Real time or evo time?

[dad]

16 September 2016 dad: A lie (parallax has been explained several times to him) and repeated delusions about space and time.

Your claims about time existing exactly the same in deep space are empty flights of fancy. When we do the math, we see that the base line in a parallax measurement to the stars is a line here...in the solar system. So when we try to make that equal to an unknown section of deep space, we have religion only. You only have access to one part of the equation. Yet you claim both... (t x d) = (T x D). (where t is time in the solar system, and d is distance here. T is time or lack of it in the far universe and D is space and time distance in the far universe.)

 

[dad]

Everyone understands that the HI Theory is just religious slobber. Such slobber, it doesn't deserve any respect. The smug arrogance, the pathological lieing, the cowardely . Expoliting God to promote one's own fantasy is inexcusable. To do it for over ten years is even worse. At least AV has faith.

Swell

 

[dad]

Good thing this isn't a science thread. It's a HI Theory thread. The closest it gets to science is science fiction.

Your science astounds.

 

[dad]

You believe in a same state past, yet you criticize science for doing the same.

False. I do not believe in one beyond Noah.

 

[dad]

This includes time varying because galaxies increase metallicity (make sure you learn what the word means in astronomy dad!) as time passes. Metallicity does not change measurably decrease until we get to ~10 billion light years. So time has ticked away as we expected for those 10 billion years.

Oh? So how much has it increased in the years since science existed? Hoo ha

 

[TLK Valentine]

False. I do not believe in one beyond Noah.

You do regarding the moon... and anywhere else where you aren't at this exact moment.

 

[dad]

You do regarding the moon... and anywhere else where you aren't at this exact moment.

No. The moon is well within the fishbowl of man's realm..as far as space and time go, no? Why not look beyond the bowl?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No. The moon is well within the fishbowl of man's realm..as far as space and time go, no? Why not look beyond the bowl?

Is it? Man hasn't been there in almost half a century -- are you going to sit there and claim with absolute knowledge that nothing has changed since then?

 

[dad]

Is it? Man hasn't been there in almost half a century -- are you going to sit there and claim with absolute knowledge that nothing has changed since then?

It is better to not deny reality, I would think. The reality is that you have never been to the far universe, and also do not know the state of laws and nature on earth in the far past. It would behove you to address the actual issues.

http://christian-creation-science.webnode.com

 

[TLK Valentine]

It is better to not deny reality, I would think.

And the reality is that you have no idea whether or not the Moon is in the same state it was in the last time anyone was there.

Just admit that much.

 

[dad]

And the reality is that you have no idea whether or not the Moon is in the same state it was in the last time anyone was there.

Just admit that much.

Guess some folks have a hard time admitting that science really has actual limits. Yet they lie and tell evil stories about where God's wonderful creation came from, based solely on speculating beyond those limits. That is dishonest.

Rather than an appeal to faith alone, you should be able to show a reasonable case for how you think you know what is in the far universe, or the state of the earth in the far past.
Others, more brave and honest, have tried. They have mostly invoked radioactive decay, and a uniformity belief they apply to all things. Others have cowered behind a mockery of a last thursdayism approach, where, they basically try to insinuate that if we accept last week, we must accept the total package of godless lies about all the past.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

At this point there is no evidence, absolutely none, to suggest that the physical constants and the laws of nature were the same in the past. Try to post evidence and see.. . . . . . . .

We all know how that would go. Evidence would be posted, and you would say it does not suffice. You will say that regardless of the evidence.

But evidence of the laws of nature and the physical constants being the same in the past is easily seen in astronomical observations, where we directly observe processes occurring millions and billions of years in the past, in accordance with the laws of physics as we know them today.

Evidence on earth includes fossils bearing witness that life as we know it functioned millions of years ago; volcanoes as we know them formed lava as we know it millions of years ago, and so on.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Guess some folks have a hard time admitting that science really has actual limits. Yet they lie and tell evil stories about where God's wonderful creation came from, based solely on speculating beyond those limits. That is dishonest.

