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Did humans descend from monkeys? Where is your evidence?

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No, it's being pointed out that the fantasy that you have presented is not the theory of common decent.

The worse bit is that he's conflating his own 'theory' of common descent with the actual theory of common descent.
 
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Just evidence, that in modern biological terms, the LCA of apes and monkeys would be classed as a monkey. I'm not doubting that it would be a proto-monkey, but to say that it would be an actual monkey is something I'm finding somewhat hard to accept.
Apidium is an example of a stem anthropoid. Note it is also referred to as an "early monkey," not a proto-monkey.
 
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The does not mean he would be the most recent common ancestor of everyone, or even of every Jewish person.
Actually according to the Bible there will only be 144,000 pure descendants during the tribulation period. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. Rev7:4 "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel". The people that do not go in the rapture will still be on earth to see this. The Church will be gone and Israel will give a witness and a testimony for God. AAron was the tribe of Levi so we already have the genetic marker for that tribe. (Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH)

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

What we are showing is that the genealogies in the Bible are accurate and true. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David & Jesus were all real people and they were all related to each other. We have genetic evidence for is AAron brother of Moses. This is called the Cohen Gene. We also have evidence for Abraham. Once we see we have evidence for Aaron and Abraham then it does not take a lot of faith to see that Adam and Noah were real people also.

As a Christian it is important to understand the dispensations and the covenant God has with mankind. God established a Covenant with Adam, God established a Covenant with Noah and mankind after the flood. Genesis 9:12 "God said, This [is] the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations:"

God established a Covenant with Abraham and his descendants. Even those who are adopted into the family of God. Abraham was told that he would be the father of many nations and that is exactly what happened and the DNA evidence shows that is true. The evidence that has only been available to us for a few years. Yet that DNA evidence shows us that what God told Abraham in the Bible is accurate and true. Genesis 17:4 "As for me, behold, my covenant [is] with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations".

http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/search/


1 Chronicles 1

1:1
Adam, Sheth, Enosh,
1:2 Kenan, Mahalaleel, Jered,
1:3 Henoch, Methuselah, Lamech,
1:4 Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
1:5 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
1:6 And the sons of Gomer; Ashchenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
1:7 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
1:8 The sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.
1:9 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabta, and Raamah, and Sabtecha. And the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
1:10 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be mighty upon the earth.
1:11 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
1:12 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim.
1:13 And Canaan begat Zidon his firstborn, and Heth,
1:14 The Jebusite also, and the Amorite, and the Girgashite,
1:15 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
1:16 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite.
1:17 The sons of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram, and Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Meshech.
1:18 And Arphaxad begat Shelah, and Shelah begat Eber.
1:19 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.
1:20 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
1:21 Hadoram also, and Uzal, and Diklah,
1:22 And Ebal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
1:23 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab. All these were the sons of Joktan.
1:24 Shem, Arphaxad, Shelah,
1:25 Eber, Peleg, Reu,
1:26 Serug, Nahor, Terah,
1:27 Abram; the same is Abraham.
1:28 The sons of Abraham; Isaac, and Ishmael.
1:29 These are their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebaioth; then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
1:30 Mishma, and Dumah, Massa, Hadad, and Tema,
1:31 Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. These are the sons of Ishmael.
1:32 Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan.
1:33 And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Henoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these are the sons of Keturah.
1:34 And Abraham begat Isaac. The sons of Isaac; Esau and Israel.
1:35 The sons of Esau; Eliphaz, Reuel, and Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah.
1:36 The sons of Eliphaz; Teman, and Omar, Zephi, and Gatam, Kenaz, and Timna, and Amalek.
1:37 The sons of Reuel; Nahath, Zerah, Shammah, and Mizzah.
1:38 And the sons of Seir; Lotan, and Shobal, and Zibeon, and Anah, and Dishon, and Ezer, and Dishan.
1:39 And the sons of Lotan; Hori, and Homam: and Timna was Lotan's sister.
1:40 The sons of Shobal; Alian, and Manahath, and Ebal, Shephi, and Onam. And the sons of Zibeon; Aiah, and Anah.
1:41 The sons of Anah; Dishon. And the sons of Dishon; Amram, and Eshban, and Ithran, and Cheran.
1:42 The sons of Ezer; Bilhan, and Zavan, and Jakan. The sons of Dishan; Uz, and Aran.
1:43 Now these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom before any king reigned over the children of Israel; Bela the son of Beor: and the name of his city was Dinhabah.
1:44 And when Bela was dead, Jobab the son of Zerah of Bozrah reigned in his stead.
1:45 And when Jobab was dead, Husham of the land of the Temanites reigned in his stead.
1:46 And when Husham was dead, Hadad the son of Bedad, which smote Midian in the field of Moab, reigned in his stead: and the name of his city was Avith.
1:47 And when Hadad was dead, Samlah of Masrekah reigned in his stead.
1:48 And when Samlah was dead, Shaul of Rehoboth by the river reigned in his stead.
1:49 And when Shaul was dead, Baalhanan the son of Achbor reigned in his stead.
1:50 And when Baalhanan was dead, Hadad reigned in his stead: and the name of his city was Pai; and his wife's name was Mehetabel, the daughter of Matred, the daughter of Mezahab.
1:51 Hadad died also. And the dukes of Edom were; duke Timnah, duke Aliah, duke Jetheth,
1:52 Duke Aholibamah, duke Elah, duke Pinon,
1:53 Duke Kenaz, duke Teman, duke Mibzar,
1:54 Duke Magdiel, duke Iram. These are the dukes of Edom.

