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The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

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You can play around with word meanings if you like, but whether you call something proven to be fact, theory or not, evolution still is not a fact. Are you not aware a germ can bee seen?

Just because you guys can't decide exactly what the word theory means as you toss it every which way in order to try to use it to your advantage, far from makes evolution a fact or even close....you are getting desperate...stop it, it makes you look worse than you do already.

I'm not playing around with word meanings at all. Quite the opposite. I'm using the precise and well accepted definition of a scientific theory, very different from the everyday sense of the word. In science words need to have precise meanings so everyone knows exactly what you mean and those meanings can be different to casual use.

I don't see anybody not being able to decide what the word theory means. I don't know where you get that impression from. I'm not desperate at all, merely pointing out correct scientific terminology which is essential if you are going to discuss science.

Any chance of you addressing any scientific evidence? Lots of people here who can help you learn what the evidence is and means :)
 
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That is completely false. It is science, not opinion. Sorry you can't handle that.

It's opinion that there is even evidence to begin with. I've seen your evidence, and so much of it is based on assumptions that it truly is laughable.

And I know it's a letdown for you to hear it, but sorry YOU can't handle it. I recall asking someone where their evidence was among the evidence they posted, and nothing, it was as if they looked again and saw nothing was really there for the first time. You were probably around when that happened. I all but begged for just some explanation, a very reasonable request, and the poster just got mad. Things like that are dead giveaways, yet you couldn't see just how bizarre the reaction was.

You're in complete denial.
 
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You're in complete denial.
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I'm not playing around with word meanings at all. Quite the opposite. I'm using the precise and well accepted definition of a scientific theory, very different from the everyday sense of the word. In science words need to have precise meanings so everyone knows exactly what you mean and those meanings can be different to casual use.

I don't see anybody not being able to decide what the word theory means. I don't know where you get that impression from. I'm not desperate at all, merely pointing out correct scientific terminology which is essential if you are going to discuss science.

Any chance of you addressing any scientific evidence? Lots of people here who can help you learn what the evidence is and means :)

I've spoken my piece on the definition, nothing has changed.

Oh, learn of the opinion on what you think is evidence from a deluded bunch of evolutionist? Not my idea of time well spent. I've been through it, listened over the years and my conclusion is the same. The so-called evidence is styled into making evolution factual. The world decided they would explain God away, they set out to do that and did to their satisfaction. The result was predetermined and if it weren't so sad it would be hilarious how so-called smart people managed to create their own fake, but very real world in their own minds..
 
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The vast majority of the people who have worked on evolutionary evidence and theory were Christians who did not believe that it "explains away God".

That's a new claim, lol. Can you produce some kind of evidence for that fact. I guarantee you can if you try hard enough. :)
 
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That's a new claim
It is basic logic, Kenny'sID: The majority of people in the Western world over the last 2 centuries (the area and time of the development of evolution) were Christians. Thus the majority of scientists would be Christians. The classic example is Charles Darwin who thought about becoming a clergyman. During his lifetime his faith did reduce until by 1879 he described himself as never an atheist but more of an agnostic. The cofounder of evolution was Alfred Russel Wallace, a theist. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was a Jesuit priest.
See Evolutionary biologists who were also theists

Are you ignoring: Not correct, Kenny'sID: It is the physical evidence for evolution that says that evolution happens.
 
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I've spoken my piece on the definition, nothing has changed.

Oh, learn of the opinion on what you think is evidence from a deluded bunch of evolutionist? Not my idea of time well spent. I've been through it, listened over the years and my conclusion is the same. The so-called evidence is styled into making evolution factual. The world decided they would explain God away, they set out to do that and did to their satisfaction. The result was predetermined and if it weren't so sad it would be hilarious how so-called smart people managed to create their own fake, but very real world in their own minds..

What 'so-called evidence'? Got any examples we can help you with?

You don't seem to understand how science works. You do realise, for example, that the founding fathers of modern geology (which tells us the age of the Earth is billions of years) were Christians? In fact, they actually wanted to find evidence for the Flood and a young Earth. However, their research uncovered evidence that the Earth was in fact very old. They had the intellectual honesty to then look beyond their religious beliefs and the conclusions they wanted to find (Young earth and flood) and reached conclusions based on the evidence they examined (old earth and no flood).

So do you think all the thousands of scientists working on evolution and studies using it right now are all liars or wasting their time? How could it be that other branches of science are real but biologists get to slack off? A conspiracy like that is incredulous.
 
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So, nearly 600 posts and Kenny is still engaged in meta debate instead of actually addressing any of the evidence for evolution that's been presented.

Shocking.
 
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It's opinion that there is even evidence to begin with.

It is fact, not opinion.

I've seen your evidence, and so much of it is based on assumptions that it truly is laughable.

I have yet to find a creationist who can point to a single assumption.

I recall asking someone where their evidence was among the evidence they posted, and nothing, it was as if they looked again and saw nothing was really there for the first time.

