The Discovery of Jesus Body - would it shake your faith?

[YoureMyBeloved]

I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to post this. I'm sorry too if this thread is offensive.

A portuguese priest was interviewed about this today. Apparently some archaeologists found His original burial place in the Holy Sepulcher and they raised the possibility of His body be found.

He said that this would not shake his faith because to him, "Ressurrection was above the idea of revival of the body. But surely it would shake the faith of millions of Christians because the Church official position is that Ressurrection is the reanimation of the body."

I'm amazed he claimed this because it's not only a claim from the church, the gospels are clear that Jesus raised in body. (the tomb was empty). Like Paul wrote, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

I even know people who say it would be a good thing because it would prove Jesus existed!

So if this happened (I don't believe it will) would it shake your faith? Would this make any difference?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Wont happen...the whole point was that the tomb was EMPTY.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I'm sorry too if this thread is offensive.

It's not "Offensive" at all, of course. Only TERMINALLY IGNORANT.

A portuguese priest was interviewed about this today. Apparently some archaeologists found His original burial place in the Holy Sepulcher and they raised the possibility of His body be found.

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"apparently" - that's the operative WORD here that immediately tells me that the post isn't worth SPIT.

I'm amazed he claimed this because it's not only a claim from the church,

It's NOT a claim from the "CHURCH" it's an IGNORANT PIPE DREAM from some "Priest thing" looking to "Make some waves", and generate notoriety for himself. NO NEED to bother with anything else in the post.

 

[John Hyperspace]

No, my faith is based on the power of the Spirit and not physical things. I read the Bible to understand spiritual truths, not literal events.

But, even if it were based on literal things, this still would do nothing since I would be of the mind, there is no possible way to prove this is the body of Jesus of Nazareth.

I shouldn't think it would shake the faith of anyone except people gullible enough to believe everything they are told without question. But then I would question this type of faith to begin with.

 

[Raggedyman]

I just can't believe a predestined would accept this so comfortably

If Christs body was found and proven I would have to walk away from my faith, yet that priests belief is so distorted, lost in the murkiness of religion he sees no issues with what he personally adds to Gods word.
How can this man be part of an orthodox Christian church

Jesus was human, Gnosticism teaches He was spirit, enter the Gnostics

 

[JackRT]

In the days and weeks following the crucifixion, the apostles and disciples returned to Galilee in shock and disbelief at what had happened. However, it gradually dawned on them that, if the life and teachings of Jesus were to have any lasting impact, it could only happen by and through them. That is equally true of us today. They and we are the true resurrection. I believe that the resurrection stories in the gospels are attempts to express this idea as an allegory.

It would not shake my faith in the least if the remains of Jesus were found. However it would greatly surprise me.

The Romans carried out an extremely harsh "justice". Crucifixion was by law reserved for only rebellious slaves and political agitators of the lowest social classes. Only the Romans were allowed this form of execution but the Jews did not lose their right to execute by stoning for blasphemy until AD 39. Pilate was severely criticized for his frequent excesses including crucifixions without trial and extreme brutality and was in fact actually removed from office for these excesses. Crucifixion was designed to be as painful and as humiliating as possible both for the victim himself and any onlookers. The victim was naked and onlookers were kept well away from the site. No one was permitted to provide any sort of comfort to the victim. Depending on the actual form of crucifixion and on the physical condition of the victim, death could take as long as a week. Burial was seldom permitted --- only one is known to history. The body was usually discarded into a shallow grave to be consumed by the carrion birds and wild dogs. Tens of thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands were executed in this way. There were several mass crucifixions --- the 6000 survivors of the slave rebellion led by Spartacus in 71 BC, the 2000 survivors of the AD 6 rebellion of Rabbi Judas, and at the seige of Jerusalem in AD 70 captured escapees were crucified at 200 or more a day.

 

[cloudyday2]

Is this what you are talking about?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/jesus-tomb-opened-church-holy-sepulchre/

What seems more likely is that they won't find anything but rubble where the slab was supposed to be. Probably the original slab was chiseled into a million pieces and sold to pilgrims like Plymouth Rock. Then the Church created the marble enclosure to hide the missing slab. Or maybe there is a slab there as there should be. IDK

 

[Radrook]

I saw a film starring the Spaniard Banderas as a priest investigating the find of what was supposed to be the bones of Jesus. When a bishop he was speaking to was convinced that they were the actual bones, the bishop courteously excused himself and said he'd be right back. Banderas waited by the Church rectory, when suddenly he saw the priest plummeting from the belfry straight toward the pavement. Some people take such things very seriously.

 

[Robban]

nm

 

[alsughasoughaiuyfygh]

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[mmksparbud]

How in the world would anyone be able to prove any buried skeleton was that of the real Jesus?? What DNA would they have to go by to prove it was His body there?? Do they have the DNA of Mary and Joseph to prove it is His body? There were other people called Jesus. He was neither the first with that name, nor the last. They may find the bones of some man named Jesus. But there was only one Jesus Christ, Immanuel, who was raised bodily and left an empty tomb. It is not possible for the bones to ever be His.

Act 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
Bar--meant son of--Barjesus was the son of a man named Jesus.

 

[Deadworm]

I believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus. But for the sake of argument, let's suppose that his body was indisputably discovered. That would raise the question of the empty tomb tradition. Some NT scholars embrace Jesus' visionary appearances to His disciples, but not His bodily resurrection.

