Is not Voting a sin even if there are not Good Candidates?

[smaneck]

Let's recap for you--illegally kept a separate email server in her own home

It is not illegal to have an email server in your home.

, lied about it

Where did she lie about having a email server in her home?

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destroyed evidence

What she destroyed was not evidence but her personal emails. And they weren't permanently destroyed in any case. The FBI was able to retrieve them. Out of the 30K of emails a handful were turned out now to be personal. You try deleting 30K worth of emails and not accidentally delete something you don't mean to.

took bribes in exchange for helping to send uranium to Russia

A contribution to the Clinton Foundation, which unlike the Trump Foundation is a genuine charity is not a bribe. What is a bribe is the Trump Foundation paying 25K so an attorney general won't prosecute Trump University.

, lied to the families of consular staff in Libya about a "video" having cost their loved ones their lives

Whatever she initially said to the families, she believed. What she may have said subsequently is she said/she said. What we do know is that the mother who accused her of lying and the RNC was using a script written by someone else. When your testimony is true you don't need a script.

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efused to turn over subpoenaed evidence, lied about it

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Too vague.

made racist, sexist, and anti-Semitic remarks in the presence of her staff

Whereas Trump says that kind of thing as part of his campaign speeches.

, threatened the women victimized by her husband...

She believed her husband. What a crime. Somehow comparable to a man who like Trump who brags about victimizing women.

...do we need to go much further before deciding that, yes, it's relatively easy to find someone "less righteous" than "a guy who?"

With Trump we could do a lot further.

 

[Vylo]

I would say everyone should vote, but you should be able to write in anyone and have it be valid. So if people wanted to start a write in campaign for Cruz, Rand, Sanders, etc., they could.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I would say everyone should vote

In the usa I guess you mean, right?
It hasn't made any [good] difference in over 100 years, so why vote ?

 

[Vylo]

In the usa I guess you mean, right?
It hasn't made any [good] difference in over 100 years, so why vote ?

Anywhere you can vote you should.

It has made plenty difference here. Our country could have gone in radically different directions if we had different leaders in different positions.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Anywhere you can vote you should.

No.
My citizenship is not like yours.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It has made plenty difference here. Our country could have gone in radically different directions if we had different leaders in different positions.

Really.
It's gone from bad, to worse, to very bad, to worse again.

 

[Vylo]

No.
My citizenship is not like yours.

You are not a US citizen?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly ...
biblehub.com/philippians/3-20.htm - Cached - Similar
For our[ecclesia; born again ones] citizenship exists [now] in the heavens, from whence also we are awaiting a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, New American Standard Bible

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Franklin Graham, during his Decision America Tour 2016, has repeatedly said, “I want to challenge Christians to boldly live out their faith and to pray for our nation and its leaders. I want to encourage Christians to get out and vote, and to cast their ballots for candidates who uphold biblical principles.”

If Biblical values is the criteria then Franklin should realize there is no one to vote for.

 

[Vylo]

Really.
It's gone from bad, to worse, to very bad, to worse again.

Many things have gotten better. We have our challenges, but there were many awful things going on in the past. People often have rose colored lenses they look at the past through. The world was a much more terrible place in the past.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The world was a much more terrible place in the past.

That's not what the martyrs have seen.
Nor what THE BIBLE SAYS.
(you don't have to believe; that's your choice)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If Biblical values is the criteria then Franklin should realize there is no one to vote for.

No. If Biblical values is the criteria, he wouldn't have done what he did for many years. (can't bring it up on this forum; do simple internet search to find out)
But, yes, similarly, there is no one to vote for for ecclesia; it's a whole different system than the BIBLE describes for us/them[Believers].

 

[createdtoworship]

Do you really believe that God wants to give your vote to the ungoldy - those in open rebellion against Him?

do you think that by not voting, a second most liberal and thus most wicked person in the history will be elected?

you can't get out of voting.

it's not an option,

so either fix trump , or fix hillary in your mind.

one of the them will be president,

probably hillary at this point.

 

[Inkfingers]

do you think that by not voting, a second most liberal and thus most wicked person in the history will be elected?

you can't get out of voting.

it's not an option,

so either fix trump , or fix hillary in your mind.

one of the them will be president,

probably hillary at this point.

One of them will be president.

Neither of them deserve the support of Christians.

Vote for neither - our job is to evangelise the world, not lend our support to the vile and vulgar.

 

[createdtoworship]

Really? And who is less righteous than a guy who goes around bragging about assaulting women and trying to jump into bed with married women when he himself has been married only a few months?

no assaults by trump, that is a red herring.

verbal annotations were given. And innappropriate ones.

but hillary has broken dozens of federal laws and swept it under the carpet.

it's actually eery how silent everyone is on Hillaries past.

it's truly sad.

and the fact they are focusing on little off the record jokes etc, that trump has said, again while off the record.

who cares.

someone coming from a non politcal office to a political one this will be the case.

but what disturbs me more is where they got the info.

and what money they used to get the info, and if it was legal.

 

[createdtoworship]

One of them will be president.

Neither of them deserve the support of Christians.

Vote for neither - our job is to evangelise the world, not lend our support to the vile and vulgar.

christians are required to vote, the choice is yours.

but remember every vote that is not for trump will go to hillary.

because hillary has not lessened in support, only strengthened.

but what we can do is steal hillaries votes.

and that is what needs to happen, so I reposted a thread called hillary the career criminal to get some more of this info out.

the media wont do it.

and america has news as their digital God will not do their own research, and need to be spoon fed it by the media...

is sad.

so check out that forum as well.

 

[Inkfingers]

christians are required to vote

Source please.

but remember every vote that is not for trump will go to hillary.

So what? They are both a pair of crooked degenerates. Would you prefer to be eaten by a lion or a shark?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

christians are required to vote, the choice is yours.

Y'SHUA and YHWH'S WORD never indicated any support for staying in the enemy's politic. Y'SHUA came and said "turn to YHWH'S KINGDOM - seek YHWH" and
"MY KINGDOM is not of this world"
so why would [Christians] following Y'SHUA do what HE did not do nor endorse ?

 

[RDKirk]

One of them will be president.

Neither of them deserve the support of Christians.

Vote for neither - our job is to evangelise the world, not lend our support to the vile and vulgar.

With all the GOP significant members going on public record withdrawing their endorsements from Trump--but with Christian significant members holding fast--it looks like Trump is not the so much the Republican candidate as the Christian candidate.

That means if Trump does win, those Christians will have tied the Church to everything he does in office...or even out of office, since they have made the claim that Trumps values are Christian values.

 

[RDKirk]

someone coming from a non politcal office to a political one this will be the case.

but what disturbs me more is where they got the info.

and what money they used to get the info, and if it was legal.

I hope you feel the same way about whatever Assange has on Clinton.

Sauce good for the goose....