The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

[Loudmouth]

I could just as easily make that same claim to many of you but it would be a cop out. Kinda like the idiotic, oh, your just stupid or you don't know nuthin' as defense.

And since I see a lot of your post are now parroting the head in sand thing, I'm afraid I'm going to have to put you on probation too. Seriously, there is no need in my wasting my time replying or even reading cop out posts. There are enough serious post here that aren't a waste of time.

2 down, anyone want to make this even easier on me?

You would have to present evidence before you could accuse others of ignoring it. This is yet another post where you refuse to address the evidence presented in this thread.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I think you should read this page:
http://www.notjustatheory.com/

It's only 8 paragraphes. Some 10-15 sentences. Read it now.

You are extremely misinformed on how science works and what the words fact and theory mean in a scientific setting. That page should clear up the confusion.

I skimmed it but it but what do you expect me to think now that scientists have chosen to change the meaning of the term theory. The first thing is says when explaining theory is not theory, is that theory is theory...but....

It's either proven fact or it's theory, yet you say science proves nothing and theory is not what it's defined as now. You don't see the slight of hand in all that? The whole thing is created with tricky stuff like that but you are so caught up in it, you'll never see it....never.

Is it any freaking wonder some people think evolutionists are off their rocker? I would expect you to say I'm misinformed, you are completely and truly blind to what some of us are seeing here, but in your mind I have the problem and you are just fine.

If I'm misinformed, you are so overly informed you are lost in it all, yet think you know exactly where you are. Seriously, I'm sorry for you... sorry you have so much disdain for God you allowed this to happen to you yourselves but don't hand me the misinformed thing, not buying it for a second....it's a lousy/cop out defense to try to fall back on.

You don't get off that easily, you prove to me evolution is fact, stop playing around with word games like "we/science don't do fact" and "theory is not just a possibility it's a fact but it's not a fact either, it's theory" (my head hurts now) or whatever excuse...SOGOTP, and stop blaming me because you can't prove it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I skimmed it but it but what do you expect me to think now that scientists have chosen to change the meaning of the term theory.

Dude...........

Dictionary:

Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

It's either proven fact or it's theory, yet you say science proves nothing and theory is not what it's defined as now. You don't see the slight of hand in all that? The whole thing is created with tricky stuff like that but you are so caught up in it, you'll never see it....never.

Is it any freaking wonder some people think evolutionists are off their rocker? I would expect you to say I'm misinformed, you are completely and truly blind to what some of us are seeing here, but in your mind I have the problem and you are just fine.

If I'm misinformed, you are so overly informed you are lost in it all, yet think you know exactly where you are. Seriously, I'm sorry for you... sorry you have so much disdain for God you allowed this to happen to you yourselves but don't hand me the misinformed thing, not buying it for a second....it's a lousy/cop out defense to try to fall back on.

You don't get off that easily, you prove to me evolution is fact, stop playing around with word games like "we/science don't do fact" and "theory is not just a possibility it's a fact but it's not a fact either, it's theory" (my head hurts now) or whatever excuse...SOGOTP, and stop blaming me because you can't prove it.

Ow my..............

Did you, like, had any basic science education at all, ever?

The scientific concepts of theory, law & facts are that alien to you?

 

[Loudmouth]

It's either proven fact or it's theory, yet you say science proves nothing and theory is not what it's defined as now. You don't see the slight of hand in all that?

There is proven beyond any reasonable doubt, and there is absolute proof. Science does the former, but not the latter. As Dr. Gould puts it:

"Moreover, "fact" does not mean "absolute certainty." The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science, "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms."
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_fact-and-theory.html

Is it any freaking wonder some people think evolutionists are off their rocker?

You are trying to not understand what science is and how theories work.

 

[joshua 1 9]

This is yet another post where you refuse to address the evidence presented in this thread.

There is no evidence to address, you have not given us any evidence yet. WE are still waiting for you to come up with anything in the way of evidence to back up your claim.

 

[Loudmouth]

There is no evidence to address, you have not given us any evidence yet.

Read the first post.

 

[pgp_protector]

Read the first post.

And the Second, and Third.
Post nine is also good, Post 10,

 

[USincognito]

Can someone with a full keyboard (I'm on my phone now) explain to Kenny the need for potential falsification and how that relates to science not doing "absolute proof".

 

[Loudmouth]

Can someone with a full keyboard (I'm on my phone now) explain to Kenny the need for potential falsification and how that relates to science not doing "absolute proof".

Sure.

Absolute proof requires absolute knowledge. Man doesn't have absolute knowledge, so we can't attain absolute proof. It is extremely difficult, to nigh impossible, to determine if we are absolutely right.

The next best thing that we can do is figure out if we are wrong. That we can do with much better confidence. You don't need absolute knowledge to figure out if an idea is wrong. All you need to find is observations that contradict your idea in order to know that it is wrong.

Therefore, science uses falsification as its primary tool. All theories must make risky predictions (i.e. testable hypotheses) about what one should NOT see if the theory is true, along with what one should see. If a theory makes a bunch of independent hypotheses that are not falsified, then we tentatively agree that the theory is probably right, but always reserve the potential that we may observe falsifying evidence in the future.

To sum it up, all theories must be falsifiable, and are only tentatively accepted as true with the knowledge that the theory could potentially be false. The more we test a theory from completely different angles, the more confidence we have in that theory.

