Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[mmksparbud]

If you're not interested in learning about, and being able to address that evidence, then you'll understand if we don't take your argument from incredulity and personal revulsion seriously

Oh, that's ok, don't worry about it---If I am right, we will soon know, and you can tell me how your theory looks then. If I'm not--I won't have missed out on anything important to me anyway.

 

[rjs330]

Unless you can explain to use why the designer:
- placed 203,000 ERVs in the same location in the human and chimpanzee genome
- made the human chromosome 2 to look exactly like a fusion of chimpanzee chromosome 2a and 2b
- placed fossils in the geological column so as to exactly replicate what we'd expect to find from evolution
- placed a broken GULO gene in all primates that is broken the exact same way
- placed egg yolk genes in mammals
- placed a broken gene package for hind leg development in whales
- etc.
your assertion is nothing but vacuous rhetoric.

All pure supposition that it ties to evolution since we can't go back and observe any of it actually meaning anything. So what if chimps and us have the ervs. Big deal. Unless you can go back in time and observe things changing into other things it means nothing other than an interesting oddity. That points to common design.

Unless you can explain to use why the designer:
- placed 203,000 ERVs in the same location in the human and chimpanzee genome
- made the human chromosome 2 to look exactly like a fusion of chimpanzee chromosome 2a and 2b
- placed fossils in the geological column so as to exactly replicate what we'd expect to find from evolution
- placed a broken GULO gene in all primates that is broken the exact same way
- placed egg yolk genes in mammals
- placed a broken gene package for hind leg development in whales
- etc.
your assertion is nothing but vacuous rhetoric.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Same test you use for evolution. Common design fits the test.

What test are you talking about? Can you describe in detail what test that would demonstrate something is designed. Also describe a falsifiable test and the results we should see if something wasn't designed. It sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

So what if chimps and us have the ervs. Big deal

It's a big deal because it is overwhelming, irrefutable evidence that we share a common ancestor. If we compare your DNA with your parents, your shared ERVs will insert in the same spot. This is because you inherited them from them. The only explanation for why we share 99.9% of ERV insertions with chimps is that we share a common ancestor.

Unless you can go back in time and observe things changing into other things it means nothing other than an interesting oddity.

Species don't just suddenly change into another species. This demonstrates you don't know what evolution is or claims. Every living thing ever born was the same species as its parents. Evolution takes place in populations, not individuals.

 

[sfs]

All pure supposition that it ties to evolution since we can't go back and observe any of it actually meaning anything. So what if chimps and us have the ervs. Big deal. Unless you can go back in time and observe things changing into other things it means nothing other than an interesting oddity. That points to common design.

This isn't how science works -- it's quite capable of testing ideas about events in the past. Of course, it's also not really how anybody actually thinks. If I drive around the corner and see a car smashed into a tree, steam coming out of the radiator and skid marks leading up to it, I do not conclude, "Welp, I can't go back and time and see, so I have no idea what happened. Maybe God made it that way." Neither do you. We're all happy to draw conclusions about things that happened in the past based on present evidence -- unless we don't like the conclusions, that is.

 

[USincognito]

All pure supposition...

I love when Creationists think they can use a magic word (Supposition instead of abracadabra) to poof away the evidence in a cloud of smoke. Unfortunately for them, then the smoke clears the evidence remains, and remains unaddressed.

 

[ScottA]

same designer, same design is pretty silly argument, thats like saying because ford makes both a truck and a car and they are esentially the same thing, they use all the parts for a truck to make a car even if they just get welded onto the body as they have no use. Or instead of using a new muffler, they pound the truck muffler to fit in a car, or use the same amount of piping even though half the amount is needed.

Oh and the radio has a list of all stations in the world and has to sort through them just to reach the one you want.

This is what we see in humans and nature, nerves that are 10*'s longer then they need too because it's built that way in a fish even though it's stupid in a giraffe.

dolphins have genes for scents even though they don't use them to smell in water, same in humans 4% of our DNA is devoted to scents, most we don't use.

we have ERV's, we have chromosonal fusions like human chromosone 2, and many many many more simular things.

these don't make sense in same designer same design, because we wouldn't design things and don't.

So...keep leaning on your own understanding and contradicting the word of God, then. Bravo.

 

[bhsmte]

So...keep leaning on your own understanding and contradicting the word of God, then. Bravo.

It would seem, in regards to this topic, the majority of Christians don't follow what you call; the word of God.

