Real time or evo time?

[dad]

Despite the fact that all available evidence from reality indicates that tectonic drift has been going on for billions of years.

Post a piece or two of said evidence and we will see unbridled religion at play.

All you are doing is starting with your conclusion and trying to fit your baseless ideas into the conclusion you started with. That's a terrible way to find things out.

Science does that exactly by basing all things regarding origins on the same state past.

So that's a no, you can't explain what caused it to happen, or how it happened, or why it isn't still happening.

Jesus. He created, He changed things and will change the universe and world soon. Science offers unbelief in drag.

Why aren't animals still rapidly changing today, dad?

In the present state it doesn't work that way obviously, why would they be??

Why aren't the continents racing around the world today, dad? You can't answer this, can you?

Simple, the dividing in Peleg's day probably included the continents, for many reasons all having to do with man, and how God needed to deal with him.

 

[dad]

Citation needed.

The way we know Jesus sent the flood and created the world etc is Scripture.

There is no evidence for your flood.

That depends, I consider pock marks on the moon and planets evidence! I consider the iridium in the KT layer evidence! I consider the population numbers of earth and historical migration patterns of man and animals evidence! I consider worldwide legends of a big flood evidence. I also consider the Scripture whereby Jesus rose from being very very very dead to be evidence! I also consider the weak and vile fables and stories of so called science to be evidence that they have no clue what they are yapping about. Dumb dogs of so called science.

There is no evidence for angels. There is no evidence of a change of nature.

Most people on earth believe in angels if I recall the surveys. The experiences of man through ages cry out to us that there is something real there. As for a change in nature, well, that is simple, we compare the present with the record of the past from the One who created it all. Science can't do that, it ignores and defies and omits God from all their little knowledge. Therefore they know not and know not even that they know not!

I've done so, countless times.

Settled then, all you offer at all times is ungodly same state past religion and denial that it is all you worship and embrace.

Prove to me that any explanation MUST fit scripture and I'll provide them.

If you wish to step out from the truth of His word to man, then at least show some evidence for your fables other than faith based hooey, and false bravado.

No, we evolved brains.

Prove it. You were not there. brains are overrated anyhow. ..Man is more than brains!

And if he did as you suggest, why are there so many different religious positions? Why is his message so garbled?

Because people chose evil and darkness over light and good. Even after the flood it wasn't long before they were following Obama's predecessor, Nimrod, into a plethora of false gods and religions all treated as equal or better than the truth!

Yeah, I didn't write any of that stuff you are replying to here. Care to actually use the quote tags to properly attribute your quotes to RealityCheck01 in post 634?

Hey, if I took the time to post some cool stuff, you should avail yourself of it, regardless of who else it was written for.

 

[AirPo]

Posting it won't help you here.

It helps when I need a laugh. .

 

[AirPo]

Simple, the same way life spans got shorter and trees started to take a long time to grow, etc etc...God changed nature probably.

See, it is easy to make things up.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Bingo, so find another 'proof' for time being the same as here out there.

I am not an idiot - I know science has no proofs. So I will provide you with scientific evidence that the laws of physics have been the same at least hundreds of thousands of years which is the topic, e.g. Newtonian gravitation being valid.

1. Planets and other bodies in the Solar System have been in orbit for billions of years supports that Newtonian gravitation has been valid for billions of years.
2. The Oklo natural nuclear fission reactor shows that the nuclear physics involved in fission has been unchanged for about 1.7 billion years.
3. The Sun working for about 5 billion years that the nuclear physics involved in fusion has been unchanged for about 5 billion years.
4. 21 July 2016 dad: Stars demonstrate laws of physics that have not changed measurably over changes of billons of years.

The science is that time is not "the same as here out there". Any objects moving with a different speed relative to us has a different time - this is the extremely well tested Special Relativity. Any objects in a different gravitational filed relative to us has a different time - this is the extremely well tested General Relativity.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Says you.

Says the real world of science where scientists test their assumptions. followed by oh so much ignorance and fantasy in one post, dad, which needs recording !
22 July 2016 dad: An assertion that we do not know how the Sun works.
22 July 2016 dad: The assertion that "Stars may be small for all we know" when we have measured their sizes!
The Sun is a star - we have measured its size. We also measure the sizes of other stars. This is something that I was involved with in a very distant way about 30 years ago. Observing an object occluding a star allows its size to be determined. There is this object called the Moon and it occludes stars. So pointing a telescope at the edge of the Moon and looking at the light from the stars it occludes allows a calculation of how big they are. Way back then a project using a PDP 11? minicomputer by my university astronomy department did this and the computer was repurposed for my Honors physics project.