 

[tallbouy]

Absolute proof requires absolute knowledge. Man doesn't have absolute knowledge, so we can't attain absolute proof. It is extremely difficult, to nigh impossible, to determine if we are absolutely right.
The next best thing that we can do is figure out if we are wrong. That we can do with much better confidence. You don't need absolute knowledge to figure out if an idea is wrong. All you need to find is observations that contradict your idea in order to know that it is wrong.
Therefore, science uses falsification as its primary tool. All theories must make risky predictions (i.e. testable hypotheses) about what one should NOT see if the theory is true, along with what one should see. If a theory makes a bunch of independent hypotheses that are not falsified, then we tentatively agree that the theory is probably right, but always reserve the potential that we may observe falsifying evidence in the future.
To sum it up, all theories must be falsifiable, and are only tentatively accepted as true with the knowledge that the theory could potentially be false. The more we test a theory from completely different angles, the more confidence we have in that theory.

Sadly someone got to him long before you did.

 

[florida2]

So predictable. Science is fine...what you are talking about is theory being taught as fact, for all you know it's outright lies but at best theory and biased opinion. Teach science, not the things man reads into science. You really should have been on the ball enough not to even make the comparison.

So there should also be no teaching about gravity, germs, atoms and quantum mechanics? All those are scientific theories. The theory of gravity, germ theory, atomic theory quantum theory etc etc.

Theory is the highest level of certainty in science. It has nothing to do with the colloquial use of the word 'theory' as a rough guess. To be a scientific theory is has to be very well supported by evidence to create a framework for explaining how a feature of the universe works.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So there should also be no teaching about gravity, germs, atoms and quantum mechanics? All those are scientific theories. The theory of gravity, germ theory, atomic theory quantum theory etc etc.

Theory is the highest level of certainty in science. It has nothing to do with the colloquial use of the word 'theory' as a rough guess. To be a scientific theory is has to be very well supported by evidence to create a framework for explaining how a feature of the universe works.

You can play around with word meanings if you like, but whether you call something proven to be fact, theory or not, evolution still is not a fact. Are you not aware a germ can bee seen?

Just because you guys can't decide exactly what the word theory means as you toss it every which way in order to try to use it to your advantage, far from makes evolution a fact or even close....you are getting desperate...stop it, it makes you look worse than you do already.

 

[bhsmte]

You can play around with word meanings if you like, but whether you call something proven to be fact, theory or not, evolution still is not a fact. Are you not aware a germ can bee seen?

Just because you guys can't decide exactly what the word theory means as you toss it every which way in order to try to use it to your advantage, far from makes evolution a fact or even close....you are getting desperate...stop it, it makes you look worse than you do already.

Do you reject all scientific theories, or just the theory of evolution?

 

[USincognito]

More meta debate about the meaning of the word theory instead of addressing any of the evidences from page 1? Shocking!!!

You can play around with word meanings if you like, but whether you call something proven to be fact, theory or not, evolution still is not a fact. Are you not aware a germ can bee seen?

1. We're not the ones engaged in semantics here. We're the ones that are using the proper scientific definition of theory. You are the one who is trying to make it mean something it does not in a scientific context.
2. Evolution is a fact because of all the evidence that supports it and making it, you know, factual.
3. Yeah, germs can be seen. So can the fossils and genetics that support evolution. So can the fault lines that support plate tectonic theory. The core of the earth cannot be seen however, but that doesn't make dynamo theory any less scientific or not a theory.

Just because you guys can't decide exactly what the word theory means as you toss it every which way in order to try to use it to your advantage, far from makes evolution a fact or even close....

What do you mean "you guys"? Every one of "us guys" consistently uses the word theory the same way every time in a scientific context. You're projecting , not objecting.

you are getting desperate...stop it, it makes you look worse than you do already.

What is it like to go through life without a sense of irony?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Do you reject all scientific theories, or just the theory of evolution?

Official definition of theory please?

Until I get that, best I can tell you is I think evolution is a joke....But haven't I made that clear? Actually I think I have already so, you just don't believe me? If not, why?

 

[bhsmte]

Official definition of theory please?

Until I get that, best I can tell you is I think evolution is a joke....But haven't I made that clear? Actually I think I have already so, you just don't believe me? If not, why?

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You are the one who is trying to make it mean something it does not in a scientific context.

Wrong, I looked up exact defintitions, and when science changes the definition, not just a bit, but a lot, it indicates a problem to me. So sorry I cannot be your little sheep and happily just buy what you say is a fact, when there may be problems. Is that what you would do? I mean..hell, you bought the evolution thing hook line and sinker, maybe you expect others to be as gullible?

So lets talk about the term.

 

[Kenny'sID]

What is it like to go through life without a sense of irony?

What's it like going through life in denial about God, and so much so that you will buy one of the most obvious deceptions of our age..."it all came from nothing then developed on it's own".

I mean are you even seeing the basis if that carp? LOL!

 

[bhsmte]

What's it like going through life in denial about God, and so much so that you will buy one of the most obvious deceptions of our age..."it all came from nothing then developed on it's own".

I mean are you even seeing the basis if that carp? LOL!

To say; denial, infers there is evidence that is being ignored.

We can point to the evidence biblical creationists deny regarding science, can you point to the evidence some people deny that shows a God exists?

 

[bhsmte]

What's it like going through life in denial about God, and so much so that you will buy one of the most obvious deceptions of our age..."it all came from nothing then developed on it's own".

I mean are you even seeing the basis if that carp? LOL!

For me, a former Christian, it feels like I am being more intellectually honest with myself.