 

[rjs330]

It's a big deal because it is overwhelming, irrefutable evidence that we share a common ancestor. If we compare your DNA with your parents, your shared ERVs will insert in the same spot. This is because you inherited them from them. The only explanation for why we share 99.9% of ERV insertions with chimps is that we share a common ancestor.



Species don't just suddenly change into another species. This demonstrates you don't know what evolution is or claims. Every living thing ever born was the same species as its parents. Evolution takes place in populations, not individuals.

Sorry not buying unscientific mumbo jumbo full of assumptions and unprovable assertions.

 

[rjs330]

It's a big deal because it is overwhelming, irrefutable evidence that we share a common ancestor. If we compare your DNA with your parents, your shared ERVs will insert in the same spot. This is because you inherited them from them. The only explanation for why we share 99.9% of ERV insertions with chimps is that we share a common ancestor.



Species don't just suddenly change into another species. This demonstrates you don't know what evolution is or claims. Every living thing ever born was the same species as its parents. Evolution takes place in populations, not individuals.

I don't think I've talked to you before. I know exactly what evolution is. I've had it explained as nauseam by many evolutionists. And its all poppycock. Go back far enough and something did change into something it wasn't. And science,has never been able to recreate or observe the phenomenon. Utter nonsense.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think I've talked to you before. I know exactly what evolution is. I've had it explained as nauseam by many evolutionists. And its all poppycock. Go back far enough and something did change into something it wasn't. And science,has never been able to recreate or observe the phenomenon. Utter nonsense.

Do you ever see a physician for medical care?

If you do, ask them how the TOE has impacted medical care and see what they say.

 

[rjs330]

Do you ever see a physician for medical care?

If you do, ask them how the TOE has impacted medical care and see what they say.

Sounds like evidence of common design to,me.

 

[bhsmte]

Sounds like evidence of common design to,me.

Ask them, see what they say it is evidence for.

 

[USincognito]

Sorry not buying unscientific mumbo jumbo full of assumptions and unprovable assertions.

Oh look! More magic words to try and poof the evidence away rather than actually understand and address it.

 

[bhsmte]

Oh look! More magic words to try and poof the evidence away rather than actually understand and address it.

Just your raw defense mechanisms in action.

 

[USincognito]

Oh, that's ok, don't worry about it---If I am right, we will soon know, and you can tell me how your theory looks then. If I'm not--I won't have missed out on anything important to me anyway.

Ah Pascal's wager. Tell you what, my position on the existence of a deity could be wrong, but my position on evolution is rock solid.

 

[USincognito]

I don't think I've talked to you before. I know exactly what evolution is. I've had it explained as nauseam by many evolutionists. And its all poppycock. Go back far enough and something did change into something it wasn't. And science,has never been able to recreate or observe the phenomenon. Utter nonsense.

You understand evolution? Please give us a hypothetical example of what you think would be "something changing into something it wasn't".

As far as observations go, by your standard, because we cannot recreate the earth in a lab in real time, geology is not science.

 

[Speedwell]

You understand evolution? Please give us a hypothetical example of what you think would be "something changing into something it wasn't".

As far as observations go, by your standard, because we cannot recreate the earth in a lab in real time, geology is not science.

Of course it's not science--its findings contradict a young Earth.

 

[loveofourlord]

So...keep leaning on your own understanding and contradicting the word of God, then. Bravo.

I will go with what god has revealed, if your understanding of the bible contradicts reality perhaps it's your understanding that is wrong, evolution is a fact, I won't corrupt reality and the truth to keep a untennable belief, I know god's real and I know evolution happened so I must accept them, I won't make the bible, or reality conform to some preconcieved idea of what is true just to keep holding on to a false belief. Creationism is killing Chrstianity with it's lies and falsehoods, and not sure I want to stand before god and have to explain why I turned people from Christianity rather then accept the truth.

 

[loveofourlord]

Sounds like evidence of common design to,me.

Then your wrong, look up at what I posted before, explain not just the simularities we would except, but all the ones that we wouldn't and make no sense, and are just stupid outside of evolution. No reason for god to be using the same body plan for a fish and a human even when the design obviously can kill and cause problems unless through evolution where there is no going back to fix issues, so you have a nerve that is like a inch in a fish suddenly feet in a giraffe, or so much of DNA devoted to genes other animals use, but we've never needed or used if creationism and ID are right.

Same design same designer argument makes god out to be incompetent, and thats not the god I worship.