Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

[Xalith]

To be honest, the Bible does indeed command us to Remember the Sabbath, but yet at the same time, it is a little vague on what "remember" means.

It's a day that we are meant to set aside as being more "holy" than the rest of the days.

Now, if you examine our current world, and how it is run and governed... can you really say that God would like for every Police Officer, EMT, Paramedic, Doctor, Air Traffic Controller, etc to not work on Saturday? What about Store Clerks? Should every store close on Saturday?

Society would come to a grinding halt.

God didn't write "Do no work" on the Stone Tablets. No, He said "Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy". After the Stone Tablets were written, THEN He said "six days shalt thou labor" etc. This was part of Levitical Law given to Israel which, IMO, is different than the Ten Commandments that He expected to apply universally to everybody, including the Church.

And Christ Himself said that some work must be done... you wouldn't let a mule fall into a pit and not pull him out of the pit on a Sabbath, would you? Well I'm sure He doesn't want people dying on Saturday because there were no doctors or EMTs working either.

No, I think "Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy" means that we should pay extra attention to God on Saturday. We should do more worship, prayer, Bible Reading, etc on Saturday than we do any other day. And don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect, there are Saturdays (like this past one, it's 12:27AM Sunday as I write this) where I fell short and didn't do as much as I could have done.

But thankfully, we being Christians, can repent and ask for His forgiveness as long as we do so with an honest want and effort to change to be better next time.

The Church who worship on Sunday... to be honest, they should be worshipping on Saturday. If you don't believe Saturday is the Sabbath, you need only to go read the Gospels -- Christ was crucified on Friday, and they wanted to hurry up and get Him and the two thieves off their crosses and in graves "Before the Sabbath day". And we call it "Resurrection Sunday" for a reason; it's the day He rose from the dead... the day after Sabbath.

EDIT:

There's also no NT command for this.
Exodus 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt though lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Leviticus 20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Leviticus 20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Deuteronomy 27:21 Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.

This is a good point. Jesus talks about the Spirit of the Law. Some things are just common sense. God obviously does not want man sating his earthly lusts on beasts, because it is vile and disgusting. Obviously, He didn't feel the need to repeat Himself in the NT because it is just so... obvious, common sense.

The Sabbath ought to be the same. Okay, sure, He didn't expressly say "Obey the Sabbath Laws!" because most of those laws did not actually come from God. He told Israel to "don't do work on Sabbath", but other than that... the Ten Commandments say "Remember the Sabbath and Keep It Holy". Is it really THAT hard to do? Worship God a little extra on Saturday?

But as a post above mentioned.... too many people -- Christians included -- see Saturday as their Party Day where they go out and get into drunken stupors and they're doing things NO Christian should be doing on any day, much less God's Holy Day.

 

[bbbbbbb]

There's also no NT command for this.
Exodus 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt though lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Leviticus 20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Leviticus 20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Deuteronomy 27:21 Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.

How about this one, are we free to do this since it wasn't repeated?
Leviticus 19:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.

Likewise there are no biblical commands whatsoever against slavery, the use of tobacco, the use of opiates and other harmful drugs, or the use of alcohol. Using your logic we are permitted to engage in all of these things with divine approbation.

 

[Travis93]

Likewise there are no biblical commands whatsoever against slavery, the use of tobacco, the use of opiates and other harmful drugs, or the use of alcohol. Using your logic we are permitted to engage in all of these things with divine approbation.

On the contrary, all those condemned by the scriptures.
Exodus 21:16 He that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Deuteronomy 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebelious, he will not obey our voice, he is a glutton and a drunkard.
Galatians 5:20 Idolaltry, witchcraft (drug use), hatred, viariance, emiulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies
http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume15/TM015091.html

 

[Xalith]

On the contrary, all those condemned by the scriptures.
Exodus 21:16 He that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Deuteronomy 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebelious, he will not obey our voice, he is a glutton and a drunkard.
Galatians 5:20 Idolaltry, witchcraft (drug use), hatred, viariance, emiulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies
http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume15/TM015091.html

1). Where do you get witchcraft = drug use?
2). Exodus and Deuteronomy are OT. We were talking about NT. Nobody in the NT mentioned Slavery.

Now to @bbbbbbb , Jesus and Paul DO condemn drunkenness in the NT, several places. Just go to Biblegateway and search the word 'drunk' and you should find the verses.

 

[Travis93]

1). Where do you get witchcraft = drug use?
2). Exodus and Deuteronomy are OT. We were talking about NT. Nobody in the NT mentioned Slavery.

