Bowing out - Star Trek

[JustOneWay]

Freedom has always been an important issue with Conservatives. Enforced conformity is the virtue valued by their opponents.

The makers of a fictional movie have the freedom to make a movie. Do conservatives value the freedom of others, or is this just conservatives thinking they own freedom for themselves and others who see freedom as they see it?

 

[Archivist]

I would classify it as shoving it down my throat by taking a character that was not gay and making them gay just to satisfy their need to "re-educate people like me". It would have been more legitimate had they introduced a new character who just happened to be gay, though I would still have had to bow out. BECAUSE, Other than the fact that Kirk was promisquous , sexuality was not the subject of this show. the show was about discovery and the struggle for survival. Those things are dramatic enough and universal in their understanding.

We actually don't know what Sulu's sexual orientation was. It was never mentioned in TOS or in the later movies. We do know that he had a daughter, Demora Sulu, who appeared in Star Trek Generations, but that does not mean that he couldn't have been gay.

It seems About 95% of movies and television stories are mostly about sex. I grant that sex can be an interesting subject, but it's not THAT interesting. It also tells me the writers in Hollywood are utterly and completely devoid of imagination. Perhaps if they would quit smoking the medical weed and get out of Los Angeles for a while they would notice there is an entire world out there struggling to survive. Plenty of drama there.

And exactly how does having a gay character make sexuality the subject of the show? Troi and Worf dated on TNG, does that mean that sex was the subject of that show?

 

[Albion]

Enforced conformity with gender-role stereotypes?

That would be an example. You know as well as I do that no one is safe from repercussions if he doesn't turn on a dimeand start nodding approval when the Left decides to invent new genders, etc.

 

[JustOneWay]

That would be an example. You know as well as I do that no one is safe from repercussions if he doesn't turn on a dimeand start nodding approval when the Left decides to invent new genders, etc.

How many genders are there, and how many of them has the left made up?

 

[revanneosl]

Also, and just to remind you, lots of gay people have kids.

 

[Albion]

Also, and just to remind you, lots of gay people have kids.

Several posts...and we're now miles away from the question you asked and the answer to it that I gave.

 

[Archivist]

That would be an example. You know as well as I do that no one is safe from repercussions if he doesn't turn on a dimeand start nodding approval when the Left decides to invent new genders, etc.

What new gender is being invented here?

 

[JustOneWay]

What new gender is being invented here?

Obviously, a fictional one considering Sulu is a fictional character from the future flying warp 12 through the galaxy....

 

[Archivist]

Obviously, a fictional one considering Sulu is a fictional character from the future flying warp 12 through the galazy....

I thought warp 9 was maximum speed for the Enterprise?

 

[JustOneWay]

I thought warp 9 was maximum speed for the Enterprise?

According to the Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology (p. 180) and Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise (p. 14), after the refit of the Constitution-class USS Enterprise in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, the maximum speed of the ship was warp factor 12.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_factor




Also bear in mind that in the new and improved Star Trek, Scotty can beam a person across the galaxy onto a ship traveling warp speed.

Gotta love fiction!

 

[RDKirk]

Edit: They did change Spock's sexuality. In this alternate timeline he shows more emotion and is in steady relationship with Uhura. In the original timeline, he was a frigid Vulcan who only had marital relations once every 7 years and would fight to the death to avoid a divorce. You can't make this stuff up.

That difference may have been evoked (or at least referenced) by the question Spock asked his father. In both universes, Spock asks his Vulcan father Sarek why he married his human mother Amanda.

In the TOS universe, Sarek responds, "Because it seemed the logical thing to do."

In the new "Kelvin" universe, Sarek responds, "Because I loved her."

I think the difference in those responses is supposed to indicate how and why the Kelvin Spock gives in more to his human emotions while the TOS Spock fought them.

 

[Archivist]

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_factor Also bear in mind that in the new and improved Star Trek, Scotty can beam a person across the galaxy onto a ship traveling warp speed. Gotta love fiction!

Although in the link you provided, it states that the Enterprise was going maximum warp, which was warp 8, from Earth to Vulcan under Captain Pike's command. Of course in the new alternate universe the ship has not yet undergone a refit. Perhaps we can say that Sulu has gone warp 12 in another Star Trek Universe, and will probably be doing so again in this one assuming that in this universe the Enterprise will undergo a similiar refit. Will that mean another encounter between the Enterprise and V'ger? Anothe Lt. Ilia?

Hard to imagine traveling at warp, let alone beaming a person from a ship going at warp. Of course when TOS first appeared nobody could belive the communicator devices that everyone carried. Today we call them cell phones. Who knows just what the future might hold!

 

[W2L]

I just ignore the politics of Hollywood. Im more disturbed by other things though. Is this a new movie coming out that you are referring to? CBS is also coming out with a new Star Trek series in 2017

 

[JustOneWay]

Although in the link you provided, it states that the Enterprise was going maximum warp, which was warp 8, from Earth to Vulcan under Captain Pike's command. Of course in the new alternate universe the ship has not yet undergone a refit. Perhaps we can say that Sulu has gone warp 12 in another Star Trek Universe, and will probably be doing so again in this one assuming that in this universe the Enterprise will undergo a similiar refit. Will that mean another encounter between the Enterprise and V'ger? Anothe Lt. Ilia?

Hard to imagine traveling at warp, let alone beaming a person from a ship going at warp. Of course when TOS first appeared nobody could belive the communicator devices that everyone carried. Today we call them cell phones. Who knows just what the future might hold!

All I need is training to do the Vulcan nerve pinch

 

[pgp_protector]

So From the beginning when you had Cross Species mating (Kirk & every alien planet he visited almost : D) You have no problem with.
But this crosses the line?

 

[pgp_protector]

I thought warp 9 was maximum speed for the Enterprise?

He sorta blew warp 10 out of the water.

 

[redleghunter]

That difference may have been evoked (or at least referenced) by the question Spock asked his father. In both universes, Spock asks his Vulcan father Sarek why he married his human mother Amanda.

In the TOS universe, Sarek responds, "Because it seemed the logical thing to do."

In the new "Kelvin" universe, Sarek responds, "Because I loved her."

I think the difference in those responses is supposed to indicate how and why the Kelvin Spock gives in more to his human emotions while the TOS Spock fought them.

That was deep man...

 

[Archivist]

He sorta blew warp 10 out of the water.

The Traveler--really liked him. Of course that was not Sulu's Enterprise.

 

[JustOneWay]

The Traveler--really liked him. Of course that was not Sulu's Enterprise.

The new Star Trek is not the old Star Trek.

Remember, there is no planet Vulcan, and Kahn won't kill Kirk's son.

 

[Archivist]

The new Star Trek is not the old Star Trek. Remember, there is no planet Vulcan, and Kahn won't kill Kirk's son.

Yes, we all get that it is all fiction. That's a given. No one here is claiming that it is reality. However, we know certain things in this fictional world, one of which being that at the current point in this fictional world Sulu's Enterprise has not yet gone warp 12.