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Is it time for Donald to bow out? (MOVED)

I think Trump should:

  • Step down from the candidacy

  • Continue to run

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Well, again, he was not a nice man and he did a lot of bad things. But yes, it does not excuse her ungodly behavior. But in view of Trump's flaws, there is no comparison. He would literally end our nation as we know it. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

He is very nice man comparing to Obama or Clintons. He's done greatest things to Lybia. Hillary kill him with laughing, brought democracy. Result? Lybia destroyed. People there dying every day. Migration to Europe millions including jihadists there in western Europe. All because Qaddafi not nice???

No worry, Holy Spirit opened to me, that Hillary Clinton will win. Trump is for USA, Clinton is for satan. What you believe about Trump I understand, but he has real heart for USA country and USA people. Not Clinton. She's for bankers from abroad who own USA. But she will win in any case. She's very sick, soon will be replace with Kaine or whoever
 
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So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Current Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.
It is if they switch the ticket with someone like Paul Ryan who has shown at least some backbone and integrity going for him. Keep in mind, I've been a staunch liberal democrat my entire life. But I would INSTANTLY switch my vote to a repub ticket if he's on it. Even if he keeps Mike, the "Jelly Fish Bobble-head" Pence as VP. I would prefer he change that, too, but concessions can be part of a liberal dem's toolbox (if just for the stunned surprise factor alone).

I may not agree with all of Ryan's policy points, but I admire anyone with backbone, who stalwartly stands behind their inner principles even in the face of potential severe fallout if The Donald became president? Trump already is, let alone going to, make life miserable for his own chosen party, never mind Hillary, sniping away, slinging mud every which way--instead of running the COUNTRY to which he was elected president. His myopic personal feuds are more important to him and his overblown ego than anything, including his dignity. Nothing rolls off that giant chip on his shoulder. No one has been able to rip his focus from destroying others who dare to thwart his will. No one. And we all know it. So we know what the next four years will hold. Endless squabbling a la reality TV, as The Apprentice Goes National.

Repubs are not stupid. They know once they've distanced themselves from Trump's camp, he's going to come gunning for each and every one of them after the election, whether he's elected or not. There's no question he surely will because his history shows nothing else. They can't vote for Hillary, why bother to vote for either Johnson or Klein... so who else is it going to be? I've heard if Trump steps away from the election, the government will have to scramble to change the ticket, contacting every single state's AG to authorize the change at this point. If one says forget it? Can't do it. Also, some states have already collected their mail-in ballots. They would have to reprint them, mail them out, and redo the mail-in ballot. But would they? It would be THE most historical change in the history of US politics.

I say let him run and lose by the biggest margin any repub ever has. We all know he will blame everyone but himself. Go ahead and let him, and get on with the business at hand. Eventually he will fade into the cowardly background with all the other conspiracy theorists. All its going to take in one more character or policy damaging disclosure to push him off the edge. Hillary has nothing else left to lose now. He saw to that all by himself.

The above is what I see and have studied as certainly true, because I'm smart enough to not make judgments based on "feelings". Not even for which color socks to wear on any given day. Disclaimer: Although every effort has been made to assure the accuracy and completeness of the above information provided in this post, its author makes no express or implied warranty as to the inaccuracy, inadequacy, incompleteness, illegality, unreliability or uselessess of the content of this information.
 
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He is very nice man comparing to Obama or Clintons. He's done greatest things to Lybia. Hillary kill him with laughing, brought democracy. Result? Lybia destroyed. People there dying every day. Migration to Europe millions including jihadists there in western Europe. All because Qaddafi not nice???

No worry, Holy Spirit opened to me, that Hillary Clinton will win. Trump is for USA, Clinton is for satan. What you believe about Trump I understand, but he has real heart for USA country and USA people. Not Clinton. She's for bankers from abroad who own USA. But she will win in any case. She's very sick, soon will be replace with Kaine or whoever

No. Gaddafi is not a nice man. Here are more of his crimes.

http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.570727

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so meanwhile with the newest WikiLeaks...<br /><br />If everybody’s watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least, So, you need both a public and a private position.” Hillary Clinton<br /><br />and in a special bank speech...<br /><br />"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders," Hillary Clinton<br /><br />Essentially, she is saying America shouldn't have sovereignty. We are better off being like the European Union.<br />From this we can assume that Hillary is a globalist who cares nothing about the United States ,or the people ,who she hides her true agenda from while seeking votes.

Why ask a womaniser to step down while we allow a traitor to run?
Unless of course the womanizer has already sold us out to Russia? We will see, won't we?
 
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If possible lets us not be brainwashed by the media and actually vote for Hillary.
Remember, a vote for Hillary, is a vote for the Devil.

