Should Christians rest on the Sabbath (saturday) and rejoice on the Lords day (sunday)?

[DoubtfulSalvation]

Maybe and maybe not. That's the thing about denominations, as they are usually split 30000 million different ways. I personally don't attend Sunday meetings and if I could remove that Baptist title from my post I would. Your still loving our demonic culture by worshiping their pagan practices. Can't let you get away there, friend.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Maybe and maybe not. That's the thing about denominations, as they are usually split 30000 million different ways. I personally don't attend Sunday meetings and if I could remove that Baptist title from my post I would. Your still loving our demonic culture by worshiping their pagan practices. Can't let you get away there, friend.

Interesting... It's just that we're from two different schools of thought, but that doesn't mean we should be unkind.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Ah, so then you lied in in your profile when you say you're Baptist. Thanks for clearing that up.

Make that two, it seems. Well, at least to not staying Baptist.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Except for seventh day Baptists. Yeah, that's a thing.

Yeah, thats a thing alright... Jk, jk...

 

[Hank77]

I am not arguing about the fact if it needs to be literal. I just asked and wondered where it said that Christ is the sabbath as someone mentioned this.
However, in a way you are right that not everything is spelled out word for word as otherwise Jesus didn't need to use illustrations... It shows there already.
However, if a statement about Christ is made, I like to know where it has been mentioned or in which way as I seek to follow Christ through scripture as it is Gods holy word.

First of all, I'm non denominational. Second, since you can't show me anywhere in the bible where it says Jesus is the sabbath then you are teaching the philosophies of men, not God. And finally, when I was brought up in a Baptist church it was a fundamental Baptist church, meaning Sola Scriptura. I'm certainly glad I'm not in your church as well, something we agree on.

Hebrews 4
This may help....
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html

No one is dismissing anything. You missed it from Christ, and now you have missed it from me:

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." Matthew 5:17

...and now you deny that He has fulfilled all He came to fulfill and said was "finished."

I think a lot of confusion about the Law being fufilled in and by Christ and the intent and righteousness of the Law being written on our hearts is because people don't understand covenants. The OT was abrogated, the works of the Law cannot be done today, even by the Jews, let alone by the Gentiles.

I don't deny a thing. You don't understand and you argue against what Jesus himself said. He fulfilled the law. He was the embodiment of the law. If Jesus had wanted to say the law is abolished Jesus had the power and the ability to say the law is abolished.
He did not say that.
He said this instead. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

Jesus finished the sacrificial law. His sacrifice upon the cross as the perfect unblemished and final lamb placed on the sin altar.
The moral law is still in effect. And the civil law of God pertains to the Jews alone.
What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

The 10 Commandments, the letters written on stone, is the Old Covenant - The Law of Moses - Made with those that God rescued from slavery in Egypt. Which in unfaithfulness, they broke often.
The New Covenant is a better covenant. The Father made it with His Son, who is always faithful, and never will break covenant with God. We are hidden in Him.

Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

 

[Bat Melek]

Should Christians rest on the Sabbath (saturday) and also rejoice on the Lords day (sunday) ?

I'd like to hear from both Sabbath keeping Christians and Sunday keeping Christians

God bless

We're expose to rejoice always not just on a specific day.

 

[Kristen Johnson]

I go to Church on Sunday morning and Sunday School, to refresh for the week, to worship, and to fellowship with my Church family. That works for me. I think looking at the commandment to keep the Sabbath and being very rigorous about it makes it into a rote thing to do and keeps away from the purpose of it.

 

[Bat Melek]

I just wondered where it says in the bible that 'Christ is the Sabbath? Where does it say that in the Bible? Nowhere as far as I can say.
Messianic Jews hold the Sabbath on the Saturday, sunset to sunset. other Christians have their rest day on the Sunday. All by all, it does not matter which day you do it, as long as you do it in truth, in honest attitude, on the day that God has made clear to you that you should keep it to glorify His Holy Name.