Matt 1:17 "Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah".

We have all the DNA evidence we need to know that Abraham was a real person. Because that evidence shows us that the generations or the genealogies in the Bible are accurate and true. It is what it is, to argue about it is pointless.

Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the Law, because these things are pointless and worthless.
 
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Apidium is an example of a stem anthropoid. Note it is also referred to as an "early monkey," not a proto-monkey.

But it's not a modern monkey. It's an early monkey. Although funnily enough the source doesn't contain that phrase. Strange. (not on your part. I mean on the source's part)

Although I will admit that I only put proto-monkey down since I couldn't think of the term used to describe them, which is early monkey.
 
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Actually according to the Bible there will only be 144,000 pure descendants during the tribulation period.
No, the Bible does not say that. It is a ridiculous twisting of the prophecies in Revelation.

Why won't you back up your claims about the Bible when you make them? You still haven't even admitted that Isaiah 55:11 has nineteen Hebrew words, not nine.
 
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Actually according to the Bible there will only be 144,000 pure descendants during the tribulation period. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. Rev7:4 "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel". The people that do not go in the rapture will still be on earth to see this. The Church will be gone and Israel will give a witness and a testimony for God. AAron was the tribe of Levi so we already have the genetic marker for that tribe. (Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH)

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

What we are showing is that the genealogies in the Bible are accurate and true. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David & Jesus were all real people and they were all related to each other. We have genetic evidence for is AAron brother of Moses. This is called the Cohen Gene. We also have evidence for Abraham. Once we see we have evidence for Aaron and Abraham then it does not take a lot of faith to see that Adam and Noah were real people also.

As a Christian it is important to understand the dispensations and the covenant man has with mankind. God established a Covenant with Adam, God established a Covenant with Noah and mankind after the flood. Genesis 9:12 "God said, This [is] the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations:"

God established a Covenant with Abraham and his descendants. Even those who are adopted into the family of God. Abraham was told that he would be the father of many nations and that is exactly what happened and the DNA evidence shows that is true. The evidence that has only been available to us for a few years. Yet that DNA evidence shows us that what God told Abraham in the Bible is accurate and true. Genesis 17:4 "As for me, behold, my covenant [is] with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations".

