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Could Orthodox Churches Recognize The Pope?

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Source: Christian Today



Mark Woods – Christian Today Contributing Editor

Is the thousand-year-old breach between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches a little closer to being mended?

Given the history of suspicion, hostility, political game-playing and theological intransigence that has marked the process so far, it seems unlikely. But after a significant meeting between theologians from the two sides, there are signs that change is in the wind.

The 14th Plenary Session of the Joint Commission for Theological Dialogue between the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church met in Chieti, Italy, and has just completed its work.

What’s significant is that it has approved a common document on a key cause of the division between the Churches. Its title is unpromising – Synodality and Primacy during the First Millennium: Towards a Common Understanding in Service to the Unity of the Church – but it deals with an issue of supreme importance: who’s in charge? According to Roman Catholics, it’s the pope; according to the Orthodox, he may be first among equals but he has no authority over patriarchs of the other Churches. So the question of how the pope’s office was seen in the formative years of the Christian Church, before the Great Schism that divided East and West in 1054, is absolutely crucial.

The Chieta document is a working paper that will go back to the Churches for discussion and – possibly, in time – approval. It follows a previous version approved at a meeting in Ravenna in 2007, which established that – with different nuances between Eastern and Western understandings of the word – the primacy of the Bishop of Rome was accepted by all Christians. But on that occasion the representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church walked out before discussions had even begun and were not party to the final agreement. Now, however, they are.

This is only the beginning of the next stage of the journey, and it would be unwise to predict anything approaching the “reunion” of the two communions in anything like the foreseeable future. Papal primacy is one thing, but the exact form of this primacy is another thing entirely – and there are three major stumbling blocks for the Orthodox Church on the road.

The first is the status of the Uniate or Eastern Catholic Churches, which are Orthodox in theology and liturgy but in communion with Rome. Orthodox Churches see this as unacceptable. The Russian Orthodox Church’s ‘foreign minister’, Metropolitan Hilarion, said after the Chieta meeting: “I can predict that there will be many divisive issues and that we will not agree on every point. However, the aim of our dialogue is not simply to agree on the points of which we agree anyhow, but we have to explore also the points of disagreement. And the issue of Uniatism is one such extremely burning issues.” The problem is particularly acute with regard to the Ukrainian Greek Catholics, who have infuriated the Russians both by their staunch Ukrainian loyalty and their insistence that they are a valid Church with no intention of submitting to Moscow’s ecclesiastical authority.

The second is what one eminent Orthodox theologian, Metropolitan Zizioulas of Pergamon, refers to as the “Orthodox Taliban”. Stridently nationalist and theologically fundamentalist, these priests and scholars are vehemently opposed to any form of dialogue or compromise with Rome or with Protestant Churches, which they refuse to recognise as Churches at all. The Georgian Church pulled out of the recent Pan-Orthodox Council because it believed it gave too much away to ecumenism. On Wednesday this week Georgian Orthodox ultranationalists and priests demonstrated outside the Vatican embassy in Tblisi to protest the forthcoming visit of Pope Francis: the organisers said the visit amounts to a “spiritual aggression by the Vatican and an attempt by the Catholic Church to colonise Georgia”.

It is hard to see this as anything but xenophobic paranoia, but it represents a deep suspicion that is felt elsewhere in the Orthodox world as well. Against such resistance, any advances in understanding are likely to take decades rather than years.

The third is the wider political landscape, particularly as it affects the Russian Orthodox Church. It dwarfs the others in terms of its numbers and wealth, and it is intimately tied to the regime of Vladimir Putin. As well as theological considerations, there are others that are purely political: how would any rapprochment between the Orthodox East and Catholic West play out in terms of Russia’s domestic and foreign affairs?

There’s still a long road ahead. As Gianni Valente for Vatican Insider puts it, it’s best to avoid both “sugary optimism and defeatist pessimism when judging the forced stops, U-turns and abrupt restarts in the journey the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have embarked on to overcome age-old divisions and restore sacramental unity”. But this agreement is something, and not to be sneezed at.

Follow Mark Woods on Twitter: @RevMarkWoods
 

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No not the way the diehard Catholics believe in the supremacy/infallibility of the Papacy with the Bishop of Rome as the sole monarchical head of the entire Church. Now whatever the Pope as having a special honor to convene councils and settle disputes is one thing, but he has no special permission setting doctrines, formulating dogmas or interfering in Apostolic see's, that not how the early Church worked.
 
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As long as he isn't wearing one of these...
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I don't think we would have any trouble recognising him ;)
 
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These sorts of agreements are well meaning but mostly useless. Achieving agreement by using words such as "Primacy" that are understood differently on the two sides is no agreement.

I also don't appreciate the "Orthodox Taliban" comment the entire Georgian Church is being maligned with.
 
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These sorts of agreements are well meaning but mostly useless. Achieving agreement by using words such as "Primacy" that are understood differently on the two sides is no agreement.

