From faith to fact.

[Archaeopteryx]

Exactly. That is precisely what I've been saying.

Except that it's not, because instead of saying "I don't know" when your knowledge fades to ignorance, you choose your religious beliefs and invoke faith.

 

[amariselle]

Because the question wasn't rhetorical. You never indicated what that something else was, leaving the question open. And I suspect you don't want to answer it now because it would force you to admit that there are dogmas you should not question, contrary to what you implied earlier in our conversation.

You want an answer that you already know?

That's highly disingenuous, but whatever, if you want to make yourself look silly, so be it.

The only authoritative teaching in this regard comes from the Bible, the word of God, not man.

 

[amariselle]

Except that it's not, because instead of saying "I don't know" when your knowledge fades to ignorance, you choose your religious beliefs and invoke faith.

Which is exactly what you do as well.

We all have faith in something.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You want an answer that you already know?

That's highly disingenuous, but whatever, if you want to make yourself look silly, so be it.

The only authoritative teaching in this regard comes from the Bible, the word of God, not man.

So in contrast to what you earlier said about questioning, there are some things - specifically, religious things - that are simply not open to criticism? That's what 'dogma' would tend to imply, as I said.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Which is exactly what you do as well.

In what way do I do that?

 

[Loudmouth]

Except, Darwinian Evolution hasn't explained everything it claims to explain.

Like what?

Well, in actuality, you can't deny anyone their choice of beliefs. No one can, we all choose for ourselves.

What we can do is demonstrate the emptiness of their claims.

 

[Loudmouth]

You want an answer that you already know?

That's highly disingenuous, but whatever, if you want to make yourself look silly, so be it.

The only authoritative teaching in this regard comes from the Bible, the word of God, not man.

Are you saying that we are allowed to answer your question for you? Ok, that works.

You refuse to question your own beliefs, all the while acting superior to everyone else because you question scientific theories. Even worse, you don't even know how science works, what the scientific theories predict, nor what the evidence is.

And then you tell us that we look silly. Ha!

 

[amariselle]

In what way do I do that?

Because Darwinian Evolutionary Theory does not answer all the questions it claims to. If you put your trust in it, there will come a time when you too need to say "I don't know."

Instead, however, you continue to claim that Darwinian Evolutionary Theory provides conclusive answers that are, in fact far from conclusive. And many Evolutionary Scientists have questioned this Theory as well.

As I said, both Creationism and Darwinian Evolution require faith.

 

[amariselle]

Are you saying that we are allowed to answer your question for you? Ok, that works.

You refuse to question your own beliefs, all the while acting superior to everyone else because you question scientific theories. Even worse, you don't even know how science works, what the scientific theories predict, nor what the evidence is.

And then you tell us that we look silly. Ha!

Do you even understand what that post was in response to?

I was talking about rhetorical questions. I think you need to go back and read a bit more before making completely blind posts and unfounded claims.

As for questioning scientific theories, why shouldn't I? How am I "acting superior" just because I have objections?

And actually, I am quite aware of how science works, thank you. Although I understand you may like to think I'm not, so that you can simply dismiss everything I say and the valid questions I have.

 

[amariselle]

So in contrast to what you earlier said about questioning, there are some things - specifically, religious things - that are simply not open to criticism? That's what 'dogma' would tend to imply, as I said.

Criticize it all you want. It's completely your choice what you do or don't do with the Bible. No one gets to make that choice for you. (Or for anyone else.)

 

[Loudmouth]

Because Darwinian Evolutionary Theory does not answer all the questions it claims to.

Like what?

Instead, however, you continue to claim that Darwinian Evolutionary Theory provides conclusive answers that are, in fact far from conclusive.

How are they not conclusive?

And many Evolutionary Scientists have questioned this Theory as well.

Who are they? What are their questions?

As I said, both Creationism and Darwinian Evolution require faith.

You haven't shown any such thing.

 

[Loudmouth]

As for questioning scientific theories, why shouldn't I? How am I "acting superior" just because I have objections?

You claim to know things that other scientists do not, all the while ignoring all of the evidence, not even knowing what evidence, not understanding how the scientific method works, and not even knowing the basics of biology.

And actually, I am quite aware of how science works, thank you.

No, you aren't. You are claiming that evidence is interpreted in the light of a presupposed theory, yet you can't provide a single example of this taking place.

Although I understand you may like to think I'm not, so that you can simply dismiss everything I say and the valid questions I have.

All you have are empty allegations. Those are easily dismissed because you don't have anything to back them up.

 

[amariselle]

You claim to know things that other scientists do not, all the while ignoring all of the evidence, not even knowing what evidence, not understanding how the scientific method works, and not even knowing the basics of biology.

No, you aren't. You are claiming that evidence is interpreted in the light of a presupposed theory, yet you can't provide a single example of this taking place.

All you have are empty allegations. Those are easily dismissed because you don't have anything to back them up.

So, in other words, you haven't actually read what I've written on this thread then?

Alright, well....I for one am finished going in circles.

It is quite impossible to discuss or debate anything with someone who refuses to acknowledge your side of the argument.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Except, Darwinian Evolution hasn't explained everything it claims to explain.

Actually, it has -- it just hasn't explained everything you claim it claims to explain.... but, given either your lack of knowledge on the subject or lack of honesty about it, that hardly matters, now does it?

 

[Loudmouth]

So, in other words, you haven't actually read what I've written on this thread then?

I have read the thread. Have you?

Yet another post from you that has zero substance.

Alright, well....I for one am finished going in circles.

It is quite impossible to discuss or debate anything with someone who refuses to acknowledge your side of the argument.

It is quite impossible to discuss empty allegations that have no evidence to back them.

 

[amariselle]

I have read the thread. Have you?

Of course, and as you may or may not have noticed, I'm not the only one that's raised particular objections and concerns.

Yet another post from you that has zero substance.

You mean yet another post that challenges your belief in Darwinian Evolution.

It is quite impossible to discuss empty allegations that have no evidence to back them.

Or quite impossible to discuss allegations you would rather dismiss.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course, and as you may or may not have noticed, I'm not the only one that's raised particular objections and concerns.

Yes, plenty of creationists make empty allegations with nothing to back them. That's the problem.

You mean yet another post that challenges your belief in Darwinian Evolution.

Empty allegations don't challenge any beliefs.

Or quite impossible to discuss allegations you would rather dismiss.

There is nothing to dismiss.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well, I can see you know everything. You have it all figured out in a package with a big red ribbon. So, I guess there's no real point in going forward since it's all just a book like Harry Potter or The Hunger Games.

Have a nice day.

Aww... we were on the verge of having an intelligent and productive discussion.... don't stomp off in a huff to your safe zone just because you got offended...

 

[amariselle]

Yes, plenty of creationists make empty allegations with nothing to back them. That's the problem.

Empty allegations don't challenge any beliefs.

There is nothing to dismiss.

I'm sure you consider all of the above to be quite true. That doesn't mean it is however.

If you want to dismiss "challenges" (and you indeed are) that is your choice.

 

[Loudmouth]

I'm sure you consider all of the above to be quite true. That doesn't mean it is however.

If you want to dismiss "challenges" (and you indeed are) that is your choice.

What challenges?