http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/search/


1 Chronicles 1

1:1
Adam, Sheth, Enosh,
1:2 Kenan, Mahalaleel, Jered,
1:3 Henoch, Methuselah, Lamech,
1:4 Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
1:5 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
1:6 And the sons of Gomer; Ashchenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
1:7 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
1:8 The sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.
1:9 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabta, and Raamah, and Sabtecha. And the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
1:10 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be mighty upon the earth.
1:11 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
1:12 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim.
1:13 And Canaan begat Zidon his firstborn, and Heth,
1:14 The Jebusite also, and the Amorite, and the Girgashite,
1:15 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
1:16 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite.
1:17 The sons of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram, and Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Meshech.
1:18 And Arphaxad begat Shelah, and Shelah begat Eber.
1:19 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.
1:20 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
1:21 Hadoram also, and Uzal, and Diklah,
1:22 And Ebal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
1:23 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab. All these were the sons of Joktan.
1:24 Shem, Arphaxad, Shelah,
1:25 Eber, Peleg, Reu,
1:26 Serug, Nahor, Terah,
1:27 Abram; the same is Abraham.
1:28 The sons of Abraham; Isaac, and Ishmael.
1:29 These are their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebaioth; then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
1:30 Mishma, and Dumah, Massa, Hadad, and Tema,
1:31 Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. These are the sons of Ishmael.
1:32 Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan.
1:33 And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Henoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these are the sons of Keturah.
1:34 And Abraham begat Isaac. The sons of Isaac; Esau and Israel.
1:35 The sons of Esau; Eliphaz, Reuel, and Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah.
1:36 The sons of Eliphaz; Teman, and Omar, Zephi, and Gatam, Kenaz, and Timna, and Amalek.
1:37 The sons of Reuel; Nahath, Zerah, Shammah, and Mizzah.
1:38 And the sons of Seir; Lotan, and Shobal, and Zibeon, and Anah, and Dishon, and Ezer, and Dishan.
1:39 And the sons of Lotan; Hori, and Homam: and Timna was Lotan's sister.
1:40 The sons of Shobal; Alian, and Manahath, and Ebal, Shephi, and Onam. And the sons of Zibeon; Aiah, and Anah.
1:41 The sons of Anah; Dishon. And the sons of Dishon; Amram, and Eshban, and Ithran, and Cheran.
1:42 The sons of Ezer; Bilhan, and Zavan, and Jakan. The sons of Dishan; Uz, and Aran.
1:43 Now these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom before any king reigned over the children of Israel; Bela the son of Beor: and the name of his city was Dinhabah.
1:44 And when Bela was dead, Jobab the son of Zerah of Bozrah reigned in his stead.
1:45 And when Jobab was dead, Husham of the land of the Temanites reigned in his stead.
1:46 And when Husham was dead, Hadad the son of Bedad, which smote Midian in the field of Moab, reigned in his stead: and the name of his city was Avith.
1:47 And when Hadad was dead, Samlah of Masrekah reigned in his stead.
1:48 And when Samlah was dead, Shaul of Rehoboth by the river reigned in his stead.
1:49 And when Shaul was dead, Baalhanan the son of Achbor reigned in his stead.
1:50 And when Baalhanan was dead, Hadad reigned in his stead: and the name of his city was Pai; and his wife's name was Mehetabel, the daughter of Matred, the daughter of Mezahab.
1:51 Hadad died also. And the dukes of Edom were; duke Timnah, duke Aliah, duke Jetheth,
1:52 Duke Aholibamah, duke Elah, duke Pinon,
1:53 Duke Kenaz, duke Teman, duke Mibzar,
1:54 Duke Magdiel, duke Iram. These are the dukes of Edom.

How many times does this have to be said to you? THE BIBLE IS NOT EVIDENCE.
 
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But it's not a modern monkey. It's an early monkey. Although funnily enough the source doesn't contain that phrase. Strange. (not on your part. I mean on the source's part)

Although I will admit that I only put proto-monkey down since I couldn't think of the term used to describe them, which is early monkey.
Still would be classified as a monkey, though. Fits the description, and is a non-ape simian.
 
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Still would be classified as a monkey, though. Fits the description, and is a non-ape simian.

No it wouldn't. It's an early monkey. Okay? Key word is 'early'. It's the same as early humans. They would be classed as humans in a broader scale, but they are not modern humans. Same way as apidium are called early monkeys: they fall under the broader scale of monkeys, but they are not modern monkeys.
 
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THE BIBLE IS NOT EVIDENCE.
How many times does this have to be said to you that DNA is evidence for the genealogies of the Bible at least going back to Abraham? Either you accept that or not. We are told not to argue about it. I gave you the evidence and that is the end of it.

Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies,
arguments, and quarrels about the Law,
because these things are pointless and worthless.
 
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No it wouldn't. It's an early monkey. Okay? Key word is 'early'.
We descended from an early monkey not a late monkey? What do they do lock the door if your late?

It's the same as early humans. They would be classed as humans in a broader scale, but they are not modern humans.
Adam 6,000 years ago was the first modern human. We go by when God was finished not the beginning.

