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I originally posted this elsewhere, but only one person dared address it.


The above tract was first published in 1984 by Chick Publications, a company that has spent the last 40+ decades publishing material aimed at converting people towards a form of Evangelical Protestantism; most of the material is produced, in whole or in part, by Jack Chick, the founder of the organization.

In the tract, a doctor discovers that the titular character, a young girl, is somehow suffering from a persistent STD and shows other signs of having been sexually assaulted. When the doctor confronts the girl's father about this, the father confesses. In response to this discovery, the doctor informs...

...the dad that he needs to get right with God.

Legal obligations to report abuse? What legal obligations to report abuse? No, once the dad says some choice words in front of the doctor, the doctor lets the dad go home to his family. The dad confesses all, and then says that he's already asked God for forgiveness. In response, the wife and child pray to God for forgiveness for ever being angry with him.

The end.

The company was ultimately forced to chuck things down the hole 1984-style... because the tract was a liability. Neither Chick himself nor the company have, to my knowledge, ever backed down from the message presented in it. Instead, they have simply chosen to deny that it ever existed. Problem is, they published so many copies of this before yanking it that enough copies survived to the dawn of the internet age, at which point they were promptly digitized at web sites like the one above.

So...

As someone who belongs to a mainline Christian denomination, how does it feel knowing that a tract like this was published in God's name?
 

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Really man?

The person in question was going off on a tangent about how mainline Christianity is nothing but saints and angels, while we were demons and monsters because of one incident in which a minister failed to report a sexual assault case to the authorities... despite the fact that the failure to report was also a failure of his duties as a minister, as defined by church regulations.

I posted this tract in response as proof of [1] the fact that yes, people who claim to be Christian do horrible things in God's name (the assertion that started the tangent in the first place) and [2] that mainline Christianity has some skeletons in its own closet when it comes to the topic, indicating that this is an issue we both need to be working on.

The person went radio silent.
 
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http://www.fmh-child.org/Lisa.html

I originally posted this elsewhere, but only one person dared address it.


The above tract was first published in 1984 by Chick Publications, a company that has spent the last 40+ decades publishing material aimed at converting people towards a form of Evangelical Protestantism; most of the material is produced, in whole or in part, by Jack Chick, the founder of the organization.

In the tract, a doctor discovers that the titular character, a young girl, is somehow suffering from a persistent STD and shows other signs of having been sexually assaulted. When the doctor confronts the girl's father about this, the father confesses. In response to this discovery, the doctor informs...

...the dad that he needs to get right with God.

Legal obligations to report abuse? What legal obligations to report abuse? No, once the dad says some choice words in front of the doctor, the doctor lets the dad go home to his family. The dad confesses all, and then says that he's already asked God for forgiveness. In response, the wife and child pray to God for forgiveness for ever being angry with him.

The end.

The company was ultimately forced to chuck things down the hole 1984-style... because the tract was a liability. Neither Chick himself nor the company have, to my knowledge, ever backed down from the message presented in it. Instead, they have simply chosen to deny that it ever existed. Problem is, they published so many copies of this before yanking it that enough copies survived to the dawn of the internet age, at which point they were promptly digitized at web sites like the one above.

So...

As someone who belongs to a mainline Christian denomination, how does it feel knowing that a tract like this was published in God's name?
I don't like it It is troubling to me internally. I wouldn't want to be the doctor.

But you are free to be the one to cast the first stone

I however do not believe that I would join in on the stoning

What would u dk at that point? I don't know
I'd like to believe that I would tell everyone to stop and leave the man alone. But i don't know
 
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That last post doesn't appear to be on topic.
Did you forget your post. You spoke about a man who was sexually assailting his daughter who after confessing to the doctor tells the doctor that he has confessed his sin to the LORD and he returns to his home and his family. This did not seem right to you and it does not seem right to me. I am glad that I am not the doctor and that I do not have to make a decision concerning this father But if you have a better scenario feel free to share it
 
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Did you forget your post. You spoke about a man who was sexually assailting his daughter who after confessing to the doctor tells the doctor that he has confessed his sin to the LORD and he returns to his home and his family. This did not seem right to you and it does not seem right to me. I am glad that I am not the doctor and that I do not have to make a decision concerning this father But if you have a better scenario feel free to share it
The doctor's only ethical choice is to immediately alert the authority's. It is simple.
 
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The doctor's only ethical choice is to immediately alert the authority's. It is simple.
it is simple for you? But it is not simple

The woman caught in adultery.
It was simple for them also
 
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it is simple for you? But it is not simple
Reporting of any suspicions of abuse (let alone confirmed abuse) is a mandatory requirement of any medical license. Failure to report is grounds for imitate revocation of your medical license. This for protection of all involve: the doctor, the perpetrator, and especially ANY children.

Yes it is simple.
 
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Reporting of any suspicions of abuse (let alone confirmed abuse) is a mandatory requirement of any medical license. Failure to report is grounds for imitate revocation of your medical license. This for protection of all involve: the doctor, the perpetrator, and especially ANY children.

Yes it is simple.
Okay. On to the next scenario. A man rapes a virgin and wants to marry her

What is the rules of society regarding this situation?
 
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Okay. On to the next scenario. A man rapes a virgin and wants to marry her

What is the rules of society regarding this situation?
If you want to start a thread talking about a different question, you're welcome to. This thread is about the "Lisa" track.
 
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If you want to start a thread talking about a different question, you're welcome to. This thread is about the "Lisa" track.
No I want to discuss this situation because the issue here isn't this supposed scenario it is the personal offense of unbelievers because a known believer (in this situation the doctor) has to factor in GOD's SOVEREIGNTY in all things and is forced to make a decision which will not misrepresent GOD and it is no longer as simple as it would have been if he were simply an unbeliever

And unbelievers were offended personally

Just as you are
 
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Would you like tthe discuss the story of Dinah?

Or should we avoid it altogether?

Who misrepresented GOD in the story of Dinah?

The sons who claimed to know GOD
Or the sons who were hoping to know HIM?

Abraham told his sons that they had made him a stench in the nostrils of all these people.

Do you think Abraham thought his sins represented GOD

Or misrepresented HIM
 
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No I want to discuss this situation because the issue here isn't this supposed scenario it is the personal offense of unbelievers because a known believer (in this situation the doctor) has to factor in GOD's SOVEREIGNTY in all things and is forced to make a decision which will not misrepresent GOD and it is no longer as simple as it would have been if he were simply an unbeliever

And unbelievers were offended personally

Just as you are
This thread is about the "Lisa" track.

If you want to talk about Rahab, Esther, Judith, or anything else, you're start a new thread.
 
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If you want to start a thread talking about a different question, you're welcome to. This thread is about the "Lisa" track.
Thank you for giving me permission to start another thread. I am content in my understanding that I am not off topic But I appreciate your directives.
 
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a man rapes a virgin and then wants to marry her.

What is the simple solution?
It doesn't matter what he wants. He committed a crime he has to go jail. It should be consequence. It is that simple.
 
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