And you say...."but Donald said some "dirty" things, a few years ago, and now the "All Media for Hillary" is trying to use this to make you think it matters.
Well, listen...
Hillary burned her friend the Ambassador in Benghazi..
This man sent over 500 emails in a year to this woman, the sitting S of State, repeatedly asking HER for a larger and more protective force, to keep him and them safe.
She IGNORED his emails....Hundreds of them, and he was BURNED ALIVE.
And right now, a Hillary co-opt'd treaty with Iran has seriously threatened the existence of ISRAEL.
And have you noticed that the world is burning?.....And that is WHILE Hillary was "on the job" all this started.
So, before you worry too much about "Trump's dirty talk", you best pay attention to what Hillary has DONE.

wake up. !
..... until its your wives, daughters, or mothers that are attacked by those who now think such behavior which has been consistently modeled by Trump is considered perfectly okay? Don't scream too loudly in my deaf ear then, thanks all the same.

Is that the kind of country you want to live in? I DO NOT. I never have, so why start now?
 
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I see most Christians in the forum are sensible. So far, the majority are standing for Trump as they should.

Think about what the OP is saying. Should we condemn a man for something he said in private 11 years ago, about how he used to act many years before that. Really? That's what modern Christianity has come to? It's more of a commentary on the Church than on Trump.

Donald Trump is a good man by human standards, but a sinner like us all. He apologized very sincerely. Now some Christians are debating whether to forgive him (again for something 11 years ago).

I stand with Trump. He's come a long way. He's changed his view on abortion and understands the importance of a conservative Supreme Court. Don't let the liberal Christians on the forum fool you. They want Hillary. I believe people change and I believe in forgiveness.

BTW, notice none of the Trump opponents here are questioning Bill and Hillary's abuse of women. Bill's rape accuser was actually at the debate.
 
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..... until its your wives, daughters, or mothers that are attacked by those who now think such behavior which has been consistently modeled by Trump is considered perfectly okay? Don't scream too loudly in my deaf ear then, thanks all the same.

Is that the kind of country you want to live in? I DO NOT. I never have, so why start now?

Right , send you mother , wife , daughter to spend the weekend in the White House if Hillary gets elected and out of town while the "First Husband Bill decides to stay home" Bwahahaha ..
 
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I see most Christians in the forum are sensible. So far, the majority are standing for Trump as they should.

Think about what the OP is saying. Should we condemn a man for something he said in private 11 years ago, about how he used to act many years before that. Really? That's what modern Christianity has come to? It's more of a commentary on the Church than on Trump.

Donald Trump is a good man by human standards, but a sinner like us all. He apologized very sincerely. Now some Christians are debating whether to forgive him (again for something 11 years ago).

I stand with Trump. He's come a long way. He's changed his view on abortion and understands the importance of a conservative Supreme Court. Don't let the liberal Christians on the forum fool you. They want Hillary. I believe people change and I believe in forgiveness.

The thing is that he is not apologizing for what he said 11 years ago. He called it locker room talk. That is not an apology.

The 2005 recording showed Trump making vulgar comments about women, including boasting about trying to sleep with a married woman and remarking that he could "grab" women "by the ****" because "when you're a star they let you do it."

Cooper didn't mince words while characterizing the recording. Cooper said to Trump,

"You described kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals,"
Cooper continued. "That is sexual assault. You bragged that you have sexually assaulted women. Do you understand that?"

Trump was defiant. He didn't apologize or explain himself. He said it was locker room talk. As if that makes it okay.


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She should not even be in the race ... if the law was actually enforced. He is a business problem solver, very rough around the edges but not as bad as many that have been elected and labeled as Great Americans. Right now America needs a problem solver as the "business of the USA Government" is about to go under. You have a leader that has poised himself ready to become a dictator who does not want to leave office. A very corrupt Royal Family who sees Americans as scum. And a worldly businessman. Not the greatest of options but if you remove the party affiliations and look only at the candidates I know which of the three I would prefer.
 
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The thing is that he is not apologizing for what he said 11 years ago. He called it locker room talk. That is not an apology.

The 2005 recording showed Trump making vulgar comments about women, including boasting about trying to sleep with a married woman and remarking that he could "grab" women "by the ****" because "when you're a star they let you do it."

Cooper didn't mince words while characterizing the recording. Cooper said to Trump,

"You described kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals,"
Cooper continued. "That is sexual assault. You bragged that you have sexually assaulted women. Do you understand that?"

Trump was defiant. He didn't apologize or explain himself. He said it was locker room talk. As if that makes it okay...

My only embarrassment from Trump is that , Is that the best he could do on a Holly Wood set trying to fit in and be hip .. It ain't like he used a cigar in the Oval Orifice , hehehe ..
 
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No. Gaddafi is not a nice man. Here are more of his crimes.

http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.570727

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We can gather such material on Obama or Clinton or Netanyahu or whoever and even much much worse. But biggest question is, what was before Qaddafi and what is after his killing. We say, for example, that chief of police in USA is terrible monster. Let's kill him and destroy police? What happen in USA then??? Very broken logic. Just absolutely crazy. In my native language, we say, elephant in china store. He came in to "solve" problems and instead just crush everything. Delicate must be. Very delicate. Not come in and kill and destroy and say, because one person was terrible. Funny! Hypocrisy of astronomical size.

Christian must respect God and Jesus and think of all people not just one monster. Christian must think of ultimate love, not some lables that was impose by some party which has big interest. Real interest? Power, resources, geopolitics. Like chess game. All about domination in world.

