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This also applies to real life as well. I feel rejected everywhere I go, internet and real life.

I bet that you feel pretty bad and you need to sort it out. It can get better, or it can get worse. If you cannot succeed, it can still be a controlled descent. You should be aware of how power and control work in your life. However, be good. Even if it will not benefit your own feeling, Jesus said there would be a harvest. Good people will notice. God love them. You won't want to let them down! The best shot at this life is a straightaway. In other words, "make straight your path". People know what they are doing. Become the righteous. People must know what to value, don't they! Turn yourself inside out, "clean house", and fill your life with outwards duties. If you do, you will come into a place of fearlessness and find yourself useful.
 
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In my humble opinion this is the biggest mistake you could ever make brother, precisely what the enemy would want you to do. Stick your head in the sand take all God's good just for yourself and don't care about the lost and dying all around.

If you decide to do this for a time - like 40 day in the desert - or 3 1/2 years - for rebirth - very good even! Paul spend 14 years studying the Word before he felt strong enough to go out and teach the good news, however he was unmarried and had no other obligations in life.

It is very true that spending time in meditation with the Lord is best done when we are on our own and in seclusion from outside influence. However only for building us up in right - and taring us down in wrong. So when the beams have been removed out of our eye why should it still be difficult to work and live among lost sinners?

Think past yourself brother as things are now, please don't get stuck with yourself as is. Your liberation must be complete for it is for freedom that Christ has set us free.

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Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.
You ask me why? With respect brother, why is it so hard for you to sleep? Why is it hard for any of us? I cannot tolerate the things I mentioned because they are not pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness...

They are not those things you mentioned.
 
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I try to do right, I see darkness all around me. I see it in politics, religion, and myself too.
All i want is the Lord, because only He is unstained by this world. Who else wants Christ alone? Anyone? Is it just me? Am i alone? Away with theology and politics. I only want the Lord who alone is truth.
 
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The world is divided into religious and political factions. Only one answer is right. Christ alone. You cant have it any other way. Christ alone. Is there anyone who would say amen? Do we prefer war or peace? I want peace and my soul longs for others who would beat their political and religious swords onto plows and pruning hooks.
 
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There are people whos only interest is proving their denomination or political party is the way. Then you have poor wretched people like myself, who desires only the Lord, because He is all they have. The audacity of such a person! To find hope where there was none, such arrogance. To cling to the Lord despite having nothing, such foolishness and pride!
 
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The world is divided into religious and political factions. Only one answer is right. Christ alone. You cant have it any other way. Christ alone. Is there anyone who would say amen? Do we prefer war or peace? I want peace and my soul longs for others who would beat their political and religious swords onto plows and pruning hooks.

You ask me why? With respect brother, why is it so hard for you to sleep? Why is it hard for any of us? I cannot tolerate the things I mentioned because they are not pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness...

They are not those things you mentioned.

Of course I agree with you that bad is no good and long for its demise. I wasn't responding to that, I was responding to you wanting to hide away and turn your back on them all.

It is because you keep seeing sin and respond to it in a negative way - producing fruit that doesn't taste nice. Thorns and thistles and things like that not good life which sustains you. Though it does drive you back to Christ in the end time and again so that is really good.

With respect to my problem sleeping. This is a medical problem caused by the trauma the sins others committed against my life. Not only did my attackers hurt me badly on that dreadful day so many years ago, satan made sure the wrong will keep doing wrong for as long as I live, or at least modern knowledge of P.T.S.D has confirmed such a fate.

This is why I can't sleep apparently. Trauma memories and body memories causing stress and high levels of adrenaline which don't allow me to sleep peacefully.

However look what Jesus did? He has used my times awake for good and taught me to pray for others who are hurting and stuck with the lies ruling all around. The more bad life kept me awake the more I will pray, serve that creep right, for harming me that way.

