origins of the religious right

[redleghunter]

A certain portion of the right wing has always endorsed segregation and racism. That exists to this day, and Trump is taking advantage of it, courting the racists in nearly all of speeches. They are undeniably a significant part of his base.

Define right wing? Define courting. You continue your generalizations as if real people are some sort of IOS app.

 

[redleghunter]

Wow, are you off base. All you did was give someone's opinion, someone who was trying to make excuses for what Atwater said, much like Trump surrogates try to make excuses for what Trump says.

No I gave a complete resource which completely showed the quotes Q and A of the interview. You manipulated two out of context quotes and put them together.

Sorry, I don't have time for political hacks. You are quite exposed.

 

[J Cord]

Define right wing? Define courting. You continue your generalizations as if real people are some sort of IOS app.

Just so know, this kind of information is what is generally known as "common knowledge," that means you don't need to give a definition because everyone knows (or should know) what they mean.

If you need help, you can find a good definition of "Right Wing" in wikipedia. As for words, like "courting", you can use a dictionary, many are available online.

For instance, here is a definition of "court" I copied and pasted. Can you see which of the two usages I used?

court
kôrt/
verb
dated
gerund or present participle: courting
be involved with romantically, typically with the intention of marrying.
"he was courting a girl from the neighboring farm"
synonyms: go out with, pursue, run after, chase; More
informaldate, see, go steady with;
datedwoo, set one's cap for, romance, seek the hand of
"he's courting her sister"

• (of a male bird or other animal) try to attract (a mate).
• pay special attention to (someone) in an attempt to win their support or favor.
  "Western politicians courted the leaders of the newly independent states"
  synonyms: curry favor with, cultivate, try to win over, make up to, ingratiate oneself with; More

 

[J Cord]

No I gave a complete resource which completely showed the quotes Q and A of the interview. You manipulated two out of context quotes and put them together.

Sorry, I don't have time for political hacks. You are quite exposed.

You must have missed the EDIT I made to post #59. It is Michael Steele and he says you are completely wrong. Here it is again:

Let's put this baby to bed. Here is Michael Steele, head of the RNC, from a speech at DePaul University, posted in Huffington Post:

Michael Steele: For Decades GOP Pursued 'Southern Strategy' That Alienated Minorities

During his remarks he also acknowledged that for decades the GOP pursued “‘Southern Strategy’

Steele went on to make a candid statement about how the disconnect between Republicans and minorities is not new and has been a part of the party’s strategy for years.

So, who to believe, some random internet poster, or the RNC Chair? Pretty obvious eh?

redleghunter, at least you've learned something, so that's a good thing. Now we can have a discussion about racism and the Origin of the Religious Right based on facts, which is also a good thing. As well, you don't need to ask why Trump is part of the conversation, you know why.

Thanks for the conversation.

 

[J Cord]

You continue your generalizations as if real people are some sort of IOS app.

If I made generalizations inappropriately, I apologize, but I sincerely don't think I did. Could you please point them out?

 

[redleghunter]

members of the KKK swear to uphold Christian morality

So does the Catechism of the Catholic Church. But I don't go running around calling Catholics racists. See the disconnect?

Please this is truly an immature approach to how real people vote and react to information.

 

[J Cord]

So does the Catechism of the Catholic Church. But I don't go running around calling Catholics racists. See the disconnect?

You aren't making an sense whatsoever. The KKK is a white supremacist group, the Catholic Church is not. Do you understand what a White Supremacist group is?

Please this is truly an immature approach to how real people vote and react to information.

Yeah, me quoting Michael Steele apologizing for the Republican party using the Southern Strategy, and thus showing your attempted justifications of the Lee Atwater's damning quote to be nonsense, was "immature". Do you honestly think name calling is the best way for you to handle a loss?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yeah, me quoting Michael Steele apologizing for the Republican party using the Southern Strategy, and thus showing your attempted justifications of the Lee Atwater's damning quote to be nonsense, was "immature". Do you honestly think name calling is the best way for you to handle a loss?

