LDS The 'beginning' of God in Mormonism

[Jane_Doe]

Nope. That's not what I believe

Now what does the CHRISTIAN believe regarding TRUE BAPTISM And what does THIS TRUE BAPTISM signify

Remember GOD scattered

And remember HE is even now gathering and building up HIS HOUSE

Now the description of a trinitarian. Since you have been so busy reading up on the different types of ignorant beliefs men have decided for themselves simply because they do not fully understand the TRUTH


Why not give an account of what the trinitarian believes and I'll let you know if I have any problems

I don't you need me to tell you what you claim to believe.

 

[NYCGuy]

Do Mormons often use Hebrew wording as you are doing now, WWA? I've never heard or seen that before.

Mormons refer to the Father as "Elohim" and the Son/Jesus Christ as "Jehovah".

"Latter-day Saints use the name Elohim in a more restrictive sense as a proper name-title identifying the Father in Heaven (see God the Father). The First Presidency of the Church has written, "God the Eternal Father, whom we designate by the exalted name-title "Elohim,' is the literal Parent of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and of the spirits of the human race" (MFP 5:26; see also Doctrinal Expositions of the First Presidency, "The Father and the Son," appendices, Vol. 4)."
http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Elohim

 

[miknik5]

[Staff edit]
The FATHER and THE SON are ONE
And there is only ONE HOLY SPIRIT

Not two.

 

[Jane_Doe]

The FATHER and THE SON are ONE
And there is only ONE HOLY SPIRIT

Not two

Yes. But the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 different persons (advocated by Trinitarian and LDS). To say that they are 1 person in three different roles is modalism, not Trinitarian or LDS.

 

[miknik5]

Yes. But the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 different persons (advocated by Trinitarian and LDS). To say that they are 1 person in three different roles is modalism, not Trinitarian or LDS.

Nope. They are not three separate and different beings.

THE SON is the fullness of THE FATHER made manifest

How did you think
HE was made manifest? By the flesh? That was simply a visible vessel so that man could "see The FATHER" but THE SPIRIT is what makes manifest the invisible GOD and that is how CHRIST showed us THE FATHER

 

[Jane_Doe]

Nope. They are not three separate and different beings.

I didn't say that they were three separate and different beings. I said that they were 3 different persons, according to Trinitarian beliefs.

 

[miknik5]

I didn't say that they were three separate and different beings. I said that they were 3 different persons, according to Trinitarian beliefs.

Nope they are not three different persons. GOD is SPIRIT. CHRIST Is the visible image of GOD

Did you think that meant the outer fleshly attributes?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Nope they are not three different persons.

Are the following sources (written by Trinitarians) incorrect then?

"The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons." https://gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html
"We believe that the one God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" http://www.christianity.com/god/tri...a-doctrine-we-barely-understand-11634405.html
"In Trinitarian doctrine, God exists as three persons" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#One_God_as_three_persons
"God in Three Persons" http://www.catholic.com/tracts/god-in-three-persons

 

[miknik5]

Probably not. More importantly did you understand that there is only ONE GOD and it is only in and through CHRIST.....and by THE ONE HOLY SPIRIT that we have access to GOD?

There aren't three

 

[Jane_Doe]

Probably not.

So they are "probably not" incorrect? What you're trying to convince me goes against what these Trinitarian sources says.

 

[miknik5]

So they are "probably not" incorrect? What you're trying to convince me goes against what these Trinitarian sources says.

Really?

I don't think so

 

[miknik5]

I don't know how to say this any better. You are going to be offended and will think I am boasting

I don't have to go backwards to the words of men. I know what I know and I know from whom I learned it

And it wasn't from men
1John 27 is TRUTH!

 

[Jane_Doe]

Really?

I don't think so

You said: "Nope they are not three different persons." (Emphasis mine)
But Trinitarian sources specifically say that they are three persons (see post 551 for list).

You are in direct contradiction to what Trinitarian sources say. You contradict the Athanasian Creed, a foundational mainstream Christian work describing the Trinity.

 

[miknik5]

Yes. But the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 different persons (advocated by Trinitarian and LDS). To say that they are 1 person in three different roles is modalism, not Trinitarian or LDS.

Any trinitarian out there want to confirm what Jane Die has said about trinitarian? hat a trinitarian believes that GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON and GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT are three different persons?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Any trinitarian out there want to confirm that a trinitarian believes that GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON and GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT are three different persons?

Try the Athanasian Creed, a foundational creed for mainstream Christianity. It reads:
"For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost.....
But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal"

 

[withwonderingawe]

Please stop answering for the above poster

Everyone here very often answers each other's questions, we all have different points of view or feel we can added to the discussion.

I do not. It is LDS beliefs that the Father/Son/Spirit are and always have been perfect.

