FLAT EARTH.

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

View attachment 183391 So here is photographic proof of a round earth!

If you would have bothered to have read earlier, information explaining the "fish eye" rounded effect has been made.

By the way, that pictures shows a span across of maybe two to five miles, depending on whether close up or far away. You're not going to see a "curve" in five miles, even if the Earth were a sphere. Goodness.

 

[Jadis40]

Think about who promotes globe theory and ask yourself if it is a Godly outfit?

The earth being a globe is not just a theory. It's 100% fact. Only hyper-literalist conspiracy nuts believe in a flat earth. Also, the "firmament" that the stars are supposedly fixed in doesn't exist.

The stars are scattered throughout the galaxy. the closest star, apart from our own sun, which is 92.96 million miles away, is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.423 light years away.

From a design standpoint, the earth, which is a planet, completing one revolution around the sun every 365 days makes more sense than the whole sky turning once every night.

 

[SkyWriting]

So here is photographic proof of a round earth!

Here is proof that ships can fly:

 

[SkyWriting]

Plants were made on day 3, Adam was made on day 6. If you believe that this is not a literal day (despite "and the evening and morning were day ___") then I can't defend myself. But if this is a literal 24 hour period, then 3 days is not long enough for anything to be produced to feed Adam. Again, I believe in literal days, and the evening and morning were 1 day... I take that literally and there isn't anything at this point that can change that view. So again, let's not waste each others time.

Blessings.

Right. But scientifically, the plants would be over 3 days old.

 

[SkyWriting]

It's sort of like having a trial, and all the evidence points to the accused being guilty, yet the jury finds him not guilty. Creationism runs contrary to the evidence. Instead of starting with evidence and then reaching conclusions, it starts with the conclusions, and then picks and chooses what "evidence" it wants to hear.

You'd be surprised to find Scientists rarely operate without scores of personal and factual assumptions.
In fact, any theory is a presumption before the results.

 

[Joshua_5]

The earth being a globe is not just a theory. It's 100% fact. Only hyper-literalist conspiracy nuts believe in a flat earth. Also, the "firmament" that the stars are supposedly fixed in doesn't exist.

The stars are scattered throughout the galaxy. the closest star, apart from our own sun, which is 92.96 million miles away, is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.423 light years away.

From a design standpoint, the earth, which is a planet, completing one revolution around the sun every 365 days makes more sense than the whole sky turning once every night.

And yet no one can measure the acceleration of the Earth. Even parrots can recite what they have been taught, without giving any critical analysis to their words.

 

[Joshua_5]

there are some statements just to goofy to even attempt to address

This about sums up your response. You've posted excuses of why you believe your theory hasn't been disproved, but nothing to demonstrate proof of the additional theories you've had to use to prop up your disproved theory (i.e. heliocentrism).

For those who take a religious stance on theories such as heliocentrism or evolutionism, as you appear to have chosen, no proof will ever be enough. For those who are content to accept God at His word, the existing proof that the Earth is flat is more than necessary.

 

[Ken Rank]

Right. But scientifically, the plants would be over 3 days old.

Sure... but not producing food yet. Look Sky.... and if Open Heart is reading.... it plainly states the trees brought forth fruit, I am not denying that. But that line does not say when and how it is YOU BOTH who are assuming this takes a great deal of time... or at least, longer than Adam could fast for. I am simply suggesting it happened as stated but at an accelerated rate. I am trying to deal with the "fact" that Adam was created a man (again, he had the appearance of age because he was not created as a baby) and he would have had to eat.

How long should it take for the earth to form? Science would demand a GREAT DEAL of time. Yet God said, "Let there be..." and it was. Now creation can follow the same line of progression science demands, but at a rate much faster than science has an answer for. That doesn't bother me as we don't need to have science agree with God, science is man observing and man drawing conclusions. But we are talking about God and God does not need man to understand Him. If Adam was made on day 6, and he was made a man, then he would need to eat like a man and that requires food. I have given an answer to that issue, I am trying to deal with it. Instead of telling me how wrong I am, give me an answer that provides Adam with something to eat before he dies of starvation.