Rather than an appeal to faith alone, you should be able to show a reasonable case for how you think you know what is in the far universe, or the state of the earth in the far past.
Others, more brave and honest, have tried. They have mostly invoked radioactive decay, and a uniformity belief they apply to all things. Others have cowered behind a mockery of a last thursdayism approach, where, they basically try to insinuate that if we accept last week, we must accept the total package of godless lies about all the past.

You can't do it, can you? You can't admit that you don't know if the Moon is in the same state now as it was 40 years ago.

You just can't do it...

 

[dad]

We all know how that would go. Evidence would be posted, and you would say it does not suffice. You will say that regardless of the evidence.

Until there is evidence the past state was the way you claim, who really cares?

But evidence of the laws of nature and the physical constants being the same in the past is easily seen in astronomical observations,

Absurd. You see here, only here, always here, nowhere else, ever. The photons and light and etc all are here that we see. You realize that?

where we directly observe processes occurring millions and billions of years in the past, in accordance with the laws of physics as we know them today.

False. Not directly! Only in the fishbowl here! Just because time exists here, for example, you assume that time exists and exists the same everywhere, so that it would take time for things to happen and get to the fishbowl. How small minded. How religious. How godless.

Evidence on earth includes fossils bearing witness that life as we know it functioned millions of years ago;

Life...yes. As it functioned...yes. The imaginary time..no. Stop preaching.

volcanoes as we know them formed lava as we know it millions of years ago, and so on.

False, how and when a rest from heated rock occurred depends on what state existed! The old ages are a dream.

 

[dad]

You can't do it, can you? You can't admit that you don't know if the Moon is in the same state now as it was 40 years ago.

You just can't do it...

Guess some folks have a hard time admitting that science really has actual limits. Yet they lie and tell evil stories about where God's wonderful creation came from, based solely on speculating beyond those limits. That is dishonest.

Rather than an appeal to faith alone, you should be able to show a reasonable case for how you think you know what is in the far universe, or the state of the earth in the far past.
Others, more brave and honest, have tried. They have mostly invoked radioactive decay, and a uniformity belief they apply to all things. Others have cowered behind a mockery of a last thursdayism approach, where, they basically try to insinuate that if we accept last week, we must accept the total package of godless lies about all the past.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Guess some folks have a hard time admitting that science really has actual limits. Yet they lie and tell evil stories about where God's wonderful creation came from, based solely on speculating beyond those limits. That is dishonest.

Rather than an appeal to faith alone, you should be able to show a reasonable case for how you think you know what is in the far universe, or the state of the earth in the far past.
Others, more brave and honest, have tried. They have mostly invoked radioactive decay, and a uniformity belief they apply to all things. Others have cowered behind a mockery of a last thursdayism approach, where, they basically try to insinuate that if we accept last week, we must accept the total package of godless lies about all the past.

You want everyone else to recognize their limits -- why can't you recognize your own?

Just admit the truth -- you don't know if the Moon is in the same state now as it was forty years ago.

Show me that much honesty, and we can talk about limits...

 

[dad]

You want everyone else to recognize their limits -- why can't you recognize your own?

It's not about me. It is about the claims of science about creation and life.

I sometimes wonder why someone would want to bother being a christian if they thought the bible was a pathetic joke and not true.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's not about me. It is about the claims of science about creation and life.

But you're making claims too -- now admit that you have limits; admit that you don't know if the Moon is in the same state now as it was in the past.

 

[AV1611VET]

But you're making claims too -- now admit that you have limits; admit that you don't know if the Moon is in the same state now as it was in the past.

Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Until there is evidence the past state was the way you claim, who really cares?
Absurd. You see here, only here, always here, nowhere else, ever. The photons and light and etc all are here that we see. You realize that?
False. Not directly! Only in the fishbowl here! Just because time exists here, for example, you assume that time exists and exists the same everywhere, so that it would take time for things to happen and get to the fishbowl. How small minded. How religious. How godless.
Life...yes. As it functioned...yes. The imaginary time..no. Stop preaching.

False, how and when a rest from heated rock occurred depends on what state existed! The old ages are a dream.

See? Just as I predicted, you rejected all the evidence. Well, you can just sit over there in your corner and continue to utter words that will be ignored.