However is it so hard to pray - forgive them Father for they do not know what they are doing - while these poor brothers and sisters crucify you publicly? This is what I see you doing brother, you hurt their wrong so much but why are you just hurting that, and then you want to withdraw and stop being able to give loving support to others hurting the wicked.

So please brother don't get me wrong I'm not criticizing you but trying to point out to you that other peoples wrongs can be turned to produce exclusively good and don't just have to hurt you as they so often do.

I'm sorry if I offended you doing that, that was not the reason I wrote to you what I did. I love and respect you and love the contribution you make in praying for other people and supporting them with your testimony of God's good. I would hate it if you took off again because of the sins of others and we would miss out on you here on the forums because of that. It has happened before and I and I'm sure others missed your love and wisdom a lot.

Be comforted brother, Jesus overcame all wrong doing and has His Victory ready awaiting you in this part of your life as well.
 
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Of course I agree with you that bad is no good and long for its demise. I wasn't responding to that, I was responding to you wanting to hide away and turn your back on them all.

It is because you keep seeing sin and respond to it in a negative way - producing fruit that doesn't taste nice. Thorns and thistles and things like that not good life which sustains you. Though it does drive you back to Christ in the end time and again so that is really good.

With respect to my problem sleeping. This is a medical problem caused by the trauma the sins others committed against my life. Not only did my attackers hurt me badly on that dreadful day so many years ago, satan made sure the wrong will keep doing wrong for as long as I live, or at least modern knowledge of P.T.S.D has confirmed such a fate.

This is why I can't sleep apparently. Trauma memories and body memories causing stress and high levels of adrenaline which don't allow me to sleep peacefully.

However look what Jesus did? He has used my times awake for good and taught me to pray for others who are hurting and stuck with the lies ruling all around. The more bad life kept me awake the more I will pray, serve that creep right, for harming me that way.

However is it so hard to pray - forgive them Father for they do not know what they are doing - while these poor brothers and sisters crucify you publicly? This is what I see you doing brother, you hurt their wrong so much but why are you just hurting that, and then you want to withdraw and stop being able to give loving support to others hurting the wicked.

So please brother don't get me wrong I'm not criticizing you but trying to point out to you that other peoples wrongs can be turned to produce exclusively good and don't just have to hurt you as they so often do.

I'm sorry if I offended you doing that, that was not the reason I wrote to you what I did. I love and respect you and love the contribution you make in praying for other people and supporting them with your testimony of God's good. I would hate it if you took off again because of the sins of others and we would miss out on you here on the forums because of that. It has happened before and I and I'm sure others missed your love and wisdom a lot.

Be comforted brother, Jesus overcame all wrong doing and has His Victory ready awaiting you in this part of your life as well.
Maybe their fruit doesnt taste good. Why then should I need to eat it? Who says I must? I don't see paul taking it on the chin. He wished people to castrate themselves. Am I not allowed to be angry too?
 
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Life is cruel. Being strong enough to carry ones crosses can be almost impossible!

I am going through a rough patch myself. Got to focus on God. Offer up your pains to God, with deep love for him.

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Maybe their fruit doesnt taste good. Why then should I need to eat it? Who says I must? I don't see paul taking it on the chin. He wished people to castrate themselves. Am I not allowed to be angry too?

Of course that is precisely what I'm saying their fruit is no good why are you eating it? It is making you sick time and again. For you keep looking at sin and the harm and hurt it is causing and not at what is really going on inside of you.

Can you change other people? Can you let God's love transform you where bad produces good instead of more bad?

So of course you can wish death to the wicked any time but please, please remember the hearts they captivate! Be a high priest for God's people and atone with Christ's blood as He atone you with His. Paul was very aware of this. Placing himself right on the bottom as one of The Lord's because of his former association with such folks. Also read Romans 11 for example to get an idea how such salvation works itself out in the end.

We have to get rid of judgment brother, not keep bringing it down to this earth. God did that once and fro all remember? Please consider each time again new denominations and groups of Christians have sprung up in rebellion to the religious masters of the day, they based their new faiths on the judgment of those they left and promptly end-up doing worse things than those people they accused when they left. Just read history brother it is full judgment.