 

[RealityCheck01]

done

Fact less fantasies do not address my post 21 July 2016 dad: Stars demonstrate laws of physics that have not changed measurably over changes of billons of years.

 

[RealityCheck01]

All wrong on that one, they believe..not test. Name one test.

All ignorant about science which is about evidence, not belief, dad, and make any cited test moot - you will deny it or maybe not understand it.

Another thing about debate (especially in science) that you seem not to know is that it is up to the proposer of an idea to provide evidence supporting that idea. That is what you have not been doing, dad. There is evidence that the laws of physics have not measurably changed but that has no bearing in your total failure so far to give any evidence that they have measurably changed.

Fantasies are not an answer to 21 July 2016 dad: What changes in/replacement of the laws of physics will make ice cores not be natural calendars extending back 420,000 years?
Maybe you know enough physics to able to answer something more specific:
22 July 2016 dad: What changes to the laws of physics will change the carbon dating that goes back ~50,000 years to different dates?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The way we know Jesus sent the flood and created the world etc is Scripture.
That depends, I consider pock marks on the moon and planets evidence! I consider the iridium in the KT layer evidence! I consider the population numbers of earth and historical migration patterns of man and animals evidence! I consider worldwide legends of a big flood evidence. I also consider the Scripture whereby Jesus rose from being very very very dead to be evidence! I also consider the weak and vile fables and stories of so called science to be evidence that they have no clue what they are yapping about. Dumb dogs of so called science....................

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Yeah, I didn't write any of that stuff you are replying to here. Care to actually use the quote tags to properly attribute your quotes to RealityCheck01 in post 634?

Hey, if I took the time to post some cool stuff, you should avail yourself of it, regardless of who else it was written for.

Can't argue with that LOL.

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[Kylie]

Post a piece or two of said evidence and we will see unbridled religion at play.

Already have done, many timesin the past.

But if you are so determined to dismiss any argument I put forward on the grounds that you just don't like it, what does that say about you? It seems to me that any intellectually honest person would judge the argument on the argument itself, and not on whether it agrees with their worldview or not!

Science does that exactly by basing all things regarding origins on the same state past.

Yeah, you don't know how science works.

Jesus. He created, He changed things and will change the universe and world soon. Science offers unbelief in drag.

That's not an explanation, it's a claim, with no support to it at all.

In the present state it doesn't work that way obviously, why would they be??

So then they evolved rapidly in the past state then?

Simple, the dividing in Peleg's day probably included the continents, for many reasons all having to do with man, and how God needed to deal with him.

This does not explain why the continents are not still racing around today.

 

[Kylie]

The way we know Jesus sent the flood and created the world etc is Scripture.

So you assume that the Bible is true so you can use it for evidence to support your worldview. Then you conclude that your worldview is accurate and use that to claim that the Bible must therefore be true.

You ever get dizzy running around in those circles?

That depends, I consider pock marks on the moon and planets evidence!

Wow, you really think the flood was that deep?

REALLY?!?!?!?!

I consider the iridium in the KT layer evidence!

Please explain how it is evidence?

I consider the population numbers of earth and historical migration patterns of man and animals evidence!

Please provide these population numbers and explain how they indicate a worldwide flood.

I consider worldwide legends of a big flood evidence.

Lots of stories about the same thing means that the thing must be true?

I also consider the Scripture whereby Jesus rose from being very very very dead to be evidence!

How do you know that the scripture is accurate?

I also consider the weak and vile fables and stories of so called science to be evidence that they have no clue what they are yapping about.

And yet you see no hypocrisy in using scientific knowledge every single day, do you?

Dumb dogs of so called science.

Wow, you really have issues. No need to resort to name calling.

Most people on earth believe in angels if I recall the surveys. The experiences of man through ages cry out to us that there is something real there. As for a change in nature, well, that is simple, we compare the present with the record of the past from the One who created it all. Science can't do that, it ignores and defies and omits God from all their little knowledge. Therefore they know not and know not even that they know not!

Rubbish. Those people think of angels as guys in white robes playing harps, an image not supported by the Bible.

However, the Bible describes angels very differently. They can have six wings, or burning eyes.

And Cherubim look even weirder.

People only believe in what they have been told, and that is not always the truth. This is something you must learn.

Settled then, all you offer at all times is ungodly same state past religion and denial that it is all you worship and embrace.

All you offer is unsupported claims.

If you wish to step out from the truth of His word to man, then at least show some evidence for your fables other than faith based hooey, and false bravado.

Wow, that's a tired old thing from you. I ask you to support your position, and the only thing you can do is act like I need to support my claim and if I don't, your claim wins by default.

You have no actual idea what support really is, do you?

Prove it. You were not there. brains are overrated anyhow. ..Man is more than brains!