I was in the construction business for 50 years. They did not pay you when you began your work. They paid you when your work was finished. Even if it took 12 billion years to create man. We begin with Adam around 6,000 years ago. I use the date Friday April 13, 2028. This is the 2,000 anniversary of when Jesus said: "It is finished".

Genesis
2:1
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made

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How many times does this have to be said to you that DNA is evidence for the genealogies of the Bible at least going back to Abraham? Either you accept that or not. We are told not to argue about it. I gave you the evidence and that is the end of it.

Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies,
arguments, and quarrels about the Law,
because these things are pointless and worthless.

So not only do you go on and on about genealogies in the Bible and other places, but then you go and post a Bible quote that directly tells to NOT DO THAT?! Are you serious?!
But also, not once have you given the evidence. You have only given horribly contrived and twisted claims about DNA, then acted as though that were legitimate evidence, when it clearly is not.
 
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We descended from an early monkey not a late monkey? What do they do lock the door if your late?

There is no such thing as a 'late' monkey, since that is a modern monkey.
Seriously: actually read up on evolutionary theory. Go to a community college, take a biological science course, or take an online biology course
 
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Sorry the reference was to the atheists. Because if they accepted theism then they would no longer be atheists. That does happen on this board in both directions. Some atheists convert and become theists and some theists convert and become atheists.

No, we just don't believe that those particular people are part of history. Doesn't mean the same thing. Perhaps you should spend some time learning what "common ancestor" means before throwing random people into the mix and claiming they are on the line of history and expecting everyone to believe it.
 
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How many times does this have to be said to you that DNA is evidence for the genealogies of the Bible at least going back to Abraham?

We have Abraham's DNA on file?
 
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We have Abraham's DNA on file?
Yes we do. God told Abraham that he would be: "father of many nations". Genesis 17:5

"genetic studies have found that the CMH-the Cohen Modal Haplotype-a haplotype of the MED (J) haplogroup-is not exclusive to Kohanim, and not unique to Jews. It is also found in significant percentages among other Middle Eastern populations, and to a lesser extent, among southern Mediterranean groups. A haplotype is a group of distinct DNA markers—neutral nucleotide mutations, which when found together indicate a lineage. These particular markers were discovered on the Y-Chromosome, which is passed from father to son, without change, thus establishing a paternal lineage pattern.

All of the above is scientific fact, which has only become known in recent years."
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/abraham-lineage/
 
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Yes we do. God told Abraham that he would be: "father of many nations". Genesis 17:5

"genetic studies have found that the CMH-the Cohen Modal Haplotype-a haplotype of the MED (J) haplogroup-is not exclusive to Kohanim, and not unique to Jews. It is also found in significant percentages among other Middle Eastern populations, and to a lesser extent, among southern Mediterranean groups. A haplotype is a group of distinct DNA markers—neutral nucleotide mutations, which when found together indicate a lineage. These particular markers were discovered on the Y-Chromosome, which is passed from father to son, without change, thus establishing a paternal lineage pattern.

All of the above is scientific fact, which has only become known in recent years."
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/abraham-lineage/

So no, not "Abraham" in particular.
 
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Last universal ancestor
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Exactly. and yet our beliefs are to be mocked and are silly. I think the problem is evolutionists are so delusional by their theories, they can no longer see the face value of their beliefs. It's as if they have special glasses on. They're unable to naturally see different kinds. A child easily recognizes different kinds of species, fishes are fishes, birds are birds, etc. See the problem with evolution, is there technically is no species or kinds at all. Everything is one, everything is constantly changing, there is no "bird species" or anything, as technically each bird is on their own evolutionary path. Crows are on one path, seagulls another. Yet even a child can point out a bird's a bird. It's not something we classify for convenience, there's something recognizable about each species. A bird kind. A fish kind. A dog kind. etc. - all biblical teachings.
 
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Seriously: actually read up on evolutionary theory.
I already know more about evolutionary theory then most of the people alive today. Most of the people alive today have not even read one book about evolutionary theory. For example I have a book here called: "Catching Fire How cooking made us human". We see that the "discovery of better ways to prepare food would have led to continual increases in digestive efficiency, leaving more energy for brain growth". Just a theory but something I have studied and looked into.
 
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