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Well, brother you may be a sinner, but do not included me in your misdeeds. For I was made free from sin(Romans 6:18 and Romans 6:22). For if you commit sin you are of the devil(1 John 3:8) If you are born of God, which I am and not the devil, you do not and cannot sin, it states this in the very next verse of 1 John 3:9. And everyone is born of God(1 John 4:7)! "Willful, deliberate, rebellious sinning is not the mark of a true believer." No it is a mark of a sinner, who is in error in their beliefs(James 5:20)!. "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death(He destroyed the devil), and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel"(2 Timothy 1:10). The Saviour of all men(1 Timothy 4:10)! You do realize that he saved everyone? When he was crucified, buried and was resurrected.

Thing is, you are picking passages out of the Bible to suit yourself and reading them out of context!

How can you say you are not a sinner?

Once saved always saved is quite false as God expects a follower to 'put the effort in' and if one sins to repent and seek forgiveness.

With Jesus, 'man' is given a way to be forgiven, to be absolved. It is through Jesus suffering and dying on the cross that opened the way for 'man' to be saved from sin. Does not mean that we can commit murder and get away with it!

We have to constantly turn to God and ask for forgiveness of our sins.
 
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Thing is, you are picking passages out of the Bible to suit yourself and reading them out of context!

How can you say you are not a sinner?

Once saved always saved is quite false as God expects a follower to 'put the effort in' and if one sins to repent and seek forgiveness.

With Jesus, 'man' is given a way to be forgiven, to be absolved. It is through Jesus suffering and dying on the cross that opened the way for 'man' to be saved from sin. Does not mean that we can commit murder and get away with it!

We have to constantly turn to God and ask for forgiveness of our sins.
And how can you say that you are with verse after verse stating that you are no longer a sinner? Do you not realize that Jesus Christ has payed the price for each and every ones sin? In the word of God if you tell a lie, you are no better that a murder, thief, etc. "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all"(James 2:10). So if you lie you are also a murder according to the law, that is why Jesus Christ abolished, blotted it out. God created all men equal, and if he died, he died for all(2 Corinthians 5:14-15).
 
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And how can you say that you are with verse after verse stating that you are no longer a sinner? Do you not realize that Jesus Christ has payed the price for each and every ones sin? In the word of God if you tell a lie, you are no better that a murder, thief, etc. "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all"(James 2:10). So if you lie you are also a murder according to the law, that is why Jesus Christ abolished, blotted it out. God created all men equal, and if he died, he died for all(2 Corinthians 5:14-15).

I have not stated i am no longer a sinner! Look under my avatar!

Are you a sinner buddy?

Do 'you' need to repent to be forgiven?
 
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I have not stated i am no longer a sinner! Look under my avatar!

Are you a sinner buddy?

Do 'you' need to repent to be forgiven?
REALLY, Dude I have stated that I do not sin and cannot sin, I have been made free from sin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And given you the verses of God's own word of the scripture stating so(1 John 3:9 and Romans 6:18 and Romans 6:22). I have repented, and it is a one time decision!
 
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I have not stated i am no longer a sinner! Look under my avatar!

Are you a sinner buddy?

Do 'you' need to repent to be forgiven?
You do realize that every time that you repent you crucify Jesus Christ afresh and put him to an open shame? Hebrews 6:6.
 
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Well, brother you may be a sinner, but do not included me in your misdeeds. For I was made free from sin(Romans 6:18 and Romans 6:22). For if you commit sin you are of the devil(1 John 3:8) If you are born of God, which I am and not the devil, you do not and cannot sin, it states this in the very next verse of 1 John 3:9. And everyone is born of God(1 John 4:7)! "Willful, deliberate, rebellious sinning is not the mark of a true believer." No it is a mark of a sinner, who is in error in their beliefs(James 5:20)!. "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death(He destroyed the devil), and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel"(2 Timothy 1:10). The Saviour of all men(1 Timothy 4:10)! You do realize that he saved everyone? When he was crucified, buried and was resurrected.