Here is the evidence:

Creationists have claimed that Macroevolution is not testable. They couldn't be farther from the truth. Here is the test for macroevolution as described clear back in 1965 before we had any real DNA sequence data:

"It will be determined to what extent the phylogenetic tree, as derived from molecular data in complete independence from the results of organismal biology, coincides with the phylogenetic tree constructed on the basis of organismal biology. If the two phylogenetic trees are mostly in agreement with respect to the topology of branching, the best available single proof of the reality of macro-evolution would be furnished. Indeed, only the theory of evolution, combined with the realization that events at any supramolecular level are consistent with molecular events, could reasonably account for such a congruence between lines of evidence obtained independently, namely amino acid sequences of homologous polypeptide chains on the one hand, and the finds of organismal taxonomy and paleontology on the other hand. Besides offering an intellectual satisfaction to some, the advertising of such evidence would of course amount to beating a dead horse. Some beating of dead horses may be ethical, when here and there they display unexpected twitches that look like life."

Emile Zuckerkandl and Linus Pauling, discussing the possibility of the twin nested hierarchy before the first molecular phylogenies had been made.
(1965) "Evolutionary Divergence and Convergence in Proteins." in Evolving Genes and Proteins, p. 101.​

In short, it was predicted 50 years ago that there should be a match between independent DNA based trees and morphological trees.

So does macroevolution pass that test? Yep, sure does:

"So, how well do phylogenetic trees from morphological studies match the trees made from independent molecular studies? There are over 10^38 different possible ways to arrange the 30 major taxa represented in Figure 1 into a phylogenetic tree . . . In spite of these odds, the relationships given in Figure 1, as determined from morphological characters, are completely congruent with the relationships determined independently from cytochrome c molecular studies . . . Speaking quantitatively, independent morphological and molecular measurements such as these have determined the standard phylogenetic tree, as shown in Figure 1, to better than 38 decimal places. This phenomenal corroboration of universal common descent is referred to as the "twin nested hierarchy". This term is something of a misnomer, however, since there are in reality multiple nested hierarchies, independently determined from many sources of data."
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#independent_convergence

For 30 groups there are 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 possible ways to organize them into a tree. There is just 1 tree out of those billions and billions of possible trees that is a perfect match to the predictions made the theory of macroevolution. We see that exact tree.

That is proof beyond any reasonable doubt.
 
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So, nearly 600 posts and Kenny is still engaged in meta debate instead of actually addressing any of the evidence for evolution that's been presented.

Was there something specific you wanted addressed? And of course I addressed some of what you had posted, Why do you feel the need to lie? I mean what is that going to accomplish? Another delusion that it must be viable because I won't address it all? I'm scared of it because it's true (read the following paragraph) Things like that are in your mind and they always will be, regardless...that all plays a role in creating your delusion.

If you expect me to jump head first into and waste my time on a bunch of hooey, think again. I'm no more going to do that than I would address any deluded individuals proof fairy tales are real.
 
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Was there something specific you wanted addressed? And of course I addressed some of what you had posted, Why do you feel the need to lie? I mean what is that going to accomplish? Another delusion that it must be viable because I won't address it all? I'm scared of it because it's true (read the following paragraph) Things like that are in your mind and they always will be, regardless...that all plays a role in creating your delusion.

If you expect me to jump head first into and waste my time on a bunch of hooey, think again. I'm no more going to do that than I would address any deluded individuals proof fairy tales are real.

LOL
 
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I have yet to find a creationist who can point to a single assumption.

So does macroevolution pass that test? Yep, sure does:

Way too many assumptions with respect to DNA, so nope it does not pass the test. It proves the evolutionist version of creation in that, they create a scenario based on assumption that, in the end, proves the findings they set out to prove. It's a little trick they like to play on themselves.

Your semantic arguments are nothing more than an attempt to avoid the evidence.

More denial that justifies your delusion. You can no longer even see the reasoning behind my post on that because it doesn't work for your agenda. Not much sense in trying to convince anyone that has chosen not to see.
 
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Was there something specific you wanted addressed? And of course I addressed some of what you had posted, Why do you feel the need to lie? I mean what is that going to accomplish? Another delusion that it must be viable because I won't address it all? I'm scared of it because it's true (read the following paragraph) Things like that are in your mind and they always will be, regardless...that all plays a role in creating your delusion.

If you expect me to jump head first into and waste my time on a bunch of hooey, think again. I'm no more going to do that than I would address any deluded individuals proof fairy tales are real.
Has his meta debate and avoidance pointed out.

Responds with more meta debate and avoidance.
^_^^_^^_^
 
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Way too many assumptions with respect to DNA,

LIKE WHAT???????

It proves the evolutionist version of creation in that, they create a scenario based on assumption that, in the end, proves the findings they set out to prove.

WHAT ASSUMPTIONS??????

More denial that justifies your delusion. You can no longer even see the reasoning behind my post on that because it doesn't work for your agenda. Not much sense in trying to convince anyone that has chosen not to see.

You haven't pointed to a single assumption or piece of evidence for creationism. Par for the course.
 
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Has his meta debate and avoidance pointed out.

Responds with more meta debate and avoidance.
^_^^_^^_^

Then there is nothing specific, just more whining you didn't get your way when you clearly did?

Noted

You really ARE getting out there now. :)
 
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LIKE WHAT???????

WHAT ASSUMPTIONS??????

Lets take post 492 for example and how Dogma goes on about how we can prove common ancestory. Go through all of that and tell me how that proves evolution in the least.

So, we can do all those things, and yes I read it all....nothing new or unbelievable at all there, but the assumption that has anything to do with creationism is just that, there is no connection at all. But I would be curious what goes on upstairs to where y'all think that in any way supports evolution.

You want me to address this stuff when I just don't see anything in what you present TO address. lol. Where's the connection?
 
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