Blessings.
Ken

 

[Ken Rank]

This about sums up your response.

And he spelled "too" wrong.

 

[Ken Rank]

If you would have bothered to have read earlier, information explaining the "fish eye" rounded effect has been made.

By the way, that pictures shows a span across of maybe two to five miles, depending on whether close up or far away. You're not going to see a "curve" in five miles, even if the Earth were a sphere. Goodness.

My post (picture) was a JOKE. The image was taken of a school we bought using a drone with a fisheye lens. If the earth's curve was that prominent, my evening jogs could be around the world... once or twice a day.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sure... but not producing food yet. Look Sky.... and if Open Heart is reading.... it plainly states the trees brought forth fruit, I am not denying that. But that line does not say when and how it is YOU BOTH who are assuming this takes a great deal of time... or at least, longer than Adam could fast for. I am simply suggesting it happened as stated but at an accelerated rate. I am trying to deal with the "fact" that Adam was created a man (again, he had the appearance of age because he was not created as a baby) and he would have had to eat.

How long should it take for the earth to form? Science would demand a GREAT DEAL of time. Yet God said, "Let there be..." and it was. Now creation can follow the same line of progression science demands, but at a rate much faster than science has an answer for. That doesn't bother me as we don't need to have science agree with God, science is man observing and man drawing conclusions. But we are talking about God and God does not need man to understand Him. If Adam was made on day 6, and he was made a man, then he would need to eat like a man and that requires food. I have given an answer to that issue, I am trying to deal with it. Instead of telling me how wrong I am, give me an answer that provides Adam with something to eat before he dies of starvation.

Blessings.
Ken

I fixed the starvation problem. "Time" is a gift from God to delay our payment.
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So it seems "time" as we know it, started when Adam sinned.
Genesis 2:17 "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

So up until Adam sinned, the type of "time" that kills us, causing things to age, did not exist.

So Creation week was orderly, but not subject to the type of time we know where
each day you are 24 hours closer to death.

I feel God thought this too heady a topic for humans, so it sits in the "Have Faith" pile.

 

[Ken Rank]

I fixed the starvation problem. "Time" is a gift from God to delay our payment.
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So it seems "time" as we know it, started when Adam sinned.
Genesis 2:17 "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

So up until Adam sinned, the type of "time" that kills us, causing things to age, did not exist.

So Creation week was orderly, but not subject to the type of time we know where
each day you are 24 hours closer to death.

I feel God thought this too heady a topic for humans, so it sits in the "Have Faith" pile.

You're certainly entitled to a different opinion, none of us can answer with 100% certainty here anyway. But I will say this much... we know how long a day is because that is how long the earth takes to spin one time. We know how long a month is because that is how long it takes the moon to go through its phases. We know how long a year is because that is how long the earth takes to orbit the sun. Unless you are prepared to say that the earths rotation, the moons phases, and the time it took to orbit the sun were different before sin (with proof of the claim) then your "fixing" of any problem is done purely on assumption.

 

[SilverBear]

This about sums up your response. You've posted excuses of why you believe your theory hasn't been disproved,

what theory?

Can you clarify which is the "excuse": atmospheric refraction or Quantus Airlines' daily Auckaland to Samtiago flight?

 

[Kenny'sID]

But it's 99.9% flat. 8 inches curve in 63,000 inches. It's mighty flat.
Much flatter than a pancake.

If that is a fact and it sounds about right to me, as large as the earth is, it could be defined as both flat and spherical.

Hey, see for yourself for very little money.

 

[Meowzltov]

I told you, you cannot change my mind and yet you continue to try. Adam didn't nurse off God's breasts, he needed food. Therefore, either the trees produced fruit at an advanced speed or they were created bearing fruit.... but in the end you still have to deal with the fact that Adam had to eat. Food had to be available, I have offered an answer. Perhaps it is a wrong answer, but it is an attempt at an answer. Telling me I am wrong is not you solving the problem. Perhaps you might spend some time trying to solve it instead of telling me how wrong I am? Blessings sis.

