LDS The 'beginning' of God in Mormonism

[miknik5]

I'll try to make this clear as I can. I fine people are use to hearing the Trinity concept have ust as hard of time wrapping there head round our concept as I do around the Trinity.

God the Father El is as immortal exalted and glorified man. His physical nature is made of three different parts. His intelligence which is un-created, this intelligence is placed within his spirit and his spirit is within a physical body. This is the absolute state of physical perfection. (ah-la a Trinity)

Yahweh was going through the same process, Yahweh was the spirit who moved upon the face of the waters, who appeared to Moses and spoke to him face to face. He as a spirit entered the little mortal body of the baby Jesus. This made him fully deity yet at the same time mortal. Upon his resurrection Jesus too reached this state of perfection, he said on the third day I shall be perfected.

The third member of the Godhead the Holy Ghost is yet in his spirit form at some point he will take upon himself flesh and be perfected.

And here's another LDS belief that implies that somehow no. FATHER/SON and even the ONE HOLY SPIRIT of GOD had to go through a process to reach that.....,perfection

 

[Jane_Doe]

Here's one which we do not agree on but is an LDS belief

There is no disagreement between mine and Alla27's post.

Miknik5, are you under the impression that the Holy Spirit is the same person as Christ? That is not Trinitarian beliefs or LDS. Rather, the Trinitarians on this forum would call such beliefs to be the hearsay of modulism.

 

[miknik5]

What about Christ's resurrected body? The scriptures are extremely clear that He was resurrected with a physical body of flesh. Do you find this to be unclean?

HE was never unclean! From the moment THE WORD was made flesh HE was declared HOLY and was indeed
clean. Otherwise HE could not be the spotless lamb as well as the spotless eternal high priest

True and holy and perfect flesh/true and holy and perfect SPIRIT

Change in Perfection, Will, or Course? Nope.
But His form can change. He had no body before being born of Mary, then had a mortal body, and then was resurrected with a glorified body.[/QUOTE]

there will be no other manifestation of GOD

 

[Jane_Doe]

Are you "withwonderingawe"

Please stop answering for the above poster

If you wish to have a private conversation with WWA, feel free to PM her. I will continue to answer questions on this public board.

What I was given with regards to the three beings of GOD from your LDS standpoint was some sort of backward process to "perfection"

I think you are somehow misinterpreting LDS beliefs... If you're willing to tell me where you are getting this impression I will address it.

And the HOLY ONE to be born was HOLY and declared HOLY from the beginning and humbled HIMSELF and came in our likeness so that we might be made/conformed to HIS likeness

Which can ONLY be done by HIS QUICKENING SPIRIT

Yes, this is a basic part of LDS beliefs.

 

[miknik5]

There is no disagreement between mine and Alla27's post.

Miknik5, are you under the impression that the Holy Spirit is the same person as Christ? That is not Trinitarian beliefs or LDS. Rather, the Trinitarians on this forum would call such beliefs to be the hearsay of modulism.

Are you under the impression that HE and THE FATHER are NOT...,ONE

And are you under the impression that a man is three component parts of which each of his three parts are working independently of each other? (Body, Soul and Spirit?)

 

[miknik5]

The SON who came forth from THE FATHER is not separate from THE FATHER

The FATHER is not separate from THE SON

And the HOLY SPIRIT is not separate from THE FATHER and THE SON

 

[Jane_Doe]

Are you under the impression that HE and THE FATHER are NOT...,ONE

They are ONE, yes. But they are not the same person, not even under a Trinitarian viewpoint. Both Trinitarian and LDS view points see the Father, Son, and Spirit as three different persons whom are alway co-exisitant.

 

[Jane_Doe]

The SON who came forth from THE FATHER is not separate from THE FATHER

The FATHER is not separate from THE SON

And the HOLY SPIRIT is not separate from THE FATHER and THE SON

Yes. But the Father is NOT the Son. And the Son is not the Spirit. And the Spirit is not the Father. Again, they are 3 different co-exisitant persons (this is true for LDS and Trinitarian views).

 

[Jane_Doe]

May I suggest this website to help you understand the difference between the Trinity and modalism: http://www.theopedia.com/modalism

Note: this is NOT an LDS website, nor does it agree with LDS beliefs.

 

[miknik5]

They are ONE, yes. But they are not the same person, not even under a Trinitarian viewpoint. Both Trinitarian and LDS view points see the Father, Son, and Spirit as three different persons whom are alway co-exisitant.

They are ONE. and I will leave this as a mystery to...you

I know what I know and I keep EVER before me what I began in and will not go out from that TRUTH

If what you began in remains in you. You too will remain in both the FATHER and THE SON

And this is what HE promised us

Even eternal life (1 John 2)

 

[miknik5]

Do you know what you began......IN

 

[Jane_Doe]

They are ONE. and I will leave this as a mystery to...you

I've already studied this subject thoroughly, but thank you for the sentiment.

 

[miknik5]

May I suggest this website to help you understand the difference between the Trinity and modalism: http://www.theopedia.com/modalism

Note: this is NOT an LDS website, nor does it agree with LDS beliefs.

I know what I believe. I do not need your help

 

[miknik5]

I've already studied this subject thoroughly, but thank you for the sentiment.

I didn't have to. This anointing is real. I have the BEST TEACHER

 

[Jane_Doe]

I know what I believe. I do not need your help

Do you realize what you are advocating here is hearsay according to Trinitarian beliefs?

 

[miknik5]

Do you realize what you are advocating here is hearsay according to Trinitarian beliefs?

Oh no I'm not

You just don't understand

 

[miknik5]

And while you're at it please explain what a trinitarian believes

I would like to know if you even understand this

 

[Jane_Doe]

Oh no I'm not

You just don't understand

There is a possibility that I don't understand. Is this a accurate sum up of your beliefs:

God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son; and after Jesus' ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous.

That is the definition of modalism. This view denies the trinity and is viewed as a non-Christian heresy by mainstream Christianity. See: https://carm.org/modalism

 

[miknik5]

There is a possibility that I don't understand. Is this a accurate sum up of your beliefs:

God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son; and after Jesus' ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous.

That is the definition of modalism. This view denies the trinity and is viewed as a non-Christian heresy by mainstream Christianity. See: https://carm.org/modalism

Nope. That's not what I believe

Now what does the CHRISTIAN believe regarding TRUE BAPTISM And what does THIS TRUE BAPTISM signify

Remember GOD scattered

And remember HE is even now gathering and building up HIS HOUSE

 

[miknik5]

Now the description of a trinitarian. Since you have been so busy reading up on the different types of ignorant beliefs men have decided for themselves simply because they do not fully understand the TRUTH


Why not give an account of what the trinitarian believes and I'll let you know if I have any problems