I gave the source I used for witchcraft referring to drug use. I don't usually use other Bible translations besides the KJV, but here's one where it's translated that way.
GOD'S WORD® Translation idolatry, drug use, hatred, rivalry, jealousy, angry outbursts, selfish ambition, conflict, factions,

Besides, the point I was making was that if you throw out commands like the Sabbath just because it isn't specifically repeated in the NT, it follows you are free to break other commands if they aren't repeated such as bestiality, selling your daughter as a prostitute, and so on. You aren't under the law anymore, right?

I'm in favor of keeping as much of the law of Moses as possible, since Jesus followed it as our example. Jesus said heaven and earth will pass before the law fails (Luke 16:17), and Paul said faith doesn't void the law (Romans 3:31).

 

[BobRyan]

Likewise there are no biblical commands whatsoever against slavery,

more Bible -- less 'making stuff up' please.

Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Matt 7 "Do unto others as you would have the do unto you"

Phil 2 "consider other more highly than yourself"

the use of tobacco, the use of opiates and other harmful drugs, or the use of alcohol.

1 Cor 6
"19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


1 Cor 3
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

 

[BobRyan]

To be honest, the Bible does indeed command us to Remember the Sabbath, but yet at the same time, it is a little vague on what "remember" means.

It's a day that we are meant to set aside as being more "holy" than the rest of the days.
get into drunken stupors and they're doing things NO Christian should be doing on any day, much less God's Holy Day.

It is devoted to God.
Lev 23 it is a day of "Holy convocation" Lev 23:1-4.
Is 66:23 "From SAbbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"
Ex 20:8-11 - no work on that day.
Is 58:13 - no seeking your own goof-off-time words and pleasure - but rather seek God. Do good for others.

 

[bbbbbbb]

1). Where do you get witchcraft = drug use?
2). Exodus and Deuteronomy are OT. We were talking about NT. Nobody in the NT mentioned Slavery.

Now to @bbbbbbb , Jesus and Paul DO condemn drunkenness in the NT, several places. Just go to Biblegateway and search the word 'drunk' and you should find the verses.

Yes, drunkenness is condemned, but the imbibing of alcohol is not. Witness Paul's advice to Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach, not to mention the wedding at Cana, and the Passover ceremony. Proverbs also condemns drunkenness.

 

[bbbbbbb]

On the contrary, all those condemned by the scriptures.
Exodus 21:16 He that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Deuteronomy 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebelious, he will not obey our voice, he is a glutton and a drunkard.
Galatians 5:20 Idolaltry, witchcraft (drug use), hatred, viariance, emiulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies
http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume15/TM015091.html

Slavery, as with polygamy and concubinage, was actually practiced by many godly individuals in scripture such as King David, the man after God's own heart, and Philemon. God did not condemn these individuals for these things nor should we.

It is a huge stretch to conflate witchcraft with all pharmaceuticals. Perish the thought that everyone who takes an aspirin is guilty of witchcraft.

 

[Bob S]

I'm in favor of keeping as much of the law of Moses as possible, since Jesus followed it as our example. Jesus said heaven and earth will pass before the law fails (Luke 16:17), and Paul said faith doesn't void the law (Romans 3:31).

Here is what Jesus said Travis: 17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.
What is the purpose of the law. Well Paul wrote that the purpose is to bring us to Christ. He also tells us the law ended with Jesus which corresponds to Matt 18. The purpose of the law ended at the Cross. God ended the covenant of rituals with Israel at Jesus death. At that point a new covenant was ushered in, the covenant of love.

Every detail of the Torah must be performed in order to be in compliance if you believe all was not accomplished at the Cross. That would mean that the sacrificial system of Torah is still part of the "details of God's law". Your theories do not add up with scripture. Are you too stubborn to realize that fact? I would ask the same of SDAs and all those who think they are somehow under parts of the law of Moses.

 

[BobRyan]

Is the Sabbath is BINDING on both Jews and also gentile believers? Let's answer the question "sola scriptura" and in so doing -- return to the actual subject of the thread.

In the OT Isaiah 66:23 states explicitly that the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" in Is 66:23
In Gen 2:1-3 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- Adam and Eve.
In Mark 2:27 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- "The Sabbath was made for mankind"
In Rev 14:7 it is all mankind that is called to worship God who "created the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water" - a quote from the Sabbath commandment
in Heb 4 "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people God" actually quotes the Sabbath Commandment and says it 'remains' just as it was in Psalms 95.
In Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".
In 56:1-8 the Gentiles are singled out and specifically blessed for keeping the weekly Sabbath.
James 2 points specifically to the TEN Commandments and says that the common element that would make us "guilty of all" is based on "He who said" -- and as it turns out God said all ten of them not just nine.
In Eph 6:2 - the entire unit of TEN is being identified when the text says "Honor thy father and mother for this is the FIRST commandment with a promise" -- that requires a specific unit of Law -- and is only true of the TEN.
Ex 20:8-11 it is BOTH Israel AND the gentile that "stays within their gates" that is bound to keep the Sabbath.
In Acts 18:4 both Gentiles AND Jews are worshiping "every Sabbath" so also in Acts 17:1-4 so also in Acts 13.

