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Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

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This came from a friend of mine.
It does reveal parts of the Mosaic Law not normally considered today.



On her radio show, Dr. Laura said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under...any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Schlesinger, written by a US man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as quite informative:
Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

Lev 25:44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

Exo 21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev 15:19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
Lev 15:20 And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.
Lev 15:21 And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
Lev 15:22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
Lev 15:23 And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even.
Lev 15:24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

Lev 1:9 But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

Exo 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

Lev 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

Lev 21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

Lev 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

Lev 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Lev 11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Lev 20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

James M. Kauffman
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Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,

Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education West Virginia University

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I find it so sad that people would find this funny. What it is doing is mocking God. His law defines who He is. It proves His likes His dislikes, what is Holy and unholy. He is the creator of all things, do you not think He knows what's best for us, the created. He knows best,what we should eat, what we should wear, how we should worship. After all he created us and these laws are for us, for our own good. Even if we don't understand them or they don't make sense to us they are His ways. Man has always been deceived into being wise in his own opinion. I guess as Solomon sates "nothing new under the sun"
 
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I find it so sad that people would find this funny. What it is doing is mocking God. His law defines who He is. It proves His likes His dislikes, what is Holy and unholy. He is the creator of all things, do you not think He knows what's best for us, the created. He knows best,what we should eat, what we should wear, how we should worship. After all he created us and these laws are for us, for our own good. Even if we don't understand them or they don't make sense to us they are His ways. Man has always been deceived into being wise in his own opinion. I guess as Solomon sates "nothing new under the sun"
Tell me what is the value or purpose of tassels or untrimmed beards?

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the Sabbath is BINDING on both Jews and also gentile believers.

You are correct. The Sabbath is binding on all.
However, the Sabbath has a name and it is not Saturday or Sunday.


The Sabbath's name is Jesus Christ.

If you have come to faith in Him, the Holy Spirit from God lives inside of you.

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.


Some of us are attempting to keep the shadow instead of the real thing.


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


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You are correct. The Sabbath is binding on all.
However, the Sabbath has a name and it is not Saturday or Sunday.


The Sabbath's name is Jesus Christ.



If I were inclined to just accept your word as the word of God -- you could continue to simply "quote you" all day long on doctrines like "The Sabbath's name is Jesus Christ" and that would be fine with me. But as it is we are long past the days of the dark ages when that sort of thing would work.


the "Shadows" are those Lev 23 annual Sabbaths that are based in animal sacrifice.
 
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we find this in the Bible --

the Sabbath is BINDING on both Jews and also gentile believers. True? -- Let's answer the question "sola scriptura" and in so doing -- return to the actual subject of the thread.

In the OT Isaiah 66:23 states explicitly that the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" in Is 66:23
In Gen 2:1-3 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- Adam and Eve.
In Mark 2:27 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- "The Sabbath was made for mankind"
In Rev 14:7 it is all mankind that is called to worship God who "created the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water" - a quote from the Sabbath commandment
in Heb 4 "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people God" actually quotes the Sabbath Commandment and says it 'remains' just as it was in Psalms 95.
In Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".
In 56:1-8 the Gentiles are singled out and specifically blessed for keeping the weekly Sabbath.
James 2 points specifically to the TEN Commandments and says that the common element that would make us "guilty of all" is based on "He who said" -- and as it turns out God said all ten of them not just nine.
In Eph 6:2 - the entire unit of TEN is being identified when the text says "Honor thy father and mother for this is the FIRST commandment with a promise" -- that requires a specific unit of Law -- and is only true of the TEN.
Ex 20:8-11 it is BOTH Israel AND the gentile that "stays within their gates" that is bound to keep the Sabbath.
In Acts 18:4 both Gentiles AND Jews are worshiping "every Sabbath" so also in Acts 17:1-4 so also in Acts 13
 
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And as for Galatians 4 --

he end of Galatians 4 is not about condemning the Word of God in the OT - it is the use of an allegory to demonstrate that the LAW of God is not a second-gospel a competing-gospel and never was. Period.

Gal 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?

<Paul is not saying "tell me you want want to affirm scripture - the Word of God -- how dare you not condemn scripture" > Rather Paul is addressing those who want to use the Law as a gospel.

Gal 4
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27 For it is written,

“Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear;
Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor;
For more numerous are the children of the desolate
Than of the one who has a husband.”

NOTE: "Jerusalem above" was there in both OT and NT times. This is not a condemnation of the OT text of scripture. In fact it is in the OT that we find the NEW Covenant "I will write My LAWS on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 - what is more "for it is written" is a reference to the still-authoritative OT text - as scripture.

Gal 4
28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. 30 But what does the Scripture say?

“Cast out the bondwoman and her son,
For the son of the bondwoman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.”

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

NOTE: "Him who is born of the Spirit" is the same pre-cross teaching we see from Christ in John 3 - speaking to Nicodemus. Far from being a condemnation of pre-cross teaching - it affirms it.


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Rom 9
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.

1 John 3:4 - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" both in OT and also by NT standards

So then in Rom 6 Paul speaks about the obligation not to SIN - even though not "under the law" -- not under the condemnation of the LAW.