The theory of the skeptics can be summarized like this. The Romans normally threw dead victims of crucifixion in a common grave or in a field to be devoured by dogs and other scavengers. But Jesus lay dying a couple of hours prior to the Sabbath, which begins at 6 PM on Friday. Jewish leaders objected to work on the Sabbath and didn't want Jesus' corpse to remain on the cross, thus profaning the Sabbath. So they wanted a hasty burial. Jesus' tomb was near Golgotha (John 19:42). If the traditional locations in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher be accepted, then His tomb is about 40 years away from the place of His crucifixion. Since Jesus died earlier than expected, that tomb was a convenient place for a temporary burial. Then, when the Sabbath ended at 6 PM on Saturday night, Jesus' corpse and those of the other two dying thieves could be removed and either thrown in a distant field to be devoured by scavengers or buried as a group in a pit, as was the Roman custom. The Gospels are silent about events at the tomb on Saturday night and the Gospels don't describe the specific moment of alleged bodily resurrection! When the women arrive early on Sunday morning to anoint Jesus' corpse, they find the tomb open and the body missing. They rightly assume that the body has been removed for burial elsewhere and wrongly assume that Jesus has risen bodily after they experience their Easter visions of Jesus.

How should a Christian respond to this skeptical theory? Two counter-arguments are rather weak. (1) The Risen Lord can be touched, can cook breakfast, and can display His crucifixion wounds. But visions of discarnate spirits have reported tactile contact, the ghost's possession of apparently physical artifacts, and group witness of the ghost's presence. So this argument is inconclusive. (2) The angelic interruption of the Roman guards posted to guard the tomb might be cited in support of Jesus' bodily resurrection (Matthew 27:52-66: 28:7-9). But skeptical scholars dismiss this report as a convenient apologetic legend invented to refute the notion that the disciples stole Jesus' body. These scholars point out that if the guard tradition were true, another Gospel besides Matthew would surely mention it.

There are 2 more compelling reasons to reject the skeptics' theory. (1) Jesus was reportedly buried in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Sanhedrin who seems sympathetic to Jesus' message about the kingdom of God (Mark 15:42-43). True, it is only later Gospel tradition that treats Joseph as a secret disciple of Jesus (Matthew 27:17; John 19:38), but there is no good reason to dispute the tradition that Joseph buried Jesus in his own private tomb. Such a burial would remove the necessity of Roman soldiers removing Jesus' corpse for reburial. But might not Joseph himself have arranged for a only temporary burial? No, according to Jewish Torah, burying a stranger in your own tomb would render that tomb unclean and therefore ineligible as the place of your own burial.

(2) There is no evidence that Jews or Romans removed Jesus' corpse on Saturday night for reburial. The only Jewish and Roman rationalization for the empty tomb is their claim that Jesus' disciples must have stolen His body (Matthew 28:13-15). But that claim concedes their ignorance about what really happened to Jesus' corpse. If they had relocated it on Saturday night, one might expect a tradition to that effect.

 

[St_Worm2]

St. Paul tells us that any Christian's faith should be completely shaken if Jesus was truly found today, dead and buried, and rightly so.

The Fact of Christ’s Resurrection​

1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep;
7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles;
8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied. ~1 Corinthians 15
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Yours and His,
David

 

[Stillicidia]

Wouldn't think they would have actually found it, if they said they found it. Bunch of dumdum liars the lot of them.

 

[CrystalDragon]

What I find interesting is that it seems it's not confirmed where exactly Jesus's tomb was, just several candidates that it might have been. I would think it would be known 100% where Jesus was buried then resurrected from and people would make pilgrimages there.

 

[pat34lee]

So if this happened (I don't believe it will) would it shake your faith? Would this make any difference?

Of course not. The only way to know if it is
him would be for him to speak, and he will
when he returns, because he isn't dead.

If anyone ever could have proven he remained
dead, the first century Romans and Pharisees
would have done it.

 

[Soyeong]

I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to post this. I'm sorry too if this thread is offensive.

A portuguese priest was interviewed about this today. Apparently some archaeologists found His original burial place in the Holy Sepulcher and they raised the possibility of His body be found.

He said that this would not shake his faith because to him, "Ressurrection was above the idea of revival of the body. But surely it would shake the faith of millions of Christians because the Church official position is that Ressurrection is the reanimation of the body."

I'm amazed he claimed this because it's not only a claim from the church, the gospels are clear that Jesus raised in body. (the tomb was empty). Like Paul wrote, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

I even know people who say it would be a good thing because it would prove Jesus existed!

So if this happened (I don't believe it will) would it shake your faith? Would this make any difference?

It would be rather difficult to prove that it was Jesus' tomb and even more difficult to prove that a skeleton found there belonged to Jesus. Tombs were often used to store a corpse until the flesh decayed, whereupon they would be placed in bone boxes. There's is nothing that prohibited his tomb being used by someone else after he rose. However, if it could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the skeleton did belong to Jesus, then yes, it would shake my faith. I would still believe that God exists, but many of the claims about Jesus would be false. There are some who have pushed the idea that his resurrection was spiritual rather than physical, but I don't think a good case can be made for that. Jesus is one of the best attested figures in history, so any standard that would call his existence into question would call the existence of pretty much every other historical figure into question. So while it would be good if atheists had even more evidence that Jesus existed, his skeleton would reduce the fact that he existed to minor relevance.

 

[Robban]

nm

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

A lot more false deceptive visions have been reported and believed for centuries.
This would just be one more of many to deceive the multitudes.

So if this happened (I don't believe it will) would it shake your faith? Would this make any difference?

 

[CrystalDragon]

A lot more false deceptive visions have been reported and believed for centuries.
This would just be one more of many to deceive the multitudes.

False deception it may be, but keep in mind it's a hypothetical. Hypotheticals can be answered.