I never said I was a sinner. I've been made free from the penalty of sin. But like you, I still fall short of perfection. Falling short of God's perfect standard is what sin is. My identity is as a Saint in Christ. But that doesn't mean I'm without failings. And those failings, however small, miss the mark of God's perfect standard. In that sense, I still "sin."

Here's a sin God hates: Arrogant (haughty) eyes: This describes a feeling of pride and looking down upon others. Even a hint of this sort of thing is sinful. We ought not to think more highly of ourselves. A humble spirit is honoring to God.

Here's another: A man who stirs up dissension among brothers: Brothers are created by God to live in unity (Psalm 133:1;1 Thessalonians 4:9).

I see this sort of thing happening a lot from professing Christians. We are going to disagree on certain matters. It's how we disagree that matters.

I'll leave you with this: I John 1:8 "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." John is writing to Christians.
 
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I did not know that. I'm not surprised however. Tolerant Hollywood and all.

i was shocked that he got fired for giving his opinion.

kinda' scary that he was fired, not for his performance, but for giving his opinion at a political rally.

Whoever fired him needs to be held accountable for violating his rights and sticking their nose where it doesn't belong...
 
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i was shocked that he got fired for giving his opinion.

kinda' scary that he was fired, not for his performance, but for giving his opinion at a political rally.

Whoever fired him needs to be held accountable for violating his rights and sticking their nose where it doesn't belong...
Read The Silencing by Kirsten Powers. His firing fits the tactics of the (as she calls them) illiberal left.
 
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I never said I was a sinner. I've been made free from the penalty of sin. But like you, I still fall short of perfection. Falling short of God's perfect standard is what sin is. My identity is as a Saint in Christ. But that doesn't mean I'm without failings. And those failings, however small, miss the mark of God's perfect standard. In that sense, I still "sin."

Hebrews 10:14 "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified(made Holy)." Read Hebrews 10:10 to see who he sanctified(ALL).

Here's a sin God hates: Arrogant (haughty) eyes: This describes a feeling of pride and looking down upon others. Even a hint of this sort of thing is sinful. We ought not to think more highly of ourselves. A humble spirit is honoring to God.
If you look at others as being better than you or less than you is when you commit sin(James 2:9). Remember God created all men equal?

Here's another: A man who stirs up dissension among brothers: Brothers are created by God to live in unity (Psalm 133:1;1 Thessalonians 4:9).
We are in unity of the faith, which is love.

I see this sort of thing happening a lot from professing Christians. We are going to disagree on certain matters. It's how we disagree that matters.
What you call a professing Christian if they commit sin are not Christians for they have never seen or known Christ(1 John 3:6). They are of the devil(1 John 3:8). God does not hear them(John 9:31), are ungodly(Jude 1:15).

I'll leave you with this: I John 1:8 "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." John is writing to Christians.
Yes, and later on in 1 John what is he telling us. You are reading a verse from the first part of 1 John and not taking all of 1 John into context 1 John 3:9 is after what has stated in 1 John 1:8. I do not say that we are with out sin, for all have sinned(Romans 3:23) but that our sin was hung on the cross, were it should be left there. Realize that the Bible(a book of many books) is like any book, it has a beginning, middle and end.
 
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Yes, and later on in 1 John what is he telling us. You are reading a verse from the first part of 1 John and not taking all of 1 John into context 1 John 3:9 is after what has stated in 1 John 1:8. I do not say that we are with out sin, for all have sinned(Romans 3:23) but that our sin was hung on the cross, were it should be left there. Realize that the Bible(a book of many books) is like any book, it has a beginning, middle and end.

So then, from the moment of your salvation, you haven't fallen short even a microscopic measure? You've lived a perfect sinless life from that very moment? As sinless as Christ?
 
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So then, from the moment of your salvation, you haven't fallen short even a microscopic measure?
Jude 1:24.

You've lived a perfect sinless life from that very moment?
Brother you, me and every other person were free from our first breath. Before the foundation of the world we were predestinated to do the things that we have or will do(Romans 8:28-30).

