The Real Presence-the Eucharist

[Root of Jesse]

Please demonstrate how you know the hearts of "every" Christian prior to 1500's.

Please demonstrate where I said I knew every Christian 'heart'?

Demonstrate this is true with Biblical evidence.

At the Last Supper Jesus held out a piece of bread and said "This is my body." You're welcome.

Again, demonstrate how Jesus disciples believed this from the Bible.

Um, they ate it. It's a passover meal. I'm quite sure they didn't understand it. But they were taught it.

It has nothing to do with Protestants being right. It is whether or not you believe the Bible is the sole infallible rule of faith and is the word of God. [Sola Scriptura]

We don't believe the Bible is the sole infallible rule of faith. But I believe there's a lot of Protestants who disagree with your definition of Sola Scriptura.

This sentence does not make sense. What is "mission out"?

Missing out. Sorry for the typo.

Scripture twisting at it's finest on your part.



What do you mean when you say "agreed on"? Are you saying that the Eucharist is the only thing that is different between Roman Catholicism and Protestantism (or the only important difference)? If this is the case, you would be very mistaken.

Basically, I'm saying exactly that. When we get our terms right, we really agree on most things.

 

[Goatee]

So sorry but things continue to be par for the course.

It will only change after the Great Tribulation when Yeshua establishes His 1,000 year reign: Empire No. 9 (Nothing to do with Star Wars)

But many will suffer the first and second death.

Some will govern with Yeshua for the 1,000 years and will not suffer the second death.

HOW ABOUT YOU?

What about you buddy?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Nor is it found in the Bible.

False. John6 and 1 Corinthians. http://www.justforcatholics.org/a39.htm

 

[Root of Jesse]

Interesting thought, if the RCC had ever been the only source for anything. The interesting flip side to that thought is the non-RCC believers were actually the true Church the RCC has never been able to destroy it.

Riiiight. So the universal Church is not the universal Church, and those who don't agree with the universal Church aren't really outsiders, but insiders. I get it. Thanks.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Root of Jesse - The evidence is pretty strong that the Roman part of the Christian world believed in the Real Presence in the very Early Church. However, the Didache is believed to have been composed in Syria. It is possible that the Early Church in Syria and maybe in other areas in the East, did not have the same solid belief in the Real Presence that seems to have been present in Rome and maybe elsewhere in the West, since the Didache is not at all clear regarding the subject. I am not saying that you are wrong. I am just saying that it is possible that the doctrine of the Real Presence gradually became a universally held view, but that it might not have been a universally held doctrine in all parts of the Christian World in the 1st century. Actually, if my hypothetical thesis is correct, the doctrine might have become a universal one eventually because of the honor given to the Church of Rome? Though, even with said honor, that still does not necessarily mean that the RCC view of the Bishop of Rome is right and that the EOC view is wrong.

I would agree with you, if you're saying that the doctrine became more completely understood as time went on, that the doctrine was there, and became deeper as the Church grew.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Please notice, Jesus didn’t say divine flesh. I think his point is, his natural flesh and blood is not the point, the spirit is that is transmitted through his words.

Right. He was speaking of human flesh, but His flesh is divine, was divine. Therefore, he wasn't speaking of Himself.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Do you comprehend her answer, let alone the bolded sentence?

" Then these latter, assuming such to be the case with regard to the practices of Christians, gave information regarding it to other Greeks, and sought to compel the martyrs Sanctus and Blandina to confess, under the influence of torture, [that the allegation was correct]. To these men Blandina replied very admirably in these words: “How should those persons endure such [accusations], who, for the sake of the practice [of piety], did not avail themselves even of the flesh that was permitted [them to eat]?” "

Had the martyrs agreed it was flesh, as you believe, they would not have been martyred. Get it?

Question is, do you?

 

[amadeois]

Read Steve Ray?
Who is Steve Ray?

I just read what God inspired. The best seller of all times.

The best writer, my God that has been guiding me through life because I asked him and He did and is still doing it.

He answers on His time, so be patient.

Why don't all of us, ask Him to enlighten us on this subject and we get the right answer once and for all such as He did with all the animal sacrifices?

I'll pray today tomorrow night because we need to prepare for Him to listen to us:

1. Don't eat the whole day, aflict your souls.

2. Dress in your most humble clothing, holes in it and we'll worned.

3. Ashes on your head.

4. Four on the floor, with your face to the ground on the most HUMBLE manner you could be.

5. Adore Him.

6. Thank Him.

7. Then petition for His "WISDOM" to enlighten our minds to understand His message and the truth about this subject.

ANYONE SUBSCRIBES TO DO THIS WITH ME?

 

[amadeois]

Correction:
not today but tomorrow because I already ate.

You can only drink fluids: water (H2O) only. Alcoholic veberages are not included.

COULD WE ALL TOGETHER PRAY FOR THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF BICKERING HERE?

 

[amadeois]

Could I get some Amens?

 

[Goatee]

Correction:
not today but tomorrow because I already ate.

You can only drink fluids: water (H2O) only. Alcoholic veberages are not included.