So I know that evil living in human hearts stands condemned by default, I don't have to do anything more about that - it is written! This however spurs me on to pray for those people who think they are right while they still judge others outside of themselves. For the wicked got such Christians in a terrible trap, for although such brothers and sisters think they are saved themselves, they deny the salvation of others heeding the accuser of the brethren, who knows our sins the best, and not the gracious heart of God who has forgiven all (1 John 2:2,) in and through Christ.

This is where you want you brothers and sisters who are in the hands of the wicked and are living abominable lives on a daily basis to be though or not? You want the wicked to die and the righteous killed come back to life again? This is why it is so important to love our enemies and not to hate them. Though their deeds are vile and they are disfigured by wickedness and loveless sin. It is not for the wicked that we pray surely, Jesus didn't either but He still remained their Saviour though they killed Him.

This is why I feel confused that you would resist God's grace towards others when you need it so badly yourself. Why would you continue to eat sin and judgment? Other peoples even? God's grace is a much better feed brother honestly true.

Praying you see what I mean.
 
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Of course that is precisely what I'm saying their fruit is no good why are you eating it? It is making you sick time and again. For you keep looking at sin and the harm and hurt it is causing and not at what is really going on inside of you.

Can you change other people? Can you let God's love transform you where bad produces good instead of more bad?

So of course you can wish death to the wicked any time but please, please remember the hearts they captivate! Be a high priest for God's people and atone with Christ's blood as He atone you with His. Paul was very aware of this. Placing himself right on the bottom as one of The Lord's because of his former association with such folks. Also read Romans 11 for example to get an idea how such salvation works itself out in the end.

We have to get rid of judgment brother, not keep bringing it down to this earth. God did that once and fro all remember? Please consider each time again new denominations and groups of Christians have sprung up in rebellion to the religious masters of the day, they based their new faiths on the judgment of those they left and promptly end-up doing worse things than those people they accused when they left. Just read history brother it is full judgment.

So I know that evil living in human hearts stands condemned by default, I don't have to do anything more about that - it is written! This however spurs me on to pray for those people who think they are right while they still judge others outside of themselves. For the wicked got such Christians in a terrible trap, for although such brothers and sisters think they are saved themselves, they deny the salvation of others heeding the accuser of the brethren, who knows our sins the best, and not the gracious heart of God who has forgiven all (1 John 2:2,) in and through Christ.

This is where you want you brothers and sisters who are in the hands of the wicked and are living abominable lives on a daily basis to be though or not? You want the wicked to die and the righteous killed come back to life again? This is why it is so important to love our enemies and not to hate them. Though their deeds are vile and they are disfigured by wickedness and loveless sin. It is not for the wicked that we pray surely, Jesus didn't either but He still remained their Saviour though they killed Him.

This is why I feel confused that you would resist God's grace towards others when you need it so badly yourself. Why would you continue to eat sin and judgment? Other peoples even? God's grace is a much better feed brother honestly true.

Praying you see what I mean.
You're right. Its also what I have been trying to say. They are robbing Gods grace from anyone who doesn't belong to their denomination. Why do you accuse me of doing that? I promote nothing but Christ. I add nothing else. That's what they do.
 
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I'm going to go live as a hermit. I cannot tolerate this world. I don't care who becomes president, what happens to the economy, which church has fullness, what days we are commanded to worship, or who is right and wrong. In seclusion there is peace and happiness. Goodbye world of contention and chaos.

I know exactly what you mean. Just unplug. I strongly consider doing just that once my obligations in this place are done. I have considered whether it might be a retreat of sorts, putting your light under a bushel, but everyone is different and everyone needs different things. I do have experience in being alone, I am mostly alone now and I like it. I have already started unplugging to an extent, I don't watch TV to speak of, I don't play computer games as much as I once did. I am already headed that direction.

