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Are parents of six children knowingly callous and sadistic ?
Just because 3 of them choose death,
and 3 choose life ?
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How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?
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Just because 3 of them choose death,
and 3 choose life ?
Does God love rebels who deliberately break his commands and desire to be their own sovereign? Or does he hate such people?
Will he destroy all rebels who attempt to stand against him?
You are making this huge error in thinking that there is anything within us that is loveable.
There is NOTHING loveable in humanity apart from Christ. Nothing. Toss out any and all imagination about your perceived innate goodness and loveability. You have none. You are a filthy rag worthy of throwing onto the trash heap and being burned. That is the very best you have to offer God. God is just in tossing every humanbeing into eternal hell. He is gracious and merciful if he chooses even one to make clean. He chooses according to his own will and apart from your opinion on the matter. Yes, our opinion means nothing to the Sovereign King. He chooses. He rules with all authority.
God displays love to those He chooses to redeem. He does not love sin and the unredeemed. He will toss filthy sinners onto the pile and burn them for eternity.
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What does it matter whether there is anything loveable in us in anyone else's opinion when Christ says He loved us first
God loves ALL His children. You got that wrong. God loves us all unconditionally. Each person that does not come to Him, grieves Him.
You've created your own God. One that hates some of His children.
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Just as we are to Love our enemies, God loves rebels like Saul before he began Paul.
Saul was rebelling against God when he went out persecuting Christians and God did not destroy him.
No not at all!!! Godly type Love is Loving those in spite of what they have done or will do. It is an unconditional Love (“God forgive them they know not what they do”). Godly type Love is not logical, nor can it be learned/developed/taught or made instinctive to the person (robotic).
There was nothing “lovable” about the prodigal son in the pigsty.
You are equating being Lovable (in some way deserving of salvation) with God’s Love for sinful man, which is not Godly type Love.
You are saying: “God displays love to those He chooses to redeem”, but they are just like those that are not redeemed (by your definition), so you are describing a very inconsistent (unfair/unjust) God.
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The "all" is not universal. The "all" refers to all God's adopted children. The illegitimate children (see Hebrews 12) are not counted in the word "all."
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God loves Yeshua. When God looks upon His chosen, adopted, children, He see's Yeshua's atonement and loves us.
When God looks on unregenerate humanity, He sees filthy rags to throw on the fire.
The sole reason a Christian is not tossed in the fire is because of Jesus substitutionary work and absolutely nothing else. We have nothing to boast about.
Why do you desire to boast about yourself by imagining that you chose God as though He were a product to be picked from the grocery store of gods?
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Why don't you see that God loves all of His creation.
God hates sin. Of course, but not the sinner.
Your changing the subject. You need to Biblically account for your words, scripture reference?
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My views are biblical. I have provided scripture after scripture within the context of the passages. You may reject God's word if you like. I will not.
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I am describing a Sovereign King who laughs at your accusations of Him.
Yes, we are exactly like those whom God has not redeemed. Ephesians 2:1 - We were dead. Yep, just like the non redeemed.
Ephesians 2:4-5 - But God...made us alive.
Yep, God chose from a pile of filthy rags who are all equally deserving of being burned up. His choice is His to make and our complaints regarding His choice are ignored by the Sovereign King.
Perhaps you are clueless as to what Sovereign King means. It means, the King is above the law and can do anything He wants to any subject. He has no obligation to act as you wish him to act. You can either hate Him for having that authority or you can bow in His presence. What say you about the King of Kings?
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Hebrews 12:5-8
[5]And have you forgotten the encouraging words God spoke to you as his children? He said, “My child, don’t make light of the lord’s discipline, and don’t give up when he corrects you.
[6]For the lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child.”
[7]As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as his own children. Who ever heard of a child who is never disciplined by its father?
[8]If God doesn’t discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children at all.
Notice that not "all" are His children. Some are illegitimate.
God knows His chosen children and he lovingly disciplines us.
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Isaiah 64:1-6
[1]Oh, that you would burst from the heavens and come down! How the mountains would quake in your presence!
[2]As fire causes wood to burn and water to boil, your coming would make the nations tremble. Then your enemies would learn the reason for your fame!
[3]When you came down long ago, you did awesome deeds beyond our highest expectations. And oh, how the mountains quaked!
[4]For since the world began, no ear has heard and no eye has seen a God like you, who works for those who wait for him!
[5]You welcome those who gladly do good, who follow godly ways. But you have been very angry with us, for we are not godly. We are constant sinners; how can people like us be saved?
[6]We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. Like autumn leaves, we wither and fall, and our sins sweep us away like the wind.
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You said Hebrews 12 but I read it and there is nothing in the Chapter to support your point. So I asked for scripture, which you now won't produce?
Maybe just admit it's not there and half your scripture references are off subject.
If you had the verses you would produce them. Seems you do not.
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In case you missed the scripture reference.
Sigh, you really want to be your own king, don't you.
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Perhaps you are clueless to what 'hate' means.
Who equivelates 'hate' with God being sovereign? You turn it around like I and others who disagree with a premise that you say do not respect Christ as King. Stay on topic please.
Now where are the verses that say God hates mankind until they are saved?
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Your pov seems to portray that God wants something that He cannot have-
God wants, but for some reason God cannot cause what He wants? Is God a bystander?
Is God waiting for man to move, so he can move, thus responding to man, but not the cause or choice?
You didn't answer a question I posed...the only alternative for God NOT choosing, must be man's choice?
If God does not choose us and we choose God as some allege, then man is the chooser and not God.
Why then did God make some men better choosers, making them in a sense successful elect choice-makers?
Do some men somehow make themselves better choosers, since they choose God where others failed?
A point of contention many have with predestination or choice is the unfairness or arbitrariness of God.
These very objectors were likewise predestined and chosen by God to be better choosers in salvation.
This pov must prove they have a real choice, it appears they were predestined to make a good choice. .
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Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."
No matter how hard we try to put on makeup, our sin makes us look pitiful in God's eyes. We are, by nature, rebels who hate God's authority and we will never let him have full rule over our lives unless he does the work.
Why do you wish to imagine yourself as something deserving of accolades?
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Are all those that come to the banquet adopted by God?
Some were asked to go to the banquet but refused so they were not adopted?
The issue is not with all mature adults being like filthy rags to begin with, but with God who has the Love and power to make all sinners, guests at the banquet chooses arbitrarily (by your explanation) to make only some guests of the banquet?
We are all homeless street people, who, for really selfish reasons, accepted the invitation to the banquet, so how can we “boast” about accepting charity (it would be harder to turn it down when you’re hungry.)?
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