Rom 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered

1 john 2:1 "these things I write to you that you sin NOT"

The Covenant at Sinai with Israel included
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

And 40 years later Moses reminds them --
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5

Christ continues to affirm them in Matt 22 , pre-cross - the Law of Moses upheld.

So then why is Paul associating Sinai with the old covenant in Gal 4?

Because the ceremonial law is no longer in effect.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" as compared to the ceremonial laws such as circumcision - as we see in this example from 1Cor 7:19

notice how Christ upholds what "Moses said" in Mark 7 calling it "The WORD of GOD"

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"


"Love ME and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6 -- from the TEN Commandments.

No wonder NT authors affirm the TEN Commandments as part of the moral law of God for the saints even in the NT as we see here
14 minutes ago #1



Heb 8:6-10 Christ's New Covenant and His TEN Commandments at Sinai
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a New Covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
 
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If I were inclined to just accept your word as the word of God -- you could continue to simply "quote you" all day long on doctrines like "The Sabbath's name is Jesus Christ" and that would be fine with me. But as it is we are long past the days of the dark ages when that sort of thing would work.


the "Shadows" are those Lev 23 annual Sabbaths that are based in animal sacrifice.
He's most correct -

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Mat 11

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You don't obey the law and you don't understand.
Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shalt not covet.
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Romans 7:22 For delight in the law of God after the inward man.

Tell me what is the value or purpose of tassels or untrimmed beards?

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Numbers 15:39 And it shall be for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring.
Numbers 15:40 That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.

The tassels serve as a visual reminder to whom you serve, and are just an outward sign of it. It's like how people wear crosses and put bumper stickers on their car, only this one is actually sanctioned by God's word.

As far as the beards go, it's just another distinction between men and women. It's like how men should have short hair compared to women (1 Corinthians 11:14) and men should wear different clothes than women (Deuteronomy 22:5). God made men and women unique from one another and doesn't want us trying to look like each other.
 
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The tassels serve as a visual reminder to whom you serve, and are just an outward sign of it.
They are much, much more real and important than this.
Search Jewish Believer's sites and see how momentous , how vital and powerful they were /are/ particularly regarding Yeshua.

(Yhwh's Power, and Healing) key search terms additionally : tassels wings power healing
 
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They are much, much more real and important than this.
Search Jewish Believer's sites and see how momentous , how vital and powerful they were /are/ particularly regarding Yeshua.

(Yhwh's Power, and Healing) key search terms additionally : tassels wings power healing
Will do, thanks. I'm still learning all this stuff myself. I come from a Christian and gentile background that denies the Torah is for us today, so I'm just getting started.
 
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Gal 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?

18 But it is good to be zealous always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
19 My children, whom I travail for until Messiah should be fully formed in you,
20 even now, I wish((7))I could be with you and change my tone of voice, because I have deep concern regarding you.
21 I say to you, those that desire to let themselves be under (the penalty of) the Torah, do you not hear the Torah?
22 For it has been written, Abraham had two sons, one out of the slave woman and one out of the free woman.
23 But, indeed, he of the slave woman has been born according to ... .. ...

footnotes:
6 Paul did have some type of health issue, but this verse does not prove that it was bad eyesight, (although it could have been) as it is simply an idiomatic phrase. (2Cor 12:7, Ga 6:11)
((7)) This Aramaic word “tzeba” means to have a strong focused will.
 
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the "Shadows" are those Lev 23 annual Sabbaths that are based in animal sacrifice.

So you have divided the Sinai covenant in order to hang onto your Sinai Sabbath, which you pretend to keep perfectly.

You are saying that some of the Sinai covenant is a shadow of Christ, but not all.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.



Is the Door Shut or Open on the Sinai covenant of bondage?

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.



Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shalt not covet.
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Romans 7:22 For delight in the law of God after the inward man

Numbers 15:39 And it shall be for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring.
Numbers 15:40 That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.

The tassels serve as a visual reminder to whom you serve, and are just an outward sign of it. It's like how people wear crosses and put bumper stickers on their car, only this one is actually sanction

As far as the beards go, it's just another distinction between men and women. It's like how men should have short hair compared to women (1 Corinthians 11:14

I do like your analogy of how people remember with bumper stickers or crosses. Even if we don't know understand His ways if we keep them we will find the blessing.
 
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we find this in the Bible --

the Sabbath is BINDING on both Jews and also gentile believers. True? -- Let's answer the question "sola scriptura" and in so doing -- return to the actual subject of the thread.

