"Life and its building blocks are way too complicated to have evolved." [moved]

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You know why.

Answer the question: why?

 

[AV1611VET]

Catastrophism involves accelerated plate tectonics. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Plate tectonics can take a hike.

 

[RickG]

One of my favorite comics:

I always think of the parting of the Red Sea when I look at this.

The red sea was never parted. It was the sea of reeds.

 

[RickG]

Plate tectonics can take a hike.

So you've gone over to the creation science side now?

 

[AV1611VET]

The red sea was never parted. It was the sea of reeds.

Pharaoh and his army drowned in the Sea of Reeds, did they?

 

[AV1611VET]

So you've gone over to the creation science side now?

Creation science can take a hike.

 

[RickG]

Pharaoh and his army drowned in the Sea of Reeds, did they?

Yam Suph is "Sea of Reeds", (suph by itself means 'reed', e.g. in Exodus 2:3). This was pointed out as early as the 11th century, by Rashi. (Wiki)

 

[RickG]

Creation science can take a hike.

Catastrophism is creation science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism

 

[Waterwerx]

I get it, me too. I like to remind evolutionists that, from listening to some of their nonsense, I understand it's perfectly reasonable to believe that they not only evolved from a monkey, but beyond the upright position, they haven't evolved much further. However, the reality is, that's just not an excuse for their lack of common sense because it simply didn't happen that way.

Seriously, I wouldn't waste any more time feeding the trolls. I counted at least 15 different alerts from the same individual under my alert tab in under 24 hours, at which point I just ignored them. The fact that some of these atheists come to a Christian forum, obsessively argue their non-Christian point, and obviously have no regard for the Bible, should be a clear enough indicator of a troll. Let's not continue to feed them.

 

[bhsmte]

Seriously, I wouldn't waste any more time feeding the trolls. I counted at least 15 different alerts from the same individual under my alert tab in under 24 hours, at which point I just ignored them. The fact that some of these atheists come to a Christian forum, obsessively argue their non-Christian point, and obviously have no regard for the Bible, should be a clear enough indicator of a troll. Let's not continue to feed them.

This is the science forum, where non Christians are allowed to post. Science will be discussed here. If it bothers you that others disagree with you, you can always post in the Christian only section.

 

[USincognito]

Seriously, I wouldn't waste any more time feeding the trolls. I counted at least 15 different alerts from the same individual under my alert tab in under 24 hours, at which point I just ignored them. The fact that some of these atheists come to a Christian forum, obsessively argue their non-Christian point, and obviously have no regard for the Bible, should be a clear enough indicator of a troll. Let's not continue to feed them.

Ah, in addition to science you don't understand what the phrase Internet troll means.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yam Suph is "Sea of Reeds", (suph by itself means 'reed', e.g. in Exodus 2:3). This was pointed out as early as the 11th century, by Rashi. (Wiki)

Pharaoh and his army drowned in the Sea of Reeds, did they?

 

[AV1611VET]

Catastrophism is creation science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism

Perhaps you could show me in that link where it is.

I ran a search on both "science" and "creation science" and didn't come up with it.

 

[doubtingmerle]

You didn't answer my question: how do we factor God in to an equation?

Multiply by God/God?

 

[SteveB28]

Yam Suph is "Sea of Reeds", (suph by itself means 'reed', e.g. in Exodus 2:3). This was pointed out as early as the 11th century, by Rashi. (Wiki)

He will tell Rashi that he "can take a hike"................

 

[-57]

Okay, so if you had 400 generations of ancestors, . . . Let's just take the low frequency mutations, since they couldn't have been present in Adam and Eve, and ignore the really rare ones, since they could have occurred after the population got large. Let's say those that are between 1% and 10% in the modern population. You're carrying roughly half a million genetic variants in that frequency range. Now remember, these had to occur while the population was still really small -- less than a few hundred, and that certainly wasn't true at any time in recorded history, say for the last 4500 years (180 generations). That leave 220 generations, meaning your ancestors were accumulating ~2000 mutations per generation. That's about 40 times higher than the actual human mutation rate, and would undoubtedly be lethal. So no, that doesn't seem very likely. (In reality, the bulk of higher frequency variants would also have to be the result of mutations, meaning the actual mutation would have to have been more like 5000 mutations per generation. And how did the population jump from a few hundred to tens of millions overnight, anyway?)

There's a reason professional creationists avoid ever actually explaining any genetic data.

The would depend upon the accuracy inwhich you base your mutation rate upon.
Where did you develope your mutation rate from?

 

[SteveB28]

The would depend upon the accuracy inwhich you base your mutation rate upon.
Where did you develope your mutation rate from?

No, it really doesn't. The lower estimate of around 50 mutations per generation in humans results in that "40 times" anomaly. Even if we took a higher estimate of 100 mutations/generation, this still requires a rate in that early population around 20 times greater.

Please explain how that early population survived........without employing magic spells, of course.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Seriously, I wouldn't waste any more time feeding the trolls. I counted at least 15 different alerts from the same individual under my alert tab in under 24 hours, at which point I just ignored them. The fact that some of these atheists come to a Christian forum, obsessively argue their non-Christian point, and obviously have no regard for the Bible, should be a clear enough indicator of a troll. Let's not continue to feed them.

I agree to a point on wasting time, but it's a step above RPG's when it comes to something to occupying the mind....sometimes.

Though it can be a little perplexing why they even come to a Christian forum, I think their may be a little more to it than just trolling. Many would disagree, but I think it can be anywhere from genuinely searching, searching when they don't realize they are, right up to actually trying to be a PITA troll...sole purpose. The problem with the latter of those is if they were convinced there was no God, why bother, just leave is in our ignorance...it should be obvious to them by now there is no hope of pulling us out of our terrible fate of trying to do good and be good, whether we are living a delusion or not. That part just adds to the confusion as to what IS their purpose here.

Conclusion to the perplexing, I think they all know God is there...it's ingrained. I won't go into all their possible agenda's for being here, their may be a few, some I'm likely aware of, and some maybe not...or maybe there is a simple, single big picture..

I will say I've asked them on a few occasions, and often they seem very unsure as to why they're here...makes no more sense to them than it does to some of us.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The purpose was to remind readers that you have a track record of refusing to address evidence and admitting that you don't understand said evidence, it seems your participation in these threads is purely to derail and obfuscate. That quote was from a thread specifically created to provide you with evidence which you consequently hand waved away or ignored, preferring instead to fall back on your vacuous rhetoric. If you want evidence for evolution please go back to that thread.

Yet the truth of the matter was, I waved my hand because as I saw it, the evidence fell apart at the onset, or no one could/would explain how what little was brought forth was evidence at all...no more to it.

Also, on more than one occasion I've asked evidence be brought to the table for examination, offered to address it as I did the prior, and was met with mostly excuses and few takers. And I do get why that is, but don't just lie about it and try to trow it back on me, I did what I could to offer you all the opportunity.

So what you are saying there is far from the actual truth...but no surprise...more desperate attempts from the losing end.

 

[SteveB28]

Yet the truth of the matter was, I waved my hand because as I saw it, the evidence fell apart at the onset, or no one could/would explain how what little was brought forth was evidence at all...no more to it.

Also, on more than one occasion I've asked evidence be brought to the table for examination, offered to address it as I did the prior, and was met with mostly excuses and few takers. And I do get why that is, but don't just lie about it and try to trow it back on me, I did what I could to offer you all the opportunity.

So what you are saying there is far from the actual truth...but no surprise...more desperate attempts from the losing end.

So, you are given evidence, you wave it away, then you whine that no one has produced any evidence!

Excuse me, but tell us again about honesty.........?