Do you keep track of your "wins and losses"?

 

[redleghunter]

You must have missed the EDIT I made to post #59. It is Michael Steele and he says you are completely wrong. Here it is again:

Let's put this baby to bed. Here is Michael Steele, head of the RNC, from a speech at DePaul University, posted in Huffington Post:

Michael Steele: For Decades GOP Pursued 'Southern Strategy' That Alienated Minorities

During his remarks he also acknowledged that for decades the GOP pursued “‘Southern Strategy’

Steele went on to make a candid statement about how the disconnect between Republicans and minorities is not new and has been a part of the party’s strategy for years.

So, who to believe, some random internet poster, or the RNC Chair? Pretty obvious eh?

Steele had some very valid points. None of which indicted the party as racists. As crony capitalists? Yes I would agree, but that is endemic in both parties now. Now go back to the full interview Q&A of Atwater I linked. You are applying motive where there is none. If you want to apply a motive of class warfare, then that is quite valid. And again both parties are guilty as charged for polarizing the electorate with class warfare rhetoric. This election cycle class warfare is a back burner issue as both the left and right have anti-establishment movements. Clearly seen in the campaigns of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. People are voting against something this Presidential election cycle, and not 'for' something. Evidence? Look at how much support third parties are getting this election cycle. If you add Gary Johnson et. al. third party candidates, they are polling somewhere between 13-18% depending on the poll. We have not seen such support for third parties since Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996.

There is something more at work here than what you tout as 'racism.' People are fed up with government which has been too intrusive in their personal lives, in their wallet and can't seem to keep any of their promises to fix things government should fix (roads, bridges and getting out of endless wars). Not to mention the declining workforce in the US. People 10 years ago who held full time jobs of 40 hours or more are either completely out of the workforce, or are trying to make ends meet working several part-time jobs at a lower skill level and salary. That is what has American voters of all races ticked off. That is why on the left and independent side Bernie Sanders was popular and why Trump on the right and independent side is popular. In the US people vote their pocketbooks in many Presidential elections. This one will be no different.

redleghunter, at least you've learned something, so that's a good thing. Now we can have a discussion about racism and the Origin of the Religious Right based on facts, which is also a good thing. As well, you don't need to ask why Trump is part of the conversation, you know why.

I am sorry to note you presented no facts but propaganda. You took quotes out of context and fabricated your own narrative. To boot, your comments have been monolithic in nature ignoring the available compendium of information available. Atwater explains the dynamic nature in the Q&A I linked.

The "Religious Right" is pejorative term demagogues use to demonize particular groups. I hope you realize that. There is no 'religousright.org' for us to go look at a statement of purpose and beliefs. The term was created by demagogues. Just as 'fundamentalist' is now used to demonize particular groups. Both are quite bigoted terms.

I know why Trump is part of the conversation. He as well as Hillary suffer from verbal dysentery. Here are the facts on voters with racist intent:

-Racists will vote for Trump
-Racists will vote for Clinton
-Racists will vote third party

By your reasoning all three of the above are appealing to racists because they have support from that group. By your reasoning if a nun from the Little Sisters of the Poor votes for Trump because he advocates appointing justices who are pro-life in outlook, then she must be a racist.

Eye meet beam.

 

[redleghunter]

If I made generalizations inappropriately, I apologize, but I sincerely don't think I did. Could you please point them out?

Already did.

 

[redleghunter]

You aren't making an sense whatsoever. The KKK is a white supremacist group, the Catholic Church is not. Do you understand what a White Supremacist group is?

Yes the KKK is a white racist supremacist group. Your quote indicated they "swear to uphold Christian morality." So does the CCC. So what's your point?

Yeah, me quoting Michael Steele apologizing for the Republican party using the Southern Strategy, and thus showing your attempted justifications of the Lee Atwater's damning quote to be nonsense, was "immature". Do you honestly think name calling is the best way for you to handle a loss?