In the OT Isaiah 66:23 states explicitly that the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" in Is 66:23
In Gen 2:1-3 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- Adam and Eve.
In Mark 2:27 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- "The Sabbath was made for mankind"
In Rev 14:7 it is all mankind that is called to worship God who "created the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water" - a quote from the Sabbath commandment
in Heb 4 "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people God" actually quotes the Sabbath Commandment and says it 'remains' just as it was in Psalms 95.
In Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".
In 56:1-8 the Gentiles are singled out and specifically blessed for keeping the weekly Sabbath.
James 2 points specifically to the TEN Commandments and says that the common element that would make us "guilty of all" is based on "He who said" -- and as it turns out God said all ten of them not just nine.
In Eph 6:2 - the entire unit of TEN is being identified when the text says "Honor thy father and mother for this is the FIRST commandment with a promise" -- that requires a specific unit of Law -- and is only true of the TEN.
Ex 20:8-11 it is BOTH Israel AND the gentile that "stays within their gates" that is bound to keep the Sabbath.
In Acts 18:4 both Gentiles AND Jews are worshiping "every Sabbath" so also in Acts 17:1-4 so also in Acts 13


So you have divided the Sinai covenant in order to hang onto your Sinai Sabbath, which you pretend to keep perfectly.

You are saying that some of the Sinai covenant is a shadow of Christ, but not all.

Your papal pronouncement not withstanding the actual Bible refutes your position.

Hebrews 10:4-10 proves that the shadows in animal sacrifices end at the cross but as we see in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 the Sabbath came before animal sacrifices ... was made for "mankind" Mark 2:27 and is a memorial not a shadow of a future sacrifice, thus it is to be kept for all eternity by "all mankind" after the cross Isaiah 66:23

Since you have avoided every detail in the subject - The point remains without even a challenge.

Ephesians 6:2
James 2:11-12
Revelation 14:12
 
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Since you have avoided every detail in the subject - The point remains without even a challenge.

You and the other modern day Judaisers are arguing with Peter and Paul, instead of me.
You wish to be circumcised in the flesh, instead of the heart through the spirit.
Try to hang onto your covenant of bondage and continue to claim that you keep it perfectly, just like Jesus did.
Keep that yoke upon the neck of modern Christians.


And remember, your experts said Jesus is coming back on October 22, 1844...


Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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we find this in the Bible --

the Sabbath is BINDING on both Jews and also gentile believers. True? -- Let's answer the question "sola scriptura" and in so doing -- return to the actual subject of the thread.

In the OT Isaiah 66:23 states explicitly that the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" in Is 66:23
In Gen 2:1-3 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- Adam and Eve.
In Mark 2:27 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- "The Sabbath was made for mankind"
In Rev 14:7 it is all mankind that is called to worship God who "created the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water" - a quote from the Sabbath commandment
in Heb 4 "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people God" actually quotes the Sabbath Commandment and says it 'remains' just as it was in Psalms 95.
In Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".
In 56:1-8 the Gentiles are singled out and specifically blessed for keeping the weekly Sabbath.
James 2 points specifically to the TEN Commandments and says that the common element that would make us "guilty of all" is based on "He who said" -- and as it turns out God said all ten of them not just nine.
In Eph 6:2 - the entire unit of TEN is being identified when the text says "Honor thy father and mother for this is the FIRST commandment with a promise" -- that requires a specific unit of Law -- and is only true of the TEN.
Ex 20:8-11 it is BOTH Israel AND the gentile that "stays within their gates" that is bound to keep the Sabbath.
In Acts 18:4 both Gentiles AND Jews are worshiping "every Sabbath" so also in Acts 17:1-4 so also in Acts 13




Your papal pronouncement not withstanding the actual Bible refutes your position.

Hebrews 10:4-10 proves that the shadows in animal sacrifices end at the cross but as we see in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 the Sabbath came before animal sacrifices ... was made for "mankind" Mark 2:27 and is a memorial not a shadow of a future sacrifice, thus it is to be kept for all eternity by "all mankind" after the cross Isaiah 66:23

Since you have avoided every detail in the subject - The point remains without even a challenge.

Ephesians 6:2
James 2:11-12
Revelation 14:12

Bob, I have not been blessed with the gift to be able to see God evolve in so many ways by filtering the bible by nations, times, and blessings. Have you? I can only see so far in God the many ways that He is trying to save humanity from death since man chose to listen to and do the will of the devil and not His.
 
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You wish to be circumcised in the flesh, instead of the heart through the spirit.
Who said they were mutually exclusive?
Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefor the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thine soul, that thou mayest live.
Leviticus 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary to them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they accept the punishment of their iniquity.
Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the forskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Ezekiel 44:9 Thus saith the LORD God, No stranger uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

Circumcising your heart is found in the law and the prophets, it's not some new idea invented by Jesus and his apostles.
 
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Who said they were mutually exclusive?
Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefor the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thine soul, that thou mayest live.
Leviticus 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary to them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they accept the punishment of their iniquity.
Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the forskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Ezekiel 44:9 Thus saith the LORD God, No stranger uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

Circumcising your heart is found in the law and the prophets, it's not some new idea invented by Jesus and his apostles.

Modern day Judaisers teach that I must also be circumcised in the flesh, even though Paul said it is not now required.

Paul's viewpoint excludes the Old Testament view.

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Modern day Judaisers teach that I must also be circumcised in the flesh, even though Paul said it is not now required.

Paul's viewpoint excludes the Old Testament view.

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Then he's a false prophet according to Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Isaiah 8:20, and so on. Ezekiel 44:9 clearly says even strangers must be circumcised.
 
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