However only to be secluded isn't enough, if that is all someone is doing then that might rightly be called a retreat, even if a necessary one for some. I want to be a true monk and devote my days to prayer. I think that this does change the world, even if one cannot see it.

Such a life is not for everyone though, all that solitude sounds nice but if you aren't used to it, it is a fire. Idle minds are a devil's workshop, unless you fill that space with prayer. :)

Peace and good luck with whatever you decide. :)
 
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I know exactly what you mean. Just unplug. I strongly consider doing just that once my obligations in this place are done. I have considered whether it might be a retreat of sorts, putting your light under a bushel, but everyone is different and everyone needs different things. I do have experience in being alone, I am mostly alone now and I like it. I have already started unplugging to an extent, I don't watch TV to speak of, I don't play computer games as much as I once did. I am already headed that direction.

However only to be secluded isn't enough, if that is all someone is doing then that might rightly be called a retreat, even if a necessary one for some. I want to be a true monk and devote my days to prayer. I think that this does change the world, even if one cannot see it.

Such a life is not for everyone though, all that solitude sounds nice but if you aren't used to it, it is a fire. Idle minds are a devil's workshop, unless you fill that space with prayer. :)

Peace and good luck with whatever you decide. :)

You refer to it as hiding light under a bushel, but I see it as stepping out of the darkness that plagues this world. Using our time to abide in darkness is the devils workshop.
 
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You're right. Its also what I have been trying to say. They are robbing Gods grace from anyone who doesn't belong to their denomination. Why do you accuse me of doing that? I promote nothing but Christ. I add nothing else. That's what they do.

My dear brother why do you feel I accuse you of wrong doing? I know you love Jesus and preach only Him and not the crap others are teaching. I know you seek to love Jesus pure.

However I also see a judgmental eye in you which keeps looking at sin and judges the lost sinners stuck with such wrongs, and keeps getting you as my brother into trouble/entangled with sin.

For example I see a you, in you, who keeps pointing his finger at those who seclude themselves and regulate who is chosen and who is not. However you by judging them, especially considering they are covered by the blood of Christ confessing His Name, are placing yourself in precisely the same position as they do. You exclude them and include yourself based on what you see with your eye and hear with your ear but not through the Spirit of God's love, who longs to sanctify us of all such thinking, seeing, hearing and being like that.

Lets have a look how Paul see this; (and please have a close look at the accuser in your heart as you read this, it is him i would like to expose using Paul's words like this.)

Romans 2
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.


All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.



Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.


Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.


A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.



Now please brother don't get me wrong I know that there are terrible Christian theories out there. Just look how Christians want Christ to Come back through the use of a global nuclear Holocaust - which would make living God's kingdom on earth totally impossible - rather than Christ's Truthfully Loving Spirit to kill the wicked inside of the hearts of God's captive children through a demonstration of His loving truth in real life?

What Christ are such brothers and sisters looking for? Is it a wonder he hasn't come yet?

We want love and forgiveness and we want to repent of all loveless thinking and feeling and learn to love each other like Christ loves us - truthfully!!! 100 percent! For that is the only way we can get rid of satan out of humanity or don't you reckon?

So I hope you will forgive me if I accused you of wrong. It is great you understand that not loving truthfully is wrong and needs to be made right by the truth of Christ.

Try to imagine the horrible situation for these brothers and sisters when Christ comes and says "hi" to them? Will they not burn their callous hearts forever when they meet Him in His love for all? Please brother don't let their sin stain your heart any longer.

Get rid of judgment, honest brother, dump it. Bloody hot coals let me assure you, I spend 10 years in the great desolation a judgmental person because I wouldn't forgive those who did wrong. Honestly brother Christ brought me to my knees in the end and I wail with Him now for all His children gone astray instead of judging them. God forbid I ever judge one ever again apart of the wicked.