As sinless as Christ?
For I dwell in him, and He dwells in me(John 6:54-56).
 
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For I dwell in him, and He dwells in me(John 6:54-56).
You didn't answer my question.

*So then, from the moment of your salvation, you haven't fallen short even a microscopic measure? Answer yes or no.
*You've lived a perfect sinless life from that very moment? Answer yes or no.
*As sinless as Christ? Answer yes or no.
 
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You didn't answer my question.

*So then, from the moment of your salvation, you haven't fallen short even a microscopic measure? Answer yes or no.
*You've lived a perfect sinless life from that very moment? Answer yes or no.
*As sinless as Christ? Answer yes or no.
Sorry I thought that I did say yes, by giving you God's word.
 
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Sorry I thought that I did say yes, by giving you God's word.

Of course you didn't answer the questions. You still haven't addressed them directly. Are you afraid?

*So then, from the moment of your salvation, you haven't fallen short even a microscopic measure? Answer yes or no.
*You've lived a perfect sinless life from that very moment? Answer yes or no.
*As sinless as Christ? Answer yes or no.

You have three questions and they require three answers. Ready? Go.
 
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Of course you didn't answer the questions. You still haven't addressed them directly. Are you afraid?

*So then, from the moment of your salvation, you haven't fallen short even a microscopic measure? Answer yes or no.
*You've lived a perfect sinless life from that very moment? Answer yes or no.
*As sinless as Christ? Answer yes or no.

You have three questions and they require three answers. Ready? Go.
For the third time-Sorry I thought that I did say yes, by giving you God's word.
 
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For the third time-Sorry I thought that I did say yes, by giving you God's word.

OK, so you can't answer the question directly or refuse to. So I will answer your questions for you.

*So then, from the moment of your salvation, you haven't fallen short even a microscopic measure? Answer yes or no.
Simple, yes you have fallen short of perfection from the moment of salvation. We all have. You did not become sinless in the sense that you never sin. You have likely lied in some way. Perhaps you had a thought you ought not to have had. Or you used language that you ought not to have used. And even in this forum, you have looked down on others (including me) in your attitude because we disagree with you on this question. Arrogant (haughty) eyes: This describes a feeling of pride and looking down upon others. Even a hint of this sort of thing is sinful. We ought not to think more highly of ourselves. A humble spirit is honoring to God. You've offered more than a hint IMO.

*You've lived a perfect sinless life from that very moment? Answer yes or no.
Of course you haven't.

*As sinless as Christ? Answer yes or no.
Um, NO.
 
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OK, so you can't answer the question directly or refuse to. So I will answer your questions for you.

*So then, from the moment of your salvation, you haven't fallen short even a microscopic measure? Answer no!
Simple, yes you have not fallen short of perfection from the moment of salvation. "We all have"(Apparently you don't understand Jude 1:24). You did not become sinless in the sense that you never sin(Yes, God's word tells me that I do not and cannot sin-1 John 3:9). You have likely lied in some way(NO-God word is the truth). Perhaps you had a thought you ought not to have had. Or you used language that you ought not to have used(NO and NO). And even in this forum, you have looked down on others (including me-sorry you fell that way-I apologize.) in your attitude because we disagree with you on this question(you don't disagree with me, you disagree with the word of God, understand that it all comes from him, and not me!). Arrogant (haughty) eyes: This describes a feeling of pride and looking down upon others. Even a hint of this sort of thing is sinful. We ought not to think more highly of ourselves. A humble spirit is honoring to God(for God created all men equal-yeah that is looking down at everyone, or up to everyone). You've offered more than a hint IMO?

*You've lived a perfect sinless life from that very moment? Answer yes!

Of course you have. This is called predestination!

*As sinless as Christ? Answer yes!
Do I think that I am better than anyone else, or that anyone is better than myself-NO, God created all men equal and we(you, me and every other person that has ever walked the earth) are all one in Christ Jesus, to some he gave a better understanding than to others(these are called gifts). And God's word is to be used for correction in righteousness.
 
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