Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

[disciple1]

1 Cor 7:19 'what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith?? God forbid!! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31
"NEW Covenant ... I will write MY LAW on their heart and mind" Hebrews 8:6-10

People without understanding can feel they prove, all you have to do is have faith, there's others without understanding that think they can prove you have to obey the law.
But what good is faith without anything else, and what good does it do God if you obey the law,
they both do nothing.
Love is the best way to go.

Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[Travis93]

People without understanding can feel they prove, all you have to do is have faith, there's others without understanding that think they can prove you have to obey the law.
But what good is faith without anything else, and what good does it do God if you obey the law,
they both do nothing.
Love is the best way to go.

Faith alone won't save you, neither will the law alone, you need both.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Love is not mutually exclusive with the law, they are one in the same.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not burdensome.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[BABerean2]

Then he's a false prophet according to Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Isaiah 8:20, and so on. Ezekiel 44:9 clearly says even strangers must be circumcised.

At one time Paul was a good Torah observant Jew.
He held the coats of those who stoned Stephen.
He persecuted the early Church.
Then on the road to Damascus the Messiah explained to him the relationship between the Old Covenant and the New.

Gal_2:3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

Paul did not compel Titus to be circumcised.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. l
The Sinai covenant cannot disannul the promise made to Abraham.
It was "added" 430 years "after" the promise to Abraham.

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
The inheritance does not come through the Sinai law.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
The Sinai law was added "until" the Seed could come to whom the Abrahamic promise was made.

Someone is confused, and it is either you or Paul.

 

[disciple1]

Faith alone won't save you, neither will the law alone, you need both.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Love is not mutually exclusive with the law, they are one in the same.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not burdensome.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[BobRyan]

Bob, I have not been blessed with the gift to be able to see God evolve in so many ways by filtering the bible by nations, times, and blessings. Have you? I can only see so far in God the many ways that He is trying to save humanity from death since man chose to listen to and do the will of the devil and not His.

Indeed the times are evil -

Eph 5
15 Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men but as wise, 16 making the most of your time, because the days are evil. 17 So then do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord; 20 always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father; 21 and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.

Yet God would have people saved - even at the last hour.

 

[BobRyan]

Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Romans 8:4-9 - only the wicked remain at war against the LAW of God - unable to submit to it.
"He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him."

 

[BobRyan]

Here Paul makes is clear that he was not under the Law of Moses.

1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

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1 Cor 7:19 'what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith?? God forbid!! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31
"NEW Covenant ... I will write MY LAW on their heart and mind" Hebrews 8:6-10

People without understanding can feel they prove, all you have to do is have faith, there's others without understanding that think they can prove you have to obey the law.
But what good is faith without anything else, and what good does it do God if you obey the law,
they both do nothing.
Love is the best way to go.

Which option do you see Paul choosing in 1 Corinthians 7:19... Romans 3:31? Hebrews 8:6-10.

 

[disciple1]

1 Cor 7:19 'what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith?? God forbid!! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31
"NEW Covenant ... I will write MY LAW on their heart and mind" Hebrews 8:6-10



Which option do you see Paul choosing in 1 Corinthians 7:19... Romans 3:31? Hebrews 8:6-10.

Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[disciple1]

Indeed the times are evil -

Eph 5
15 Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men but as wise, 16 making the most of your time, because the days are evil. 17 So then do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord; 20 always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father; 21 and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.

Yet God would have people saved - even at the last hour.

Galatians chapter 2
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”[e]
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
No one but Christ ever kept the law.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No one but Christ ever kept the law.

How many people in the city, or in the country you live in,
obey the law in the city, or in the country you live in ?
Nobody !?
Everybody ?
(so they don't get ticketed, fined, arrested or shot)

 

[disciple1]

How many people in the city, or in the country you live in,
obey the law in the city, or in the country you live in ?
Nobody !?
Everybody ?
(so they don't get ticketed, fined, arrested or shot)

If you try to obey the law your a slave to sin, even though you don't obey it.
Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If you try to obey the law your a slave to sin, even though you don't obey it.
Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

You are a slave to sin anyway then, if you are lawless*.
So how will being lawless* and never entering God's Kingdom help you ?

But you didn't answer the question >>
How many people in the city, or in the country you live in,
obey the law in the city, or in the country you live in ?
(so they don't get ticketed, fined, arrested or shot)



========== "lawless" ...>>>
VOICE
But I will say to them, “I never knew you. And now, you must get away from Me, you evildoers!”
WEB
Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.’
WE
Then I will say to them, "I never knew you. Go away from me! What you do is very wrong!" '
WYC
And then I shall acknowledge to them, That I knew you never; depart away from me, ye that work wickedness.
YLT
and then I will acknowledge to them, that -- I never knew you, depart from me ye who are working lawlessness.

 

[disciple1]

You are a slave to sin anyway then, if you are lawless*.
So how will being lawless* and never entering God's Kingdom help you ?

But you didn't answer the question >>
How many people in the city, or in the country you live in,
obey the law in the city, or in the country you live in ?
(so they don't get ticketed, fined, arrested or shot)



========== "lawless" ...>>>
VOICE
But I will say to them, “I never knew you. And now, you must get away from Me, you evildoers!”
WEB
Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.’
WE
Then I will say to them, "I never knew you. Go away from me! What you do is very wrong!" '
WYC
And then I shall acknowledge to them, That I knew you never; depart away from me, ye that work wickedness.
YLT
and then I will acknowledge to them, that -- I never knew you, depart from me ye who are working lawlessness.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32 To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
What about you Jesus might say he never knew you, your misusing verses, to prove a lie.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What about you Jesus might say he never knew you, your misusing verses, to prove a lie.

Quote the lie.

 

[bugkiller]

Faith alone won't save you, neither will the law alone, you need both.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Love is not mutually exclusive with the law, they are one in the same.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not burdensome.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Please name, reference or quote any commandments you're talking about.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Romans 8:4-9 - only the wicked remain at war against the LAW of God - unable to submit to it.
"He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him."

Why are you so set on getting the flesh to keep the law? You even emphasized that part for us.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

1 Cor 7:19 'what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith?? God forbid!! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31
"NEW Covenant ... I will write MY LAW on their heart and mind" Hebrews 8:6-10



Which option do you see Paul choosing in 1 Corinthians 7:19... Romans 3:31? Hebrews 8:6-10.

The one option he mentions in Rom 7:6.

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

Quote the lie.

Then I will say to them, "I never knew you. Go away from me! What you do is very wrong!" '

That's used as a lie, here is the verses it's in.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[love2obey]

How many people in the city, or in the country you live in,
obey the law in the city, or in the country you live in ?
Nobody !?
Everybody ?
(so they don't get ticketed, fined, arrested or shot)

Sadly common sense does not apply here. different type of law. you are talking about human laws and not the law of the Jew nor the law of the gentiles. You will always find an argument to defeat your point or what I call "Bible Bowl".
The bible is best approached with common sense: the understanding of God the Almighty and what is to live without God. When we negate to approach the bible from that perspective, we leave our mind open to all interpretations which lead us to believe in many gods called "Jehovah". I believe the NT calls those gods Antichrist.

 

[love2obey]

Indeed the times are evil -

Yet God would have people saved - even at the last hour.

With this statement you summarized and answered the lead post.