With brotherly love brother. I really hope I have not upset you I don't know how else to explain this to you. I have agonized your broken heart for ages already and so wish you God's healing as well.

As far as I'm concerned we want God's grace down here, not more judgment. Why crucify Christ twice?

I pray for peace.
 
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My dear brother why do you feel I accuse you of wrong doing? I know you love Jesus and preach only Him and not the crap others are teaching. I know you seek to love Jesus pure.

However I also see a judgmental eye in you which keeps looking at sin and judges the lost sinners stuck with such wrongs, and keeps getting you as my brother into trouble/entangled with sin.

For example I see a you, in you, who keeps pointing his finger at those who seclude themselves and regulate who is chosen and who is not. However you by judging them, especially considering they are covered by the blood of Christ confessing His Name, are placing yourself in precisely the same position as they do. You exclude them and include yourself based on what you see with your eye and hear with your ear but not through the Spirit of God's love, who longs to sanctify us of all such thinking, seeing, hearing and being like that.

Lets have a look how Paul see this; (and please have a close look at the accuser in your heart as you read this, it is him i would like to expose using Paul's words like this.)

Romans 2
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.


All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.



Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.


Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.


A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.



Now please brother don't get me wrong I know that there are terrible Christian theories out there. Just look how Christians want Christ to Come back through the use of a global nuclear Holocaust - which would make living God's kingdom on earth totally impossible - rather than Christ's Truthfully Loving Spirit to kill the wicked inside of the hearts of God's captive children through a demonstration of His loving truth in real life?

What Christ are such brothers and sisters looking for? Is it a wonder he hasn't come yet?

We want love and forgiveness and we want to repent of all loveless thinking and feeling and learn to love each other like Christ loves us - truthfully!!! 100 percent! For that is the only way we can get rid of satan out of humanity or don't you reckon?

So I hope you will forgive me if I accused you of wrong. It is great you understand that not loving truthfully is wrong and needs to be made right by the truth of Christ.

Try to imagine the horrible situation for these brothers and sisters when Christ comes and says "hi" to them? Will they not burn their callous hearts forever when they meet Him in His love for all? Please brother don't let their sin stain your heart any longer.

Get rid of judgment, honest brother, dump it. Bloody hot coals let me assure you, I spend 10 years in the great desolation a judgmental person because I wouldn't forgive those who did wrong. Honestly brother Christ brought me to my knees in the end and I wail with Him now for all His children gone astray instead of judging them. God forbid I ever judge one ever again apart of the wicked.

With brotherly love brother. I really hope I have not upset you I don't know how else to explain this to you. I have agonized your broken heart for ages already and so wish you God's healing as well.

As far as I'm concerned we want God's grace down here, not more judgment. Why crucify Christ twice?

I pray for peace.
My dear brother why do you feel I accuse you of wrong doing?

I'll let you answer your own question.

Here:

I also see a judgmental eye in you which keeps looking at sin and judges the lost sinners stuck with such wrongs


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Get a grip brother, I'm allowed to complain just as much as the next guy. If I'm judging lost souls, what the heck are you doing? Your words are no less judgmental than mine, and mine are no less judgmental than others are. Forgive me for suggesting we all stop judging each other by uniting in Christ alone. Forgive me for such sinful behavior!
 
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I never did this. You got me mixed up with those I'm complaining about. Its they who judge in this manner, not me. You have things twisted. Perhaps you took my sarcasm wrong?

For example I see a you, in you, who keeps pointing his finger at those who seclude themselves and regulate who is chosen and who is not.
 
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I never did this. You got me mixed up with those I'm complaining about. Its they who judge in this manner, not me. You have things twisted. Perhaps you took my sarcasm wrong?

Eating other peoples sin is just not clever brother, lets leave it at that.
 
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Eating other peoples sin is just not clever brother, lets leave it at that.
Ok, I can agree. You're right. I wished I never knew such people in the first place. I dislike religion as much as politics. Its like a deep dark pit of ugliness.
 
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