We and I think Jane would agree believe Jesus was always perfect in his righteousness, power and authority. She simply did not think about his physical nature in her answer. There is also this concept which I living in a finite world can not grasp and that is the infinite or living timelessly.

"...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Rev 13

Well he wasn't slain at the foundation but he was considered slain, he wasn't resurrected but he was considered resurrected, I don't know how to explain that.

There is a place in the Book of Mormon where a prophet sees the finger of the Lord and then his whole body, he says;

" Because of thy faith thou hast seen that I shall take upon me flesh and blood; ....
Because thou knowest these things ye are redeemed from the fall; therefore ye are brought back into my presence; therefore I show myself unto you. Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people."

Even though this is happening several thousand of our years before Christ came it is as though it had happened. God knows the end from the beginning so it is.

In that un-explainable sense Jesus has always been perfect.

 

[withwonderingawe]

but do you see that this same (invisible) SPIRIT in HIS (visible) BODY (which HE willingly laid down) is the same SPIRIT that went to preach to those held captive in captivity and is the same SPIRIT thst returned to the lifeless vessel of HIS bidy and raised it up again?

The word 'invisible' in the Hebrew does not mean un-see-able. Moses spoke to the spirit Yahweh face to face as a man speaks to his friend. It means un-seen. Idols are seen but Israel had no idol to be seen. So, Yahweh was the un-seen God.

Yes the spirit known as Yahweh which entered the body of the baby Jesus when that mortal body died the spirit left the body and went into the spirit world to preach the gospel to those spirits held captive. After three days He then returned to his own body to raise it up.

HE, CHRIST, is a quickening SPIRIT to us but not to HIMSELF as HE (that is THE SPIRIT part of HIS being) never could spiritually die

Yes spirits can not die as in go into non-existence but it says he was made a quickening spirit.

I have a little theory all of my very own, my Mormon friends will raise their eyebrows. When Adam partook of the fruit it changed his perfect body into a mortal body, there was a physical change. The Lord/Yahweh then placed the flaming sward and the Cherubims in the way so that mankind could not eat of the Tree of Life and live forever.

It says in Rev 2
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

I believe that when Jesus entered paradise he ordered the removal of that flaming sword and Cherubims and he partook of that fruit making him a quickening spirit. Which I define as one having the power to return to a lifeless body and raise it up to life.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,

I think and it's only a working theory that we each will partake of that Tree and thus be able to return to our own bodies to raise them up.

On the other hand, this could all be just symbolic and there is no real tree but it represents the love of God. It's okay.

Even the transfiguration attests to the TRUTH that CHRIST simply covered over HIS HOLY GLORY in our covering

How so?

 

[NYCGuy]

Any trinitarian out there want to confirm what Jane Die has said about trinitarian? hat a trinitarian believes that GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON and GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT are three different persons?

The orthodox Trinity doctrine, in line with the Bible, is that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct Persons who are one God. Some would also say that the one God eternally exists as three distinct Persons. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not each other. Further, for Trinitarians, Jesus did not pray to Himself, or any of the other incorrect caricatures of the orthodox Trinity doctrine.

 

[miknik5]

The word 'invisible' in the Hebrew does not mean un-see-able. Moses spoke to the spirit Yahweh face to face as a man speaks to his friend. It means un-seen. Idols are seen but Israel had no idol to be seen. So, Yahweh was the un-seen God.

Yes the spirit known as Yahweh which entered the body of the baby Jesus when that mortal body died the spirit left the body and went into the spirit world to preach the gospel to those spirits held captive. After three days He then returned to his own body to raise it up.



Yes spirits can not die as in go into non-existence but it says he was made a quickening spirit.

I have a little theory all of my very own, my Mormon friends will raise their eyebrows. When Adam partook of the fruit it changed his perfect body into a mortal body, there was a physical change. The Lord/Yahweh then placed the flaming sward and the Cherubims in the way so that mankind could not eat of the Tree of Life and live forever.

It says in Rev 2
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

I believe that when Jesus entered paradise he ordered the removal of that flaming sword and Cherubims and he partook of that fruit making him a quickening spirit. Which I define as one having the power to return to a lifeless body and raise it up to life.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,

I think and it's only a working theory that we each will partake of that Tree and thus be able to return to our own bodies to raise them up.

On the other hand, this could all be just symbolic and there is no real tree but it represents the love of God. It's okay.



How so?

HE is "THE TREE" there from the beginning thstbis a man "EAT" of HIM he shall live

 

[miknik5]

GOD's WORD is SPIRIT

Moses did not literally and fleshly see GOD face to face

In fact man could see GOD face to face and live

But he spoke "face to face with GOD as a friend speaks to a friend because GOD knew Moses heart, HE knew who Moses was inwardly