President in my country is not better then Qaddafi. Dictator. Killing any opposition. Any protest - police shooted with machine guns. You say only good things about him, otherwise you risk get in prison or death. Everybody is afraid, many-many people hate him. I can write like this free only because now I'm in USA!!! From Kazakhstan, I will never never write this or I risk to take me to jail or kill. Zero democracy. Zero freedoms. So what? People very happy. Best economy in all Central Asia. Safe. Stable. Booming. 10% every year growing. USA economy growing maybe 1% in one year? Our president also crush with iron hand any ethnic conflict. We have 120 ethnics! Sometimes bad conflict happen - quickly police and army make them all peaceful, no problem... But he's now nice and friendly dictator because allowing to take oil by USA no problem! Almost all oil in Kazakhstan, very rich, belong to Shell, Chevron, to Exon etc. All American come and take our oil no problem. Good dictator!! Like Qaddafi was good until he said, I want African Dinar currency on basis of gold. Suddenly, bad dictator. Haha!

But it's dangerious game. Create death and chaos everywhere? It will come back... What you sow, you rip... God said so!
 
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I see most Christians in the forum are sensible. So far, the majority are standing for Trump as they should.

Think about what the OP is saying. Should we condemn a man for something he said in private 11 years ago, about how he used to act many years before that. Really? That's what modern Christianity has come to? It's more of a commentary on the Church than on Trump.

Donald Trump is a good man by human standards, but a sinner like us all. He apologized very sincerely. Now some Christians are debating whether to forgive him (again for something 11 years ago).

I stand with Trump. He's come a long way. He's changed his view on abortion and understands the importance of a conservative Supreme Court. Don't let the liberal Christians on the forum fool you. They want Hillary. I believe people change and I believe in forgiveness.
ACTUALLY THINK about what the OP isn't saying. Should we condemn a woman for something her husband and other women chose to do in private 20 years ago, about how he was also never convicted of many years before that. Really? This is what modern Christianity has descended into? It's more of a commentary on the Church than on Trump OR Clinton.

Donald Trump AND Hillary Clinton are BOTH sinners just like us all. They BOTH have apologized very sincerely, at least that's what they would like us to think, despite their equally consistent actions showing otherwise every time. Actions should be judged louder than words as a sign of truer fruit, correct? Now some Christians are debating whether to forgive ONE ABOVE THE OTHER (again for things that happened many years ago) for their own self-interests? How profoundly hypocritical of us to think that God would approve of such action.

If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. (Jas 2:8, 9)

I stand with NEITHER candidate (as a longtime liberal democrat), because neither deserves to be president of this great country. I stand with JESUS CHRIST, ALONE, because He is my Savior and Lord. Not my nation, not my preferred political party. Neither candidate has shown by their actions (instead of mere words) they actually fully embrace the Christian values they cultivate for their own equally self-interested agendas. Since when has God's love ever valued one person... above anyone or anything else? Trump has PUBLICLY changed his view on abortion from jailing only the woman who's had an abortion (never once equally condemning the man who got her pregnant in the first place), unlike "Christians" who still hold to the same one-sided cultural view that the "woman is responsible", believing that's how "God sees it". Yet they feel perfectly comfortable and self-righteous when they condemn Islamic countries which stone women to death for adultery--and let the man, again, go scot-free? He understands the importance of a conservative Supreme Court--because he believes he can influence the court system for HIS agenda just like every other president has done, not always for the good of the American people and history. Don't let ANYONE on this forum fool you, including yourself, because we all must some day account for our beliefs in action before a Holy God. Can we in all honesty claim we want "what's in this for the glory of GOD" instead of the greater reality of "what's in this for ME" when we choose to "forgive" one human being above another?

I believe people change and I believe in EQUAL forgiveness--for all. TRUE forgiveness, which bears the fruit of a changed heart. Not the convenience of a false forgiveness which ignores the uninterrupted history of blatant ungodly behavior toward fellow human beings. I also believe that people can be extremely misguided by their own blind spots and unrecognized agendas, and don't always speak for God just because they claim to with spiritual sounding wordage.

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! (2 Cor 13:5)

The above verse is not a holy "suggestion", but a clear COMMAND.
 
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I spoke with a woman today who said she's voting write in; Jesus Christ.

I like that.

I do too. BUT that is also a vote for Clinton as it takes away from Trump. Why not just say I am voting for Clinton????
 
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So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Curent Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.
He is a proven strong leader. He understand economics. He is tough.
 
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Qaddafi saw the light when Reagan shot down two Libyan jet fighters with only two side-winder shots then the front wall of his palace unfortunately killing his 9 yr old female guest ..

True. And other situations. Like forcing Qaddafi to agree he did bad things he didn't and pay money..

Anyways, not to be concentrated in one man!! Good or bad. We forget, Qaddafi is not only person in all of Lybia!!! There are many many other innocent people, and they suffer so much because one man is bad? What kind of logic is that? And whole region is destroyed. It's like card house. You remove one card, whole house come down. Ask those women in Kolne in Germany raped in New Year party by crazy criminal migrants.
 
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