Please read this link as it might explain in details regarding the Sabbath.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html

 

[ScottA]

I think a lot of confusion about the Law being fufilled in and by Christ and the intent and righteousness of the Law being written on our hearts is because people don't understand covenants. The OT was abrogated, the works of the Law cannot be done today, even by the Jews, let alone by the Gentiles.

The other thing that is not understood, is that as "the dead in Christ", all matters regarding the chosen of Israel were completed in Him as the last Adam. Likewise, as "the living" in Christ, all matters regarding the born again (of the spirit of God) are retroactive.

If it were not so, then we could not say, that we are in Christ.

So, then, if we are in Christ, it is indeed "finished."

 

[South Bound]

Hebrews 4
This may help....
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html

I think a lot of confusion about the Law being fufilled in and by Christ and the intent and righteousness of the Law being written on our hearts is because people don't understand covenants. The OT was abrogated, the works of the Law cannot be done today, even by the Jews, let alone by the Gentiles.

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

The 10 Commandments, the letters written on stone, is the Old Covenant - The Law of Moses - Made with those that God rescued from slavery in Egypt. Which in unfaithfulness, they broke often.
The New Covenant is a better covenant. The Father made it with His Son, who is always faithful, and never will break covenant with God. We are hidden in Him.

Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

Thanks. I cited Hebrews 4 for Langston earlier in the thread and he just ignored it. Hopefully he'll listen this time.

 

[dqhall]

Jesus was accused of not resting on the Sabbath. He answered:
John 5:17 (WEB) But Jesus answered them, "My Father is still working, so I am working, too."

God does not rest.

One who does heavy lifting for five or six days needs a day or two of rest. One who is not heavily burdened may work more days without rest.

Sabbath is whatever day or days you make it to be. The commandment in the Bible was to make Saturday a day of rest. Saturday is the seventh day of the week. If you check your calendar, Sunday is the first day of the week.

 

[Ron Coates]

I accept that God accepts me and that Christ's atonement is what I need. I've found that any effort I may make to be accepted is actually unbelief. Which is sin and something I need to repent of. Having said that, I believe a day of rest is a good idea. I no more keep the Sabbath than I keep the tithing ordinance. But that's just me. Peace.

 

[Jim Langston]

Ah, so then you lied in in your profile when you say you're Baptist. Thanks for clearing that up.



Actually, the four verses I provided are the Word of God. It's dishonest of you to continue to claim I have shown no evidence when I provided four verses for you, which you have chosen to ignore because they don't fit your heretical beliefs.

Show me the words in the bible Jesus is the sabbath" I have yet to sre them. I see things the bible says about Jesus being rhe Lord of the sabbath and I see things about Jesus being our rest. Man then comes up and says oh, Jesus is the sabbath then! Yeah, so, let me get this straight. You say Jesus is the sabbath and it's over then make a new day the sabbath, sunday. By your own reasoning you are breaking your own beliefs!

I do not go by the reasoning of man. The same authority that changed the sabbath from saturday to sunday is the same authority who killed people for not being a part of their church. But they also missused the bible for that too.

Listen very closly, Jesus dying on the cross for our sins changed nothing of God working six days and resting on the seventh. You say you are baptist? Look at who changed the day of worship from saturday to sunday. Yeah, the pope.

 

[Hank77]

I see things the bible says about Jesus being rhe Lord of the sabbath and I see things about Jesus being our rest.

The word sabbath H7776 is a form of shabat H7673 which means desist from work or rest. We say Jesus is our rest, we rest/shabat in Him. We rest from our works, just as God rested from His works of creation on the 7th day.

For me, for my understanding, this rest has little to do with resting my physical body but everything to do with desisting from trying to be justified by my own works but to rest in the works of the Christ.

 

[W2L]

The word sabbath H7776 is a form of shabat H7673 which means desist from work or rest. We say Jesus is our rest, we rest/shabat in Him. We rest from our works, just as God rested from His works of creation on the 7th day.

For me, for my understanding, this rest has little to do with resting my physical body but everything to do with desisting from trying to be justified by my own works but to rest in the works of the Christ.