First of all, there is here. So yes, I was there.

Second of all, there is a huge amount of evidence to support the evolution of the brain.

Thirdly, when did I ever say that people were nothing more than brains?

(And why does it not surprise me to hear you claim that brains are over-rated?)

Because people chose evil and darkness over light and good. Even after the flood it wasn't long before they were following Obama's predecessor, Nimrod, into a plethora of false gods and religions all treated as equal or better than the truth!

And isn't it lucky for you that you managed to find the right one! Amazing!

Hey, if I took the time to post some cool stuff, you should avail yourself of it, regardless of who else it was written for.

HA! Cool!

 

[AirPo]

But if you are so determined to dismiss any argument I put forward on the grounds that you just don't like it, what does that say about you?

Why, the second law of The HI Theory, never underestimate the power of the .

 

[dad]

It helps when I need a laugh. .

Wish I could say the same, your posting empty spam with no content whatsoever got old years ago.

 

[dad]

See, it is easy to make things up.

You don't even do that, all you do is beat the wind aimlessly.

 

[dad]

I am not an idiot - I know science has no proofs.

Much like Aesop's fables then I guess.

So I will provide you with scientific evidence that the laws of physics have been the same at least hundreds of thousands of years which is the topic, e.g. Newtonian gravitation being valid.

1. Planets and other bodies in the Solar System have been in orbit for billions of years supports that Newtonian gravitation has been valid for billions of years.

Try to learn the difference between fooish unfounded empty claims and stories and evidence.

1. The Oklo natural nuclear fission reactor shows that the nuclear physics involved in fission has been unchanged for about 1.7 billion years.

Hey want to get it on about Oklo? I am all over that one. We could start with the magic elevator ride they claim, that wafted the sites there miles down, at just the right time. Convenient, one might think. One does get suspicious though when the same folks also claim, that just when it was thr right time, the sites were brought miles up to the surface again!! Talk about pathetic story telling.

1. The Sun working for about 5 billion years that the nuclear physics involved in fusion has been unchanged for about 5 billion years.

You might as well say Jack in the Beanstalk farted out the world. Silly unfounded stories.

1. 21 July 2016 dad: Stars demonstrate laws of physics that have not changed measurably over changes of billons of years.

Actually they do nothing of the foolish sort, they scream out about the glory of Jesus, the creator.

The science is that time is not "the same as here out there". Any objects moving with a different speed relative to us has a different time - this is the extremely well tested Special Relativity.

You think that applies from earth to the stars!!?

Any objects in a different gravitational filed relative to us has a different time - this is the extremely well tested General Relativity.

Nah, we ain't talking about different time zones inside the earth fishbowl here. You need something that applies to the far universe. Now if you want to claim that an airplane clock does that...well, good luck with that.

 

[dad]

Already have done, many timesin the past.

Keep pretending all you like, we can read your posts, and see what they contain.

But if you are so determined to dismiss any argument I put forward on the grounds that you just don't like it, what does that say about you? It seems to me that any intellectually honest person would judge the argument on the argument itself, and not on whether it agrees with their worldview or not!

One must dismiss religious nonsense that has no proof, no evidence, and flies directly in the face of God.

Yeah, you don't know how science works.

I know you are but what am I?

That's not an explanation, it's a claim, with no support to it at all.

False, a man was witnessed to come back from death, and decay, that is support. Science can't say yeah or nay to it.

So then they evolved rapidly in the past state then?

I believe they did...all starting from the first created kinds.

This does not explain why the continents are not still racing around today.

Why would they? I mean I do not see a world wide flood now or men living 1000 years or trees growing in a week, etc etc either.

 

[Kylie]

Keep pretending all you like, we can read your posts, and see what they contain.

That's all you can really do, isn't it? Belittle my posts and pretend that I don't make arguments.

One must dismiss religious nonsense that has no proof, no evidence, and flies directly in the face of God.

Of course. You have to dismiss anything that contradicts your beliefs, otherwise you would have to face the fact that your beliefs could be wrong. Can't have that.

I know you are but what am I?

[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], really? Are you really this immature? You really think anyone finds you convincing when you reply like this?

False, a man was witnessed to come back from death, and decay, that is support. Science can't say yeah or nay to it.

No he didn't. You have old texts that say it happened, but I have old texts that say that a mouse helped pull a thorn out of a lion's paw.

I believe they did...all starting from the first created kinds.

You have any evidence for that?

Why would they? I mean I do not see a world wide flood now or men living 1000 years or trees growing in a week, etc etc either.

They would, because your own argument says that after the state change the continents moved rapidly.

 

[dad]

So you assume that the Bible is true so you can use it for evidence to support your worldview. Then you conclude that your worldview is accurate and use that to claim that the Bible must therefore be true.

