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How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?
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My obedience is wholly out of love and gratefulness. Yeshua, due to nothing I did, chose to wash me of my sin and place me in his family. That kind of grace is amazing and I love to do my Father's bidding.
Obedience out of compulsion and fear is not joyous. Instead it is a tedious check mark to see if one has done enough good works. It would make Christianity no different than Islam or any works based religion. Uggh. No thank you! I am so glad it's God's work and not mine. The freedom to love God because He first loved me is thrilling and joyous.
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No, not at all. You are promoting works. Peter told Jesus that he would follow him. Peter utterly failed, despite really meaning to obey. Yeshua still loved him, no matter Peter's failure.
That was before Peter knew Yeshua's grace. Look at Peter after the resurrection. He followed Yeshua, even to death.
It is amazing what obedience out of love and gratefulness brings. It becomes a joy with no concerns for meeting approval. It's absolutely freeing.
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You are not able to even follow the conversation. So I can't continue with this.
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EmSw
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Jesus is promoting works. Do you have and keep His commandments?
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall beloved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Yes, you are right about this here from YHWH'S WORD.
Y'SHUA always obeyed as a perfect son.
Whoever is YHWH'S born again children TODAY obeys because they are YHWH'S children.
IF they say they are HIS and willfully disobey, HIS WORD says they are liars and there is NO LIGHT IN THEM.
So that is how we can tell the children of LIGHT from the children of darkness -
the same way YHWH DOES and SAYS TO.
That has in this sense NOTHING TO DO with being SAVED.
IF someone is disobedient,
and tries to BECOME A CHILD OF YHWH by obeying, they fail.
It cannot be done.
ONLY AFTER (IF) they become a CHILD OF YHWH
by YHWH'S DOING,
can they possibly please HIM by faith, and then obey HIM by following Y'SHUA and DOING AS HE DID/DOES AS HIS WORD SAYS.
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No, he is not promoting works for salvation in John 14.
He is explaining that his chosen will keep his commands because his chosen will love him. It is a love - love relationship. No compulsion necessary.
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EmSw
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But if they don't keep His commandments, Jesus will not manifest (appear, declare, show, disclose, and make known) Himself to them. Can a person become a child of God without Jesus' making Himself known to them?
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yeshuaslavejeff
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I don't see at all how your questions follow from my post.
In the New Testament, who was it that kept YHWH'S commandments in order to get Y'SHUA to manifest (appear, declare, show, disclose, and make known) Himself to them ?
Anyone ?
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yeshuaslavejeff
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A lot of them were not, remember? They walked away from HIM telling HIM that HIS WORDS were TOO HARD for them.
Later, they may have been saved - that is not recorded in YHWH'S WORD THOUGH.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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"EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE" as YHWH'S WORD SAYS.
Are the demons saved ?
(... "and they shudder in terror of the judgment they know is coming")
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