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Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

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You're wasting your time here brother. Bugkiller has no intention of changing their mind. Why worry? They're arguing against God's word. Do you realize that? They're saying God didn't say what he did say that is in writing in both the old and new testaments.
They're not about learning the truth. They're about mocking your faith and the truth of God.

I believe it is correct to say that they do not intend to change their mind on this point. But I am not trying to convince them against their will - everyone has free will. I am simply hoping that the contrast between the many Bible evidences in favor of God's Commandments --- vs -- the position of those opposed to those texts ... is clearly seen by all readers of the thread. That way many others (some of whom never post) are given an opportunity to compare the two sides and make up their minds.

I respond on occasion to one of the 'empty comment posts' where opposition to the Commandments is expressed without any evidence at all to support it -- because doing so has the benefit of raising a thread topic like this one to the top of the "Active" list. I am also happy to do that by responding to a pro-Commandments-of-God post by someone other than me.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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The Sabbath was created before there were Jews in the world. .

Amen. It was made for mankind -- in creation week - when both mankind and the Sabbath were made! :)

I have a question for you - four angels standing... which four angels? The ones in Revelation 7? The 3 in Rev 14 plus the one in Rev 18? ... which??
 
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Amen. It was made for mankind -- in creation week - when both mankind and the Sabbath were made! :)

I have a question for you - four angels standing... which four angels? The ones in Revelation 7? The 3 in Rev 14 plus the one in Rev 18? ... which??
I had Revelation 7:11 in mind at the time I picked the name. :angel::angel::angel::angel:
 
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Since empty void posting is not at all needed - (And it appears to be encouraged if all I do is post the reference link to the point) -- I will show the substance for those links.

Another opportunity to evaluate the subject "sola scriptura" -

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1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.


============================= btw -

The elders consisting of scribes and pharisees are in fact the "magisterium" even Paul admits to this. And Jesus shows how they claim to "sit in the chair of Moses" as church magisterium .


Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat in the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

key details that the folks on page one of this thread may have missed as they wisely affirmed God's Ten Commandments but then chose to "edit".


1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13
 
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Since empty void posting is not at all needed - (And it appears to be encouraged if all I do is post the reference link to the point) -- I will show the substance for those links.



key details that the folks on page one of this thread may have missed as they wisely affirmed God's Ten Commandments but then chose to "edit".


1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13

Well, imagine that. God gave us ten commandments to obey and commanded us to ignore the other 603 that found their way surrepetitiously into the OT. And of the ten, the greatest of these is to relax and rest at home on Saturday.

It is a pity that you folks in the SDA can't even manage to do that.
 
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Well, imagine that. God gave us ten commandments to obey and commanded us to ignore the other 603 that found their way surrepetitiously into the OT...

Since God gave us 1050 commands in the NT - who here is going to chain-God's-hand and let Him know that there is a limit that He cannot go beyond??

I think that line of thinking is transparently flawed enough to be seen a mile away.
 
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Apparently D.L. Moody agrees.

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- D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.

The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was
- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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This Sabbath Commandment section of Moody's Ten Commandm[FONT=&quot]ent sermon goes quot]on with more detail. Here is a segment of that same section -- the en[FONT=&quot]ding concluding segment - that might help she[FONT=&quot]d even more light on Moody's Intent - #229 post is on this[/QUOTE]
 
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Since God gave us 1050 commands in the NT - who here is going to chain-God's-hand and let Him know that there is a limit that He cannot go beyond??

I think that line of thinking is transparently flawed enough to be seen a mile away.

So, if that is the case, where is Sabbath-keeping commanded in the NT?
 
