Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[JonFromMinnesota]

If they're made possible by artificial selection, how does that give credence to natural evolution?

Natural selection is nature selecting the best traits on its own. A population of brown bears in a snowy environment. Some of the offspring has a mutation that gives them white fur. This white fur gives them a hunting advantage. Nature selects for this fur and you end up with an entire population of white bears.

Artificial selection is humans selecting for the best traits. Take a look at the difference between a wild turkey and a domesticated turkey. We select for the larger breasted turkeys.

It's the same mechanism, one is natural and the other is artificial.

 

[Astrophile]

The theory of evolution never produced anything except make-believe history.

Why do you think this? How much do you know about the theory of evolution? Have you studied it at university, or gained a Ph.D. in a biological subject?

Do you think that this is true of all scientific theories? Do you think that kinetic theory, atomic theory, plate tectonic theory, quantum theory, the theory of radioactive decay and the theory of stellar dynamics 'never produced anything but make-believe'?

The rotation of galaxies is an indisputable, observed fact.

This fact, however, is interpreted by different scientists as being caused by Missing Matter/Gravity or by Electricity/Ionized Plasma.

Different interpretations, same fact.

First, the mere fact that galaxies are rotating does not need missing mass or plasma; it is the details of their rotation curves that require galaxies to contain more mass than can be accounted for by the observed stars and interstellar matter.

Second, so far as I know, Missing Mass is ordinary baryonic matter that has not been observed but that has to exist to account for the cosmic He/H, D/H, Li/H and He-3/H ratios. The excess mass that is required to account for the rotation curves of galaxies (and other phenomena) is Dark Matter, which is not baryonic.

Third, 'ionised plasma' is a tautology; all plasmas are ionised by definition.

Finally, so far as I know, the Plasma Cosmology/Electric Universe idea is generally regarded as pseudoscience; there is no real division of opinion among scientists on this matter.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I see this all the time, it's become one of those knee jerk responses, but we did infact evolve from monkeys if evolution is true.

This may seem pedantic, but by definition the common ancestor between monkeys and humans was infact a monkey, we would call it a monkey if we saw it today, it would fit all the criteria for being a monkey. it wasn't a modern one, but it was still a monkey.

The split from monkeys happened after new world and old world monkeys split, so humans are descended from old world monkeys wich would make our ancestors monkeys.

How is this information helpful?

 

[Doveaman]

You should walk into a biomedical lab and make this claim. You'll be laughed out of the building. Do you know why you don't take antibiotics for viral infections? Evolution explains why.


Do you enjoy fruits and vegetables? Many are made possible by artificial selection. Same with our domesticated animals. Selection is also vital to genetic engineering. Should I go on?

I should have made it clear that I was referring to human evolution from apes or monkeys according to the thread, which has nothing to do with the production of antibiotics or artificial vegetables.

 

[Doveaman]

Why did you quote AV1611VET indirectly through my post, rather than directly through his own post?

I wasn't quoting AV. I was quoting you (#92).

I just thought your response to AV was funny.

 

[Doveaman]

Why do you think this? How much do you know about the theory of evolution?

Enough to know that humans did not evolve from apes or monkeys.

Do you think that this is true of all scientific theories? Do you think that kinetic theory, atomic theory, plate tectonic theory, quantum theory, the theory of radioactive decay and the theory of stellar dynamics 'never produced anything but make-believe'?

Nope....only evolution theory.

Second, so far as I know, Missing Mass is ordinary baryonic matter that has not been observed but that has to exist to account for the cosmic He/H, D/H, Li/H and He-3/H ratios. The excess mass that is required to account for the rotation curves of galaxies (and other phenomena) is Dark Matter, which is not baryonic.

If it is missing and has never been observed, then you cannot possible know what it is.
You are just assuming there is missing mass because you are blinded by old make-belief ideas that can never be demonstrated.
What is dark matter? Do you have some? Can you demonstrate that it has mass that can move galaxies?
Dark matter is just a make-belief idea. It is not real. It is just a placeholder term for human ignorance and denial.
It has been already observed that plasma accounts for the rotation curves.
You can continue to live in denial if you prefer.

Finally, so far as I know, the Plasma Cosmology/Electric Universe idea is generally regarded as pseudoscience; there is no real division of opinion among scientists on this matter.

Pseudoscience is the mainstream model of a universe that is 96% missing.
Real science is based on observed facts, not invisible genies.
It is no coincident that the observed universe is made up of more than 99% plasma.
No invisible, unknown, make-belief mass is required.

 

[bhsmte]

Enough to know that humans did not evolve from apes or monkeys.
Nope....only evolution theory.
If it is missing and has never been observed, then you cannot possible know what it is.
You are just assuming there is missing mass because you are blinded by old make-belief ideas that can never be demonstrated.
What is dark matter? Do you have some? Can you demonstrate that it has mass that can move galaxies?
Dark matter is just a make-belief idea. It is not real. It is just a placeholder term for human ignorance and denial.
It has been already observed that plasma accounts for the rotation curves.
You can continue to live in denial if you prefer.
Pseudoscience is the mainstream model of a universe that is 96% missing.
Real science is based on observed facts, not invisible genies.
It is no coincident that the observed universe is made up of more than 99% plasma.

Enough to know what exactly? Please provide details.

 

[Doveaman]

Enough to know what exactly? Please provide details.

What details?
There are no details except the ones you created.
Human evolution from apes or monkeys is not an observed fact.
It is an imaginary assumption, a make-belief idea.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Human evolution from apes or monkeys is not an observed fact.
It is an imaginary assumption, a make-belief idea.

The evidence for common ancestry is overwhelming. Shared ERVs, chromosome 2 and the fossil record put any doubt to bed a long time ago.

 

[USincognito]

Enough to know that humans did not evolve from apes or monkeys.

Not at all then. Good to know.

 

[mmksparbud]

Sorry--don't see the connection, you want to be descended from them--0k--Not me----however---the redhead does look a little familiar
I'll stick with the we are made in the image of Almighty God concept.

 

[bhsmte]

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Sorry--don't see the connection, you want to be descended from them--0k--Not me----however---the redhead does look a little familiar
I'll stick with the we are made in the image of Almighty God concept.

You skipped a few steps. Nice try though.

 

[mmksparbud]

You skipped a few steps. Nice try though.

There aren't enough steps for that transition!!

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

There aren't enough steps for that transition!!

Did you know that 99.9% of endogenous retrovirus insertions in our genome insert in the exact same place in the chimpanzee genome? This is only possible if we share a common ancestor. This is irrefutable evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

There aren't enough steps for that transition!!

Not in the space you have available, no.

 

[rjs330]

The evidence for common ancestry is overwhelming. Shared ERVs, chromosome 2 and the fossil record put any doubt to bed a long time ago.

Those things show common design. They are not evidence of evolution.

 

[rjs330]

Did you know that 99.9% of endogenous retrovirus insertions in our genome insert in the exact same place in the chimpanzee genome? This is only possible if we share a common ancestor. This is irrefutable evidence.

Evidence of common design, not evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

Those things show common design. They are not evidence of evolution.

Do you have a scientific definition of this design?

How about, a falsifiable test, to determine when design is present?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Evidence of common design, not evolution.

And common building material.

 

[rjs330]

Do you have a scientific definition of this design?

How about, a falsifiable test, to determine when design is present?

Hmm.... Not sure that I can falsify God. Can't prove him either to your satisfaction. But as a theory goes common design is just as good as evolution. I choose common design.