Lee Atwater's full Q&A is quite clear. I linked it for all to observe and review if they wish. Yes that one quote which is actually words taken from two different quotes is not Atwater's position at all if you read the entire interview.

Was not name calling. Your assertions were immature. Meaning they needed more fleshing out and omitted valid data you may have ignored. Or you knew the information and consciously omitted offering it up. I will be more than happy to retract 'immature' for incomplete.

"Loss?" You have to get out of the dugout first. I'm still warming up on the mound waiting for the first batter.

However, I truly enjoyed the 'pre game' discussions.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Batter Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[J Cord]

Yes the KKK is a white racist supremacist group. Your quote indicated they "swear to uphold Christian morality." So does the CCC. So what's your point?

I made my point. Read the post.

Lee Atwater's full Q&A is quite clear. I linked it for all to observe and review if they wish. Yes that one quote which is actually words taken from two different quotes is not Atwater's position at all if you read the entire interview.

That is the "Southern Strategy," that is clearly what Michael Steele the chair of the RNC was talking about in his speech, so I'm going to believe the chair of the RNC as to actual Republican strategy.

Was not name calling. Your assertions were immature. Meaning they needed more fleshing out and omitted valid data you may have ignored. Or you knew the information and consciously omitted offering it up. I will be more than happy to retract 'immature' for incomplete.

I quoted Michael Steele, the chair of the RNC, apologizing for the Republican party using the Southern Strategy, the same one Lee Atwater is quoted talking about. You can make all the claims you want, quote all the random internet conspiracy theorists you want, but any reasonable person is going to go with Michael Steele's interpretation of the Southern Strategy. When you're talking about the meaning of the Southern Strategy, that's not an argument that needs fleshing out, that's about as complete an argument as one could hope for, short of having Lee Atwater himself appear on the forum.

 

[redleghunter]

A certain portion of the right wing has always endorsed segregation and racism. That exists to this day, and Trump is taking advantage of it, courting the racists in nearly all of speeches. They are undeniably a significant part of his base.

You wanted an example of generalizations? Here's one.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Portion is a very general term. Now, if he could define them by sex, income, education, age, etc then the word "portion" could be dispensed with and it no longer becomes a generalization.

 

[redleghunter]

I said "do you agree or disagree that a significant part of Trump's base is made up of racists?"

I would have to disagree. As I disagree with some colleagues who believe 'baby killers only vote for Democrats.'

It is actually a futile pursuit of yours to think you can get inside the heads of people and know what they think "they are racists" and how they truly vote. Maybe you have a "thought police" in Canada but we don't here.

 

[redleghunter]

I quoted Michael Steele, the chair of the RNC, apologizing for the Republican party using the Southern Strategy, the same one Lee Atwater is quoted talking about. You can make all the claims you want, quote all the random internet conspiracy theorists you want, but any reasonable person is going to go with Michael Steele's interpretation of the Southern Strategy.

And neither Steele nor Atwater pegged racism as 'the' Southern Strategy. You inserted racism in the discussion.

 

[redleghunter]

Is he religious in any meaningful way, or has he just claimed some sort of belief so as not to lose votes from devout citizens?

Frankly, I don't think any overtures of his faith or religious devotion counts that much with voters. I was raised Roman Catholic and now Evangelical and can read through the candidates use of posturing. We vote for President not national pastor.

As it stands, 'on paper', Trump is Presbyterian and Clinton is Methodist. My personal opinion is that when either of them enter a church, to use a term my dear Irish mom used to say to by brother, "the rafters start to rattle and crumble."

 

[Uncle Siggy]

So, there are racists that are "part" of the religious right therefore the religious right is racist?
That is a logical fallacy and not worth discussing.....

You have to remember if one person on the right is racist that means all people on the right are racist, and if all but one on the Left is racist that means none of them are racist, get it???

 

[civilwarbuff]

You have to remember if one person on the right is racist that means all people on the right are racist, and if all but one on the Left is racist that means none of them are racist, get it???

I will try really hard...