In your own statement you admit that the Jews would have known that the TEN Commandments - including the 4th Commandment were included in the "LAW of God" - so then when Jeremiah says that the NEW Covenant includes God writing His "LAW on our heart and mind" both Jeremiah and HIS readers would have known that it was sin to violate the Sabbath and that the 4th Commandment was included in God's moral LAW.

Facts so glaringly obvious that even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship does not turn a blind-eye to this particular Bible "detail" -- as we saw on page 1 of this thread
Feb 13, 2015 #1

Which helps the serious Bible student avoid the blunder of imagining that only SDAs see this Bible detail.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Here is what Jesus said Travis: 17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.
What is the purpose of the law. Well Paul wrote that the purpose is to bring us to Christ. He also tells us the law ended with Jesus which corresponds to Matt 18. The purpose of the law ended at the Cross. God ended the covenant of rituals with Israel at Jesus death. At that point a new covenant was ushered in, the covenant of love.

Every detail of the Torah must be performed in order to be in compliance if you believe all was not accomplished at the Cross. That would mean that the sacrificial system of Torah is still part of the "details of God's law". Your theories do not add up with scripture. Are you too stubborn to realize that fact? I would ask the same of SDAs and all those who think they are somehow under parts of the law of Moses.

My point exactly. All the advocates of keeping the Law merely pick and choose which commandments they want to obey and then decide how to obey them to fit their lifestyle and culture. They are complete hypocrites and will be judged accordingly unless they find grace in the sight of God.

 

[BobRyan]

"Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

My point exactly. All the advocates of keeping the Law merely pick and choose which commandments they want to obey... .

Meanwhile for the saints under the NEW Covenant "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33

 

[bbbbbbb]

"Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Meanwhile for the saints under the NEW Covenant "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33

So, how is that many indigenous Christians who only have the New Testament are blissfully ignorant of God's commandments in the OT?

 

[klutedavid]

Hello all.

Romans 6
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Romans 6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ

Romans 7
6 But now we have been released from the Law.

Romans 7
6 So that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

 

[BobRyan]

Hello all.

Romans 6
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Romans 6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ

Romans 7
6 But now we have been released from the Law.

Romans 7
6 So that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Hi David - and welcome.

Paul talks about Christians not being under the condemnation of the LAW at the same time he says that only the wicked refuse to submit to it - in Romans 8:4-9.

Such that the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 and Hebrews 8:6-10 writes the LAW of God known to Jeremiah on the heart and mind of the saints.

Which is why we have this post - on page one of this thread.

Ok so that was what we fine for "examples" illustrations in the NT of God's Ten Commandments - is there more? maybe from "all" of scripture?

Bible texts both NT and OT about God's Commandments - Showing that the TEN Commandments are assigned the title "in scripture" as being "Commandments of God" -- and as also being "The Word of God"

10 Commandments are
Commandments of God Neh 10:29
Law of God ; Neh 10:29
Word of God Mark 7:13
Commandment of GodMark 7:6-13
NT ScriptureJames 2:8
NT Law James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

The elders consisting of scribes and pharise es are in fact the "magisterium" even Paul admits to this. And Jesus shows how they claim to "sit in the chair of Moses" as church magisterium .


Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones?And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Matt 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



Note that in 1John 5 - John contrasts "LOVE", to the Commandments of God. He does not say "By this we know that we Love God -- if we Love God".

Rather John points to obedience to the WORD of God "the Commandments of God" as the sign that we truly to LOVE God. Being at war against his Word is not such a great sign of "loving God" as some had perhaps imagined.

1 John 5
"Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:1-3

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Paul affirms the Ten Commandments

1. Paul teaches that there remains therefore a "Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tellw gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justifIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul askw that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the LAw of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6. Paul tells gentiles that "The Law" is in fact "The LAW of Moses" and is to be used for testing doctrine 1Cor 9:8-9
7 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
8. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
(see point 5 below) AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
9. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.


Paul does explain his own acceptance of God's Law this way - in Acts 21


Christian church leaders like James were addressing what they consider a false accusation being made against the Apostle Paul.


Acts 21
21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

They suggest some solution to the problem with this conclusion

vs 24...so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.

Paul relies on the gentiles reading the OT as 'scripture' so he does not need to repeat it in his every letter.