The bible we know to be true, not assume. Just like we know Jesus is alive and prayer is real, etc.

Wow, you really think the flood was that deep?

I think that the continental move was post flood, so what is deep now, might be pushed down, or otherwise affected by the worldwide turmoil of the state change.

Please provide these population numbers and explain how they indicate a worldwide flood.

If there were a few hundred people 5000 years ago, we would see about what we have today as far as population goes.

Lots of stories about the same thing means that the thing must be true?



How do you know that the scripture is accurate?



And yet you see no hypocrisy in using scientific knowledge every single day, do you?

No knowledge or science deals with creation issues, so no one uses it ever, anywhere or ever has or ever will. The actual science and knowledge man uses is totally unconnected and unrelated in any ay whatsoever to origins claims of science.

Rubbish. Those people think of angels as guys in white robes playing harps, an image not supported by the Bible.

Not all angels are God's. The fact that spirits are universally accepted almost, is evidence spirits exist.

However, the Bible describes angels very differently. They can have six wings, or burning eyes.

God's angels. They also can be in disguise so we would not know we encounted them, or entertained them.

And Cherubim look even weirder.

Yet Gabriel looked like a man when he appeared to Daniel. Wasn't he one of those?

Wow, that's a tired old thing from you. I ask you to support your position, and the only thing you can do is act like I need to support my claim and if I don't, your claim wins by default.

Unless science claims can be validated and supported, they cannot challenge God's record.

You have no actual idea what support really is, do you?

Why not offer some for your fables of so called science and wow us?

First of all, there is here. So yes, I was there.

No, you were not there to see little animals or pond slime develop human brains. Really.

Second of all, there is a huge amount of evidence to support the evolution of the brain.

No, maybe the heads of early post flood man were different...nothing to do with pond slime. That probably had to do with the nature change, and man needed to adapt.

Thirdly, when did I ever say that people were nothing more than brains?

You seem to glorify brains as being the be all end all definition of man. Sort of what makes us different than say a wolf?

 

[Kylie]

The bible we know to be true, not assume. Just like we know Jesus is alive and prayer is real, etc.

No, you have wishful thinking. There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that the extraordinary claims in the Bible are true, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that prayer has no effect whatsoever.

I think that the continental move was post flood, so what is deep now, might be pushed down, or otherwise affected by the worldwide turmoil of the state change.

How did the flood reach the moon?

You seem to be completely incapable of answering a simple question.

If there were a few hundred people 5000 years ago, we would see about what we have today as far as population goes.

Your source and/or evidence for this claim?

No knowledge or science deals with creation issues, so no one uses it ever, anywhere or ever has or ever will. The actual science and knowledge man uses is totally unconnected and unrelated in any ay whatsoever to origins claims of science.

Of course. Science doesn't deal with mythology. Why do you think that means anything?

Not all angels are God's. The fact that spirits are universally accepted almost, is evidence spirits exist.

Really? Is argument from popularity the best you have?

The majority of people once thought the Earth was at the center of the solar system, and the sun and other planets orbited us. Was that claim true just because lots of people believed it? Or do you actually understand that ideas are not more valid if more people think they are true?

God's angels. They also can be in disguise so we would not know we encounted them, or entertained them.

How convenient for you that they are unfalsifable. Of course it means that the idea of them is meaningless.

Yet Gabriel looked like a man when he appeared to Daniel. Wasn't he one of those?

Where in the world do you get the idea that Gabriel was a cherubim? Really, cite your source for this, because I think you are either just making things up or you can't even keep your own story straight.

Unless science claims can be validated and supported, they cannot challenge God's record.

Science can and has.

Now it's your turn.

I bet you can't give one single shred of support for your position that does not come down to you waffling on about your perceived inadequacies of science, or demanding that it is science's position to provide evidence while you remain immune from the requirement for some reason.

Why not offer some for your fables of so called science and wow us?

Have done. You are blinded by your beliefs and I see no reason to waste my time.

No, you were not there to see little animals or pond slime develop human brains.

The record of human evolution is quite well documented.

No, maybe the heads of early post flood man were different...nothing to do with pond slime. That probably had to do with the nature change, and man needed to adapt.

See, this is one of those times where you'd actually know this is wrong if you actually understood science.

You seem to glorify brains as being the be all end all definition of man. Sort of what makes us different than say a wolf?

Actually, YOU were the one who brought up the topic of brains, back in post 650 when you claimed that God gave you a brain so that you would be able to say what God can and can't do.

Once again it seems you can't keep your own story straight.

 

[AirPo]

You don't even do that, all you do is beat the wind aimlessly.

I was responding to your post, which I agree, is aimless wind.