You are making the mistake of assuming the Hebrew word "yom" means a 24 hour long day. It does not always mean so. It can refer to an indefinite period of time. Even in English "day" doesn't always refer to a 24 hour long period of time. For example, I can say, "In my day we sat around the TV and watched shows as a family. Check out definition #2:

day
dā/
noun
1.a period of twenty-four hours as a unit of time, reckoned from one midnight to the next, corresponding to a rotation of the earth on its axis.
synonyms: a twenty-four-hour period, twenty-four hours
"I stayed for a day"

2.
a particular period of the past; an era.
"the laws were very strict in those days"
synonyms: period, time, age, era, generation
"the leading architect of the day"


Thus, there is no problem with trees growing from the ground, which is exactly what Genesis 1 states.

No, if I were to bring up a problem, I would mention that plants are not created until after Adam per Genesis 2. And it also explicitly states that they grow from the ground, rather than are created in adult form.

 

[Meowzltov]

Yep---like the 12 men and one woman who were found guilty because all the evidence pointed to that and executed. Then they discovered they were actually innocent. Who says all the evidence is in? There is more to find out yet. I'll wait for science to catch up to what God has said.

Sure. If new evidence comes up, we'll re-evaluate. However, this is not a case where there is just some evidence. There is tons and tons. This isn't just beyond a reasonable doubt. This is beyond any doubt.

 

[Ken Rank]

You are making the mistake of assuming the Hebrew word "yom" means a 24 hour long day. It does not always mean so. It can refer to an indefinite period of time. Even in English "day" doesn't always refer to a 24 hour long period of time. For example, I can say, "In my day we sat around the TV and watched shows as a family. Check out definition #2:

day
dā/
noun
1.a period of twenty-four hours as a unit of time, reckoned from one midnight to the next, corresponding to a rotation of the earth on its axis.
synonyms: a twenty-four-hour period, twenty-four hours
"I stayed for a day"

2.
a particular period of the past; an era.
"the laws were very strict in those days"
synonyms: period, time, age, era, generation
"the leading architect of the day"


Thus, there is no problem with trees growing from the ground, which is exactly what Genesis 1 states.

No, if I were to bring up a problem, I would mention that plants are not created until after Adam per Genesis 2. And it also explicitly states that they grow from the ground, rather than are created in adult form.

No, I am not. I can read biblical Hebrew, I know "yom" can mean anywhere from any part of one day, to 24 hours, to an undetermined amount of time. But when, "evening and morning" are added to yom, the context forces a 24 hour period. I have no interest in this topic (flat earth) and am moving on. See you in another thread.

 

[Meowzltov]

Look up "selenehelion". One occurred on Dec 10, 2011, but they have occurred quite a number of times through history. These are when a lunar eclipse occurs at the same time the sun is above the horizon. Impossible according to the ball-Earth theory of lunar eclipses, invalidating your "proof 1".

But it is atmospheric refraction that makes a selenelion possible.

Atmospheric refraction causes astronomical objects to appear higher in the sky than they are in reality.

For example: when you see the sun sitting on the horizon, it is not there really. It's actually below the edge of the horizon, but our atmosphere acts like a lens and bends the sun's image just above the horizon, allowing us to see it.

This effect actually lengthens the amount of daylight for several minutes or more each day; we end up seeing the sun for a few minutes in the morning before it has actually risen and for a few extra minutes in the evening after it actually already has set.

The same holds true with the moon, as well.

As a consequence of this atmospheric trick, for many localities there will be an unusual chance to observe a senelion firsthand with Saturday morning's shadowy event. There will be a short window of roughly 1-to-6 minutes (depending on your location) when you may be able to simultaneously spot the sun rising in the east-southeast and the eclipsed full moon setting in the west-northwest.

http://www.space.com/13856-total-lunar-eclipse-rare-senelion.html

 

[Meowzltov]

They only measure the parallax because they believe the Earth to be spinning about the sun. It is not. If they used simple trignometry, the stars are much closer. This is really the only scientific way to do it.

If the earth doesn't orbit the sun, it still shouldn't bother you as both measurements are taken from the earth, just at different seasons.

 

[chandraclaws]

But it's 99.9% flat. 8 inches curve in 63,000 inches. It's mighty flat.

But then again...it's mighty big.