As a result -
1. Paul never commands gentiles to "Love God WITH ALL your heart".
2. Paul never commands gentiles "not to take God's name in vain"
3. Paul never commands gentiles to ignore the writings of Moses.
4. Paul DOES tell gentiles that Moses' writings are still authoritative scripture in 1Cor 9:8-9 and 1Tim 5:18 and binding as being "Law" and as being "scripture".
5. Paul quotes from Moses and the TEN Commandments Eph 6:2. Full 5th commandment


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Acts 21 - to see just how far Paul was going to affirm the OT Law of God.

Acts 21
20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

(Many here would argue - "yeah... that is EXACTLY what Paul was doing!" - Paul goes out of his way to disprove it.



22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come.
23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;
24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.
.

And as also summarized here -

 

[BobRyan]

Hello all.

Romans 6
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Romans 6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ
.

Romans 6

So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.



1 Cor 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

so then --


1 John 3:4 - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" both in OT and also by NT standards

So then in Rom 6 Paul speaks about the obligation not to SIN - even though not "under the law" -- not under the condemnation of the LAW.

Rom 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered

1 john 2:1 "these things I write to you that you sin NOT"

The Covenant at Sinai with Israel included
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

 

[disciple1]

To be honest, the Bible does indeed command us to Remember the Sabbath, but yet at the same time, it is a little vague on what "remember" means.

It's a day that we are meant to set aside as being more "holy" than the rest of the days.

Now, if you examine our current world, and how it is run and governed... can you really say that God would like for every Police Officer, EMT, Paramedic, Doctor, Air Traffic Controller, etc to not work on Saturday? What about Store Clerks? Should every store close on Saturday?

Society would come to a grinding halt.

God didn't write "Do no work" on the Stone Tablets. No, He said "Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy". After the Stone Tablets were written, THEN He said "six days shalt thou labor" etc. This was part of Levitical Law given to Israel which, IMO, is different than the Ten Commandments that He expected to apply universally to everybody, including the Church.

And Christ Himself said that some work must be done... you wouldn't let a mule fall into a pit and not pull him out of the pit on a Sabbath, would you? Well I'm sure He doesn't want people dying on Saturday because there were no doctors or EMTs working either.

No, I think "Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy" means that we should pay extra attention to God on Saturday. We should do more worship, prayer, Bible Reading, etc on Saturday than we do any other day. And don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect, there are Saturdays (like this past one, it's 12:27AM Sunday as I write this) where I fell short and didn't do as much as I could have done.

But thankfully, we being Christians, can repent and ask for His forgiveness as long as we do so with an honest want and effort to change to be better next time.

The Church who worship on Sunday... to be honest, they should be worshipping on Saturday. If you don't believe Saturday is the Sabbath, you need only to go read the Gospels -- Christ was crucified on Friday, and they wanted to hurry up and get Him and the two thieves off their crosses and in graves "Before the Sabbath day". And we call it "Resurrection Sunday" for a reason; it's the day He rose from the dead... the day after Sabbath.

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This is a good point. Jesus talks about the Spirit of the Law. Some things are just common sense. God obviously does not want man sating his earthly lusts on beasts, because it is vile and disgusting. Obviously, He didn't feel the need to repeat Himself in the NT because it is just so... obvious, common sense.

The Sabbath ought to be the same. Okay, sure, He didn't expressly say "Obey the Sabbath Laws!" because most of those laws did not actually come from God. He told Israel to "don't do work on Sabbath", but other than that... the Ten Commandments say "Remember the Sabbath and Keep It Holy". Is it really THAT hard to do? Worship God a little extra on Saturday?

But as a post above mentioned.... too many people -- Christians included -- see Saturday as their Party Day where they go out and get into drunken stupors and they're doing things NO Christian should be doing on any day, much less God's Holy Day.

Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.

Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

 

[BobRyan]

To be honest, the Bible does indeed command us to Remember the Sabbath, but yet at the same time, it is a little vague on what "remember" means.

It's a day that we are meant to set aside as being more "holy" than the rest of the days.

So then when we read that "from SAbbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 does that give us some hint as to what it means to remember the day that is a "memorial" of God's creative act "For in SIX days the Lord made... and God rested the seventh day - blessed it -- made it holy".

And when we read in Lev 23:1-4 that it is one of the days of "Holy convocation" does that give us any sort of hint?

And we see that even the gentiles in Acts 18:4 are in the synagogues "every Sabbath" does that give us a hint?

 

[bugkiller]

It is devoted to God.
Lev 23 it is a day of "Holy convocation" Lev 23:1-4.
Is 66:23 "From SAbbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"
Ex 20:8-11 - no work on that day.

For who?

Is 58:13 - no seeking your own goof-off-time words and pleasure - but rather seek God. Do good for others.

bugkiller