COULD WE ALL TOGETHER PRAY FOR THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF BICKERING HERE?

I dont see any bickering buddy. Just Christians doing the usual banter!

We all love Jesus. Thats the most important thing my dear friend.

 

[rturner76]

I think the Eucharist can be summed up by it's old description it's a "Mystery" and can't be fully comprehended. Just like God can't be fully comprehended by any human mind on Earth. That is one of the reasons if not the main reason why we need Jesus. Christ makes God accessible to us and on a daily basis, if we wish to partake, Christ has physically made himself available to us.

Frankly, I am surprised at the lack of respect for the Catholic Church. Even when I was Protestant, I still respected the Catholic and Orthodox Church as the first church. When someone starts calling the church set up by the Apostles, built on the blood of the Martyrs the beast in Revelation, I have to wonder what are these new denominations? Who is setting them up? Why are they taking aim at the one true Holy and Apostolic Church? Could it be that THEY are decieved and are working for the forces of darkness? I mean I can't see why anybody would want to drive people out of church. The ancient one at that. The church that put together the council that voted on the Biblical Cannon of the Old and Mew Testament. There is so much knowledge in there. Well I think we all know that, I'm just saying. The Church of the Apostles is right here still with us 2000 years later. I'm pretty sure God had something to do with that. We still get his Eucharist and it;s amazing I think.

 

[Goatee]

I think the Eucharist can be summed up by it's old description it's a "Mystery" and can't be fully comprehended. Just like God can't be fully comprehended by any human mind on Earth. That is one of the reasons if not the main reason why we need Jesus. Christ makes God accessible to us and on a daily basis, if we wish to partake, Christ has physically made himself available to us.

Frankly, I am surprised at the lack of respect for the Catholic Church. Even when I was Protestant, I still respected the Catholic and Orthodox Church as the first church. When someone starts calling the church set up by the Apostles, built on the blood of the Martyrs the beast in Revelation, I have to wonder what are these new denominations? Who is setting them up? Why are they taking aim at the one true Holy and Apostolic Church? Could it be that THEY are decieved and are working for the forces of darkness? I mean I can't see why anybody would want to drive people out of church. The ancient one at that. The church that put together the council that voted on the Biblical Cannon of the Old and Mew Testament. There is so much knowledge in there. Well I think we all know that, I'm just saying. The Church of the Apostles is right here still with us 2000 years later. I'm pretty sure God had something to do with that. We still get his Eucharist and it;s amazing I think.

Well said. A well written post

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Correction:
not today but tomorrow because I already ate.

You can only drink fluids: water (H2O) only. Alcoholic veberages are not included.

COULD WE ALL TOGETHER PRAY FOR THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF BICKERING HERE?

Most humans according to the Bible will not inherit eternal life because they reject the truth. The ecumenical movement of today is not what the Lord wants as it requires that you put aside you doctrinal differences. If they are the truth why would you put them aside to reside with the lost?

Matthew 7:13-14 [Full Chapter]
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I have seen much rejection of the truth and the spewing of falsehoods on this site. So if the majority are following a teaching that is backed only by tradition and man, I will not follow.

You all might learn from what Jesus said.
Matthew 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

 

[amadeois]

@Root of Jesse

The old known world but not to God.

To God the world is what He created, not what you think.

Like people believe that Columbus discovered America.

People were already here from the earlier times. People came and said: "Oh I discovered it."

What a bunch of fools they were.

ARE WE ALSO FOOLS?

 

[amadeois]

Par for the course.

Answering a question with another question because they know how to answer?

I suppose that is their style.

 

[amadeois]

@Original Happy Camper

I understand about the blind people. They will never see because they haven't ask Yeshua to see the light.

They need to buy the eyesalve from Yeshua and I wonder if they know what is it.

Are you still an "Original Happy Camper" and what is the meaning of it?

Thanks and may God bless you and all of us.

Peace brothers not buddies.

 

[amadeois]

@Root of Jesse

I'm sorry sir, by your answers it seems you are totally blind.

Go and find out what is "to buy eyesalve from Jesus."

Do yo know where to look for?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

@Original Happy Camper

I understand about the blind people. They will never see because they haven't ask Yeshua to see the light.

They need to buy the eyesalve from Yeshua and I wonder if they know what is it.

Are you still an "Original Happy Camper" and what is the meaning of it?

Thanks and may God bless you and all of us.

Peace brothers not buddies.

I was the HappyCamper on another site when like you got booted by mistake. When I came back online they had let somebody else use the name, so I added Original to it.
Happy Camper means to me that all is well no matter what satan throws at me I am secure in the arms of Jesus. Just camping out here in this sinful world till our Saviour Jesus Christ Returns to take us Home.

 

[Philip_B]

What about Anglo Catholics? I really dont see how you can deny their Protestantism, given what they were historically protesting.

I have a problem with this statement. Anglicans broadly would describe their position as Catholic and Reformed and the autocephalus nature of the Church arose more precisely through a political mechanism - the act of supremacy was not about doctrine. As the Church developed they sought to embrace what was good in the Continental Reformation and preserve the sacred and holy tradition of the Church in which they stood.