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So, if that is the case, where is Sabbath-keeping commanded in the NT?
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abidith in him out himself also to walk, even as he walked.
So if we walk as Jesus walk, that means observing Sabbath, since he kept it: Luke 4:16, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Following Paul's example means keeping the sabbath as he did: Acts 13:14-15, Acts 13:33-34, Acts 17:2-4, Acts 18:4-11

There doesn't need to be a NT command for anything, if we walk as Jesus walked it means keeping all of the law, since he did. Plus he told us not to think the law was abolished or teach others that: Matthew 7:17-19, Luke 16:17 Paul also said not to think the law is voided by faith: Romans 3:31
 
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Jesus said the commandments were still valid in his day. Being those are the moral laws that are to govern the church that is one in Christ, I don't think they've been repealed in over 2000 years.
If so, that first commandment that makes for the worship of the Father in a monotheistic faith doesn't apply either.

Though I have to admit it would probably amaze some to see 44 pages arguing that the 10 commands of Christ are void now. Save for God knowing that was coming too. :( I pray no member of the church is misled by falsehoods. And instead cling to the truth of God and Christ Jesus. The 10 commandments are still valid. When Jesus said so and died to prove it there's no arguing against it. Well there is but that's not really an argument for God's word and ways now is it.

Jude 1:18
1 Timothy 4:1
2 Peter 3:3
 
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1 John 2:6 He that saith he abidith in him out himself also to walk, even as he walked.
So if we walk as Jesus walk, that means observing Sabbath, since he kept it: Luke 4:16, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Following Paul's example means keeping the sabbath as he did: Acts 13:14-15, Acts 13:33-34, Acts 17:2-4, Acts 18:4-11

There doesn't need to be a NT command for anything, if we walk as Jesus walked it means keeping all of the law, since he did. Plus he told us not to think the law was abolished or teach others that: Matthew 7:17-19, Luke 16:17 Paul also said not to think the law is voided by faith: Romans 3:31
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.

Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
 
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Apparently D.L. Moody agrees.

======================================================


- D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.

The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was
- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

------------------------------------------

This Sabbath Commandment section of Moody's Ten Commandm[FONT=&quot]ent sermon goes quot]on with more detail. Here is a segment of that same section -- the en[FONT=&quot]ding concluding segment - that might help she[FONT=&quot]d even more light on Moody's Intent - #229 post is on this
[/QUOTE]
This shows the truth about DL Moody,RC Sproul,Matthew Henry,Thomas Watson.
James chapter 3 verse 1 and 2
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
 
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1 John 2:6 He that saith he abidith in him out himself also to walk, even as he walked.
So if we walk as Jesus walk, that means observing Sabbath, since he kept it: Luke 4:16, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Following Paul's example means keeping the sabbath as he did: Acts 13:14-15, Acts 13:33-34, Acts 17:2-4, Acts 18:4-11

There doesn't need to be a NT command for anything, if we walk as Jesus walked it means keeping all of the law, since he did. Plus he told us not to think the law was abolished or teach others that: Matthew 7:17-19, Luke 16:17 Paul also said not to think the law is voided by faith: Romans 3:31
Were you baptized nude out doors in running water?

Have you walked on water?

Have you turned water into wine?

Who have you healed by commanding it?

bugkiller
 
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1 John 2:6 He that saith he abidith in him out himself also to walk, even as he walked.
So if we walk as Jesus walk, that means observing Sabbath, since he kept it: Luke 4:16, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Following Paul's example means keeping the sabbath as he did: Acts 13:14-15, Acts 13:33-34, Acts 17:2-4, Acts 18:4-11

There doesn't need to be a NT command for anything, if we walk as Jesus walked it means keeping all of the law, since he did. Plus he told us not to think the law was abolished or teach others that: Matthew 7:17-19, Luke 16:17 Paul also said not to think the law is voided by faith: Romans 3:31

Cute theological spins. Thank you, however, for admitting that there is no NT Sabbath commandment.
 
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Cute theological spins. Thank you, however, for admitting that there is no NT Sabbath commandment.

There's also no NT command for this.
Exodus 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt though lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Leviticus 20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Leviticus 20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Deuteronomy 27:21 Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.

How about this one, are we free to do this since it wasn't repeated?
Leviticus 19:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.
 
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