The evidence for Evolution.

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Why isn't "I Don't Know" a valid response? are you biased against that?

That said, Let's go with your version of biased for a second... Where did this "someone" come from? Where was this "someone" standing? what was this "someone" wearing? How does this "someone" live/exist before creating this universe? Exactly how did this "someone" go about creating the universe, was there source material? So many more unanswerable questions are created by this classical non-answer...

Also, you didn't answer my question, What's your bias? I'm interested to know still.

You do understand that if there is "stuff" today...there is the need for an uncreated creator to make the "stuff".
It is well understood that "stuff" can't self create itself from nothing. As they say, you can't be and not be at the same time.

 

[Paul Finch]

You do understand that if there is "stuff" today...there is the need for an uncreated creator to make the "stuff".

We all understand the "special pleading" needed to keep your religion going, everything "Must" have a cause 'Except' for your God because that's the only way your religion can be made to work, "nothing can come from nothing" except of course your God.
The best part of it is you all keep straight faces when you are saying it.

 

[-57]

We all understand the "special pleading" needed to keep your religion going, everything "Must" have a cause 'Except' for your God because that's the only way your religion can be made to work, "nothing can come from nothing" except of course your God.
The best part of it is you all keep straight faces when you are saying it.

Special pleading? Really?
OK, Paul Finch.....where did "stuff" come from? Can you explain it with out your own form of special pleading?

 

[AV1611VET]

We all understand the "special pleading" needed to keep your religion going,

Hi, consol.

everything "Must" have a cause 'Except' for your God because that's the only way your religion can be made to work,

It's called the law of cause-and-effect ... basic physics.

"nothing can come from nothing" except of course your God.

Except, of course, you're wrong.

Where did the earth come from, according to "our religion"? the stars? the planets? energy? light? the moon?

Any idea?

Does creatio ex nihilo ring a bell?

If so, do you know what it means? especially the "ex nihilo" part?

The best part of it is you all keep straight faces when you are saying it.

That's right.

We all keep straight faces when saying it.

Unless we're shouting AMEN! PREACH IT! when our pastor is preaching on creationism.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you explain it with out your own form of special pleading?

No.

 

[-57]

Can you explain it with out your own form of special pleading?

No.

I can't wait to here where the stuff of the Big Bang came from without special pleading.

It's one thing to critize a group of people for "special pleading" ...but Paul Finch really shouldn't do that when his creation event requires "special pleading"

 

[Speedwell]

That won't happen.

Instead, they'll send the government to remove the Bible and prayer from our schools....

So make your case: why should there be Fundamentalist Protestant prayer and Bible study in the public schools?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

This 'someone' ... (won't say His name, will you?) ... is self-existent.Wherever He wanted to stand.Whatever He wanted to wear.I don't know.By speaking it into existence ex nihilo.No.Then ask them.

Let's see how much you don't know, and I'll do my best to assist you.I'm a Christian by election and a Baptist by conviction.

Problem is, none of the evidence supports your religion and much of the evidence we do have for the reality we experience contradicts your literal interpretation of your holy text. Belief isn't a choice. If I were to believe gravity doesn't exist, It'd still be absurd for me to leap off a tall building & expect not to fall. Everything you've said here is without foundation, and I don't have a choice to just wish it were different.

 

[AV1611VET]

So make your case: why should there be Fundamentalist Protestant prayer and Bible study in the public schools?

I'm not familiar with 'Fundamentalist Protestant prayer'.

What we call the "prayer formula" is praying through the Spirit, to the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[AV1611VET]

Problem is, none of the evidence supports your religion ...

You couldn't be more wrong; and it's interesting that you brought up gravity, because I use gravity as an example of physical evidence for the existence of God.

Just as gravity can't be seen, but its effects can be observed; God can't be seen (He's invisible), but His effects can be observed.

Effects such as churches, the Bible, martyrs, songs, iconography, bumper stickers, slogans, organizations, debates, videos, movies, holidays, time divided into BC/AD and the like, all attest to the existence of God.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

So make your case: why should there be Fundamentalist Protestant prayer and Bible study in the public schools?

Or muslim prayers? Or Buddhist prayers? Or Hindu prayers? Or Atheist . uh . . . declarations?

 

[Speedwell]

I'm not familiar with 'Fundamentalist Protestant prayer'.

What we call the "prayer formula" is praying through the Spirit, to the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.

Call it what you like. Make the case for it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Don't take that too much for granted. What you believe about the Bible is considered strange even by the (non-YEC) Christian community and absolutely bizarre by everyone else.

It is granted. Pretend all day long that creationism is becoming nonexistent or "strange" if you like but it is as alive and well as the Bible that teaches it, and always will be to those who believe Gods word.

You are wrong. I don't say that about your own personal religious beliefs, which I would never try to talk you out of.

You don't say what about my beliefs?

But you really are wrong about science and what it claims. Whether the theory of evolution is right or wrong, you really ought to know what it says. This is a serious problem for Creationists in general and much of their negative image is attributable to it.

Wrong about science, nope, not at all, science is perfect and it claims nothing. People on the other hand, are not and they make the claims, false claims as in claiming their assumptions equate to fact. I wish you people would stop trying to make us believe it's science that says anything.

Trying to talk you out of your false beliefs about the theory of evolution is not the same as trying to talk you out of your own religious beliefs.

Of course it is, but if you don't get the obvious connection and you clearly don't because you made such a ridiculous statement, I don't know what to tell you.

That one was as out there as your first comment that my religion is strange...just flat out untruthful.

 

[AV1611VET]

Call it what you like. Make the case for it.

Make what case for it?

Scientific methodists want it out of school.

Case closed.

 

[Speedwell]

That one was as out there as your first comment that my religion is strange...just flat out untruthful.

It's strange to me. When I first heard about YECism, my reaction was, "They believe what about the Bible??? Why?" I still don't know. Close to two billion of us around the world don't know. Believe it if you want, if it helps you get closer to Christ, but don't assume that it's the default position for Christians.

 

[-57]

It's strange to me. When I first heard about YECism, my reaction was, "They believe what about the Bible??? Why?" I still don't know. Close to two billion of us around the world don't know. Believe it if you want, if it helps you get closer to Christ, but don't assume that it's the default position for Christians.

Perhaps you would like to explain how sin and death entered the world through one man...if the earth is old and evolutionism is the means of creation.

 

[Speedwell]

Make what case for it?

Scientific methodists want it out of school.

Case closed.

What about other Christians who don't pray that way? Not to mention members of non-Christian religions. Why should they pray that way?
What about the Bible? Which version are you going to use? How are you going to interpret it to the students?

 

[Speedwell]

Perhaps you would like to explain how sin and death entered the world through one man...if the earth is old and evolutionism is the means of creation.

I have, and you just blow it off.

But that's not the point. Many Christians who reject evolution also reject your interpretation of scripture.

 

[AV1611VET]

What about other Christians who don't pray that way?

I'm sure you want their prayers out too.

Not to mention members of non-Christian religions.

Mission fields are exempt.

Why should they pray that way?

They can stand and listen to the others pray then.

What about the Bible?

What about It?

Which version are you going to use?

The 1611 King James, fifth edition.

How are you going to interpret it to the students?

Literally, for starters.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Believe it if you want, if it helps you get closer to Christ, but don't assume that it's the default position for Christians

Where did I assume it was default? I made a comment about "many" and one I will stand behind as fact....that's all. And yes, believing in Gods word does make me feel closer to him than I would if I called both his and my father/God a liar...Duh.

Are you even thinking before you make some of these comments?