Can God self Terminate?

[Radrook]

John preached baptism until the ONE who was coming after him who was before him would come and really baptize

John, in an essence, declared all of Israel unclean

But the real target was all mankind. Remember, John said that Jesus was the Lamb of God who would take away the sin of The World not just Israel's.

1 John 2:2 ►
New International Version
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[Radrook]

Radrock

CHRIST came not only to "show us THE FATHER" but to model for men the exact relationship a son of GOD is supposed to have with THE FATHER who is in Heaven

Baptism symbolized a washing

And there is only ONE who washes

For us sinners it does represent a death of our former selves and a resurrection to a Christian way of life.
But please keep in mind that Jesus needed no washing of sins so his baptism, as Paul indicated, was a presentation of himself to do the will of his father. God confirmed that Jesus was the Christ by sending his holy spirit in the form of a dove and by verbally approving of him as his beloved Son.

John 1: 32
…31I myself did not know Him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that He might be revealed to Israel.” 32Then John testified, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove and resting on Him. 33I myself did not know Him, but the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’…

Luke 9:35 ►
New International Version
A voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him."

Isaiah 42:1
"Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.

Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!"

Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased."

 

[miknik5]

Radrock

CHRIST came not only to "show us THE FATHER" but to model for men the exact relationship a son of GOD is supposed to have with THE FATHER who is in Heaven

Baptism symbolized a washing

And there is only ONE who washes

But the real target was all mankind. Remember, John said that Jesus was the Lamb of God who would take away the sin of The World not just Israel's.

1 John 2:2 ►
New International Version
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

of course it applies to all men. And yet to those who were supposed to be a light to all men so that through their t antimony and witness salvation would come to all men,
even the earthly high priests before GOD were declared unclean

So who could offer up the HOLY and acceptable sacrifice and still be the HOLY and acceptable PRESIDER over the sacrifice if all those who were seen to be the closest to GOD were themselves unacceptable?

 

[Radrook]

God does not will to exist, for he is existence. If God cannot will to exist, he cannot will to not exist.

That is a very profound concept!

However, considering his personal attributes of Love, Justice, Wisdom, and his description as being blessed or happy, then there is absolutely no reason why the thought would ever occur to Him. Also, please note that humans who do terminate themselves are usually the victims of frustration due to powerlessness. God is almighty and suffers no frustrations common to his imperfect, relatively powerless creatures. So he is totally impervious to that kind of frustration-provoked thought.

Acknowledge God's Incontestable Sovereignty and Irresistible Power

2.5

That his sovereignty is incontestable, and he is the owner and absolute Lord of all.

The heavens, even the heavens are yours, Psalm 115:16(ESV) and all their hosts. The earth is yours and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein. Psalm 24:1(ESV) In your hand are the depths of the earth, and the heights of the mountains are yours also: The sea is yours, for you made it, and your hands formed the dry land. Psalm 95:4-5(ESV) Every beast of the forest is yours, and the cattle on a thousand hills. Psalm 50:10(ESV) You are therefore a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 95:3(ESV) In your hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind. Job 12:10(ESV) Your dominion is an everlasting dominion, and your kingdom endures from generation to generation: You do according to your will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay your hand or say to you, “What have you done?” Daniel 4:34-35(ESV) or “Why have you done that?”
2.6

That his power is irresistible, and the operations of it cannot be controlled.

We know, O God, that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted. Job 42:2(ESV) Power belongs to you; Psalm 62:11(ESV) and with you nothing is impossible. Luke 1:37(ESV) All authority is yours, both in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28:18(ESV) You kill, and you make alive; you wound, and you heal; and there is none that can deliver out of your hand. Deuteronomy 32:39(ESV) What you have promised you are able also to perform. Romans 4:21(ESV)
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[Radrook]

of course it applies to all men. And yet to those who were supposed to be a light to all men so that through their t antimony and witness salvation would come to all men,
even the earthly high priests before GOD were declared unclean

So who could offer up the HOLY and acceptable sacrifice and still be the HOLY and acceptable PRESIDER over the sacrifice if all those who were seen to be the closest to GOD were themselves unacceptable?

Well, Trinitarians would say that only God himself could.
Non Trinitarians would say that God sent his Son to do so.
I say whichever way he chose is OK by me.

