"Life and its building blocks are way too complicated to have evolved." [moved]

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No, it's bunk until he shows it is not bunk.
Hint: timeline.

Not what I asked. I asked for you to show that catastrophism being a creation science claim isn't bunk.

 

[Hieronymus]

I agree.

Catastrophism is a major doctrine, and is the opposite of uniformitarianism.

Catastrophism is as old as Methuselah, not "invented by creationists".

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

By giving Him the credit.

Again: that's not factoring Him. That's forcing him in. It's not the same thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's not evidence, that's a claim.

So is "catastrophism is a 'creation science' invention."

And a claim that does not answer my request from @Hieronymus : show that catarasphorism being a creation science claim isn't bunk.

Asking someone to demonstrate a negative, are you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Catastrophism is as old as Methuselah, not "invented by creationists".

 

[AV1611VET]

Again: that's not factoring Him. That's forcing him in. It's not the same thing.

One of my favorite comics:

I always think of the parting of the Red Sea when I look at this.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So is "catastrophism is a 'creation science' invention."

Since I've only ever seen the phrase used by creation science proponents... yes.

Asking someone to demonstrate a negative, are you?

Actually, I'm asking him to prove a positive. His claim is that catastrophism is something that is a promoted by science, while I'm claiming that it's not, so he needs to prove that he is right and I'm wrong.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

One of my favorite comics:

I always think of the parting of the Red Sea when I look at this.

You are purposefully not answering the question: how are we supposed to factor God in to an equation?

 

[AV1611VET]

Since I've only ever seen the phrase used by creation science proponents... yes.

I'm not a creation science proponent, chief.

Creation science is a contradiction in terms ... and for that matter, science can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are purposefully not answering the question: how are we supposed to factor God in to an equation?

It's a miracle.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I'm not a creation science proponent, chief.

Creation science is a contradiction in terms ... and for that matter, science can take a hike.

And yet you will see that I have no asked you the same question that I have asked Hieronymus.

So, uh... you can take a hike.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It's a miracle.

How are we supposed to factor God in to a question?
If you cannot sincerely answer this question, then just say so.

 

[RickG]

Unless I'm wrong, deists believe God caused the Big Bang, then retreated into the background and is watching it unfold.

so? Does that exclude them from heaven?

 

[RickG]

God orchestrated the Flood.

Orchestrated? I've done some orchestration myself.

 

[AV1611VET]

so? Does that exclude them from heaven?

Yes.

 

[AV1611VET]

Orchestrated? I've done some orchestration myself.

Not like God has.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes.

Why?

 

[RickG]

That's just total bunk.

Yes, the creation science idea of catastrophism is total bunk.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why?

You know why.

 

[RickG]

I agree.

Catastrophism is a major doctrine, and is the opposite of uniformitarianism.

Catastrophism involves accelerated plate tectonics. That is absolutely ridiculous.