I also don't appreciate the "Orthodox Taliban" comment the entire Georgian Church is being maligned with.
That's probably by the writer of the article, not His Eminence. That is, I'm sure the latter used the term to describe phyletism, and the writer of the article mendaciously distorted the application.
 
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That's probably by the writer of the article, not His Eminence. That is, I'm sure the latter used the term to describe phyletism, and the writer of the article mendaciously distorted the application.

i have a feeling it was originally aimed at all those who opposed or critiqued or questioned the Crete Council in any way. articles coming out were being translated and disseminated into many languages which raised questions about the Council. However, as we see from the Pope's recent visit to Georgia, the Catholics can be met and treated with respect, while not stepping over the line of ecumenism.
 
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i have a feeling it was originally aimed at all those who opposed or critiqued or questioned the Crete Council in any way.
Maybe, but the way the writer of the article stressed "nationalism" in a context it has zero to do with, makes me believe that's what the quote originally referenced, and the writer was just stressing "nationalism" to be able to use the quote.
 
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When I talk with RC's about this issue they believe it's just a matter of time before East and West are reunited. Nominal Orthodox that I knew often thought the same. When I speak with zealous Orthodox, those who post online tend to be more zealous, they are more like, "heck no!"

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When I talk with RC's about this issue they believe it's just a matter of time before East and West are reunited. Nominal Orthodox that I knew often thought the same. When I speak with zealous Orthodox, those who post online tend to be more zealous, they are more like, "heck no!"

lol
Interesting.

A thought occurs to me. It may or may not be accurate. I have the understanding that Catholics must follow where the Pope leads. IF the Pope were to repent of heresies, become Orthodox, accept the former role (if that could be negotiated) and all were acceptable to the Orthodox (see, I think this is why Orthodox say it won't happen - we can't see the Pope doing all of this) ... but if it DID happen, then Catholics would/should de facto follow the Pope. It's a one-step process on their side, in a way.

I suspect what would really happen is that the Catholics would schism a bit. Some might follow the Pope into Orthodoxy. Some might form a new Catholic Church(es), some might totally feel betrayed and leave church altogether, some might seek out other denominations in disillusionment .... or perhaps other results as well.

I think it could be devastating to some Catholics after the fact. But the process itself is only a single step to them. But to the Orthodox, many issues are involved before it can happen, which I think make it seem currently impossible.
 
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Interesting.

A thought occurs to me. It may or may not be accurate. I have the understanding that Catholics must follow where the Pope leads. IF the Pope were to repent of heresies, become Orthodox, accept the former role (if that could be negotiated) and all were acceptable to the Orthodox (see, I think this is why Orthodox say it won't happen - we can't see the Pope doing all of this) ... but if it DID happen, then Catholics would/should de facto follow the Pope. It's a one-step process on their side, in a way.

I suspect what would really happen is that the Catholics would schism a bit. Some might follow the Pope into Orthodoxy. Some might form a new Catholic Church(es), some might totally feel betrayed and leave church altogether, some might seek out other denominations in disillusionment .... or perhaps other results as well.

I think it could be devastating to some Catholics after the fact. But the process itself is only a single step to them. But to the Orthodox, many issues are involved before it can happen, which I think make it seem currently impossible.
Reconciliation wouldn't be possible without the Catholics deleting the Filioque, and at this point that would be nothing less than Catholics surrendering as completely wrong the whole time and the Orthodox as right all along. The RCC is not going to do that.
 
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Nah, won't happen.

With that out of the way, I wonder what the difference is between a nationalist and an 'ultra nationalist'? And what either of them really have to do with why the Eastern Orthodox won't recognize the Pope as the RCC and its partisans want them to?

Maybe we could ask the Maronites, Chaldeans, Syro-Malabars, or any of the other Catholic ethnoreligious groups created out of whole cloth as a result of unions with Rome at various points? They might know.


Nope. No nationalism mixed with church here. Everybody ignore the Jesus figure posed in front of the Lebanese flag five seconds into the video.

(Aside: Oh my goodness, Lebanese Forces/Ouwet videos are hilarious...have you guys ever seen this stuff? It's so over the top and ridiculous. And I thought Egyptians/Copts had a penchant for tackiness! I mean, they do, but wow...this is so hammy, I'm actually impressed in a weird way. I wonder if the people involved in making this stuff think it's a good thing that the civil war ended. I can't tell, based on how laudatory this all is. It's not 1976 anymore, guys. Geez.)
 
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Not til he openly repents of Roman heresies. Til that happens, this is nothing but hot air

Ooooooooooooooooo.......!!!!! Do you realize how much FUN that will be to watch? The Roman Traddies will be screeching so loud it will be heard all the way back to the papal palace.
 
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The Roman Traddies will be screeching so loud it will be heard all the way back to the papal palace.

which would be fine by me, they can keep being heretics all they want. God loves them anyway, it's just not the God they claim to know.
 
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