 

[ronandcarol]

Our created human minds could not possibly imagine what our creator is capable of! His thoughts are much higher than ours.

ronandcarol

 

[Radrook]

Our created human minds could not possibly imagine what our creator is capable of! His thoughts are much higher than ours.

ronandcarol

Isa 55:
7Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. 8"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD. 9"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

One thing is for sure, his thoughts do not include self destruction. Neither do they include an approval of all the things that the clearly condemned and described as evil in both the NT and the OT. In short, he definitely has described his ways to us and we are certainly not in the dark about his personality.

Please note that the context of the higher thought of God in Isaiah is that unlike humans who tend to be unforgiving, God does forgive far more readily and is far more compassionate. the word "for" means "because" which clearly indicates that the message refers to what had been previously described.

 

[freezerman2000]

Why not?
As powerful as
God is ,self destruction should not be out of hid/hers hands.

 

[miknik5]

This is a Christian forum isn't it?

 

[miknik5]

Well, Trinitarians would say that only God himself could.
Non Trinitarians would say that God sent his Son to do so.
I say whichever way he chose is OK by me.

Only GOD could decide the acceptable sacrifice before HIM

YES you are right about that

Just as you are right that HIS WAYS are higher

 

[DingDing]

Is total self-termination or total self-obliteration within the parameters of God's abilities? Or do we conclude that no matter how he might feel concerning his own existence, He is incapable of such an act?

Are you totally stupid, or are you just being totally ridiculous? I see no other option.

 

[freezerman2000]

This is a Christian forum isn't it?

why?Should it not be?

 

[freezerman2000]

Just because someone disagrees with your personal beliefs doesn't mean that they are not believers.

 

[miknik5]

why?Should it not be?

It should be

But by the response, I had to question if we were on a Christian forum to begin with

 

[~Anastasia~]

My apologies for hurting your spiritual sensibilities.
However, please note that not everyone agrees with you that the question has no value for discussion purposes. So perhaps you should take that into consideration?

BTW
You are also glibly providing an answers without really delving deeply into the essence of what is involved. In short, your response constitutes straw man since I am not challenging any of the issues which you are vehemently defending.

Wow, Radrook, my apologies. Your response came way out of left field as far as I'm concerned.

You didn't hurt my spiritual sensibilities, I didn't actually say (or mean) that the question wasn't worth discussing (if I thought that, I simply wouldn't reply), I'm not sure why you think my answer was glib, but I do know it to be true, I have in fact delved deeply into such thought over the course of some almost 40 years, and I'm not sure what I'm vehemently defending that doesn't belong here or is wrong? (I didn't even think I was being vehement.)

I feel like I've stepped into the middle off mine field. In fact, I find such questions mildly interesting, but I do quite feel that I know the answer, which was why I replied.

I get the sense I have certainly offended you though, and I don't know why, and it wasn't my intent, so I will simply apologize.

Anyway, God be with you, and I'm sorry that I so offended you.

 

[miknik5]

wait. Let me check. Maybe this is the outreach forum?

In which case unbelievers and believers both post.

But I thought this was a Christian forum where the posters are supposed to be at least Christian.

 

[rockytopva]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

Mass can neither be created or destroyed, it merely changes form throughout the eternal ages. God is energy and light, that energy and light cannot self-terminate.

 

[miknik5]

Just because someone disagrees with your personal beliefs doesn't mean that they are not believers.

What personal belief?

That GOD will NOT nor EVER self-destruct????

 

[rockytopva]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

Mass can neither be created or destroyed, it merely changes form throughout the eternal ages. God is energy and light, that energy and light cannot self-terminate.

The energy and light is something eternal. As God is from eternity it is a concept we mortals cannot understand here on earth. Could it be that the mental E/c2 was something that was never learned and that was always with God?

 

[freezerman2000]

Wow, Radrook, my apologies. Your response came way out of left field as far as I'm concerned.

You didn't hurt my spiritual sensibilities, I didn't actually say (or mean) that the question wasn't worth discussing (if I thought that, I simply wouldn't reply), I'm not sure why you think my answer was glib, but I do know it to be true, I have in fact delved deeply into such thought over the course of some almost 40 years, and I'm not sure what I'm vehemently defending that doesn't belong here or is wrong? (I didn't even think I was being vehement.)

I feel like I've stepped into the middle off mine field. In fact, I find such questions mildly interesting, but I do quite feel that I know the answer, which was why I replied.

I get the sense I have certainly offended you though, and I don't know why, and it wasn't my intent, so I will simply apologize.

Anyway, God be with you, and I'm sorry that I so offended you.

Never apologize for your beliefs...just that you are sorry for their toes...there are several here (all across the boards) who will take it and try to take advantage of it..Christ like,huh?
Stick to your beliefs,sister!