I believe resting from our works might also mean to rest from our evil works too. Christ said not to labor for food that spoils but for the Food God gives. We do Gods work of love and grace. We also do the work of faith which is to be content whether we have enough or we suffer necessities. God is our helper and will supply our needs. We also work with our hands though but not to become rich.

I believe we can find rest for our soul in these things. We reap what we sow

 

[DoubtfulSalvation]

Aren't non sabbath keeping christians considered to be not christian by sabbath keepers?

 

[Graham Dull]

The Sabbath has been changed from Saturday to Sunday

The weekly 'Day of Rest' has indeed been changed. (Note Constantine's Edict below.) The majority of Christians disregard and ignore the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

The majority though, do keep Constantine's Edict to the letter.

Constantine’s Edict of A.D.321
In A.D. 321, the Emperor Constantine proclaimed the following Edict: (He later became known as ‘Constantine the Great,’ and ‘Saint Constantine’)
“On the ‘venerable Day of the sun’ (Sunday) let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.”
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While his Edict has similarities to the Fourth Commandment, it is different.

The Fourth Commandment gives rest on the ‘seventh day’ of the week, while Constantine’s edict offered rest on the ‘first day’ of the week.

Rest for everyone — God
God’s Commandment provided a day of rest for everyone:
Exodus 20:9
“On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.”

Rest for some — Constantine
Constantine’s command did not provide rest for everyone, it enabled work to come first for workers engaged in agriculture:

Constantine’s Edict
“In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.”

Rest at all times — God
God provided a blessing to those resting during the ‘sowing time’ and the ‘harvest.’
Exodus 34:21
“Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.”
.

Furthermore, the Church of both East and West accepted this change as taking place as they slowly came to understand that the Old Covenant is dead and that the Christian faith has replaced it. So by saying that the Sabbath is still in force, you oppose 1500 years of theologians who are far, far smarter than both of us combined.

"...the Church of both East and West accepted this change as taking place as they slowly came to understand"

"...theologians who are far, far smarter than both of us combined."

It was a gradual change, led by the theologians.

 

[Graham Dull]

Constantine’s Edict of A.D.321

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Constantine’s Edict offers Christians a lot of 'freedom.'

It must be recognized though, that Constantine’s Edict is not one of the Ten Commandments.
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[Jim Langston]

The weekly 'Day of Rest' has indeed been changed. (Note Constantine's Edict below.) The majority of Christians disregard and ignore the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

The majority though, do keep Constantine's Edict to the letter.

Constantine’s Edict of A.D.321
In A.D. 321, the Emperor Constantine proclaimed the following Edict: (He later became known as ‘Constantine the Great,’ and ‘Saint Constantine’)
“On the ‘venerable Day of the sun’ (Sunday) let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.”
----------------

While his Edict has similarities to the Fourth Commandment, it is different.

The Fourth Commandment gives rest on the ‘seventh day’ of the week, while Constantine’s edict offered rest on the ‘first day’ of the week.

Rest for everyone — God
God’s Commandment provided a day of rest for everyone:
Exodus 20:9
“On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.”

Rest for some — Constantine
Constantine’s command did not provide rest for everyone, it enabled work to come first for workers engaged in agriculture:

Constantine’s Edict
“In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.”

Rest at all times — God
God provided a blessing to those resting during the ‘sowing time’ and the ‘harvest.’
Exodus 34:21
“Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.”
.

"...the Church of both East and West accepted this change as taking place as they slowly came to understand"

"...theologians who are far, far smarter than both of us combined."

It was a gradual change, led by the theologians.

Here you can read why Constantine changed the day from Saturday to Sunday, because he used to be a sun worshipper. Nothing to do with Jesus.

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/how-the-sabbath-was-changed

 

[Hank77]

Constantine’s Edict of A.D.321
In A.D. 321, the Emperor Constantine proclaimed the following Edict: (He later became known as ‘Constantine the Great,’ and ‘Saint Constantine’)
“On the ‘venerable Day of the sun’ (Sunday) let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.”

Showing a total disregard for Jewish people who would have to close their shops for two days out of seven, how just of him. Like the old blue laws in this country that discriminated against 7th day observers.