The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

[amariselle]

I'm more interested in how you justify this choice given that the existence of the scientific community is not in doubt, but the existence of god is.

How is the existence of God in doubt?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

How is the existence of God in doubt?

It has not been established.

 

[amariselle]

It has not been established.

That's irrelevant. Science does not have any authority in this regard. Scientists can neither say God exists or that He doesn't.

Nothing in science calls God's existence into doubt, because God's existence or non-existence is completely beyond the realm of science.

There are no scientific studies and no scientific observations that can be made in any field or lab when it comes to God or anything supernatural and spiritual.

Science cannot study God. Science cannot call God's existence into question. Science deals only with the empirically observable, that which can be observed and tested.

So, what's your point?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That's irrelevant. Science does not have any authority in this regard. Scientists can neither say God exists or that He doesn't.

But science does have authority over matters of biology, which is what we are discussing.

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So, what's your point?

You seem more inclined to believe in religious dogmas that have not been established as true than in scientific discoveries that have.

 

[amariselle]

But science does have authority over matters of biology, which is what we are discussing.

Actually, it would seem that you wanted to discuss the existence of God and how His existence is "in doubt."

It seems you wanted to point that out as a relevant concern as to why I would choose to believe in God, and how I "justify" my choice.

You said:

I'm more interested in how you justify this choice given that the existence of the scientific community is not in doubt, but the existence of god is.

And I asked you why the existence of God is "in doubt", and you replied that His existence is in doubt because it "hasn't been established."

But, as I said, that is irrelevant because the establishment of God's existence or non-existence is beyond the realm and scope of science. Science has NOTHING whatsoever to say in regard to establishing God's existence.

You seem more inclined to believe in religious dogmas that have not been established as true than in scientific discoveries that have.

Again, science cannot establish God's existence.

And I've already explained to you why I have concerns about modern science.

So, please tell me, why do you care so much about what I believe?

Why is it important to you that I have chosen to put God above science?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Actually, it would seem that you wanted to discuss the existence of God and how His existence is "in doubt."

It seems you wanted to point that out as a relevant concern as to why I would choose to believe in God, and how I "justify" my choice.

You said:



And I asked you why the existence of God is "in doubt", and you replied that His existence is in doubt because it "hasn't been established."

But, as I said, that is irrelevant because the establishment of God's existence or non-existence is beyond the realm and scope of science. Science has NOTHING whatsoever to say in regard to establishing God's existence.



Again, science cannot establish God's existence.

And I've already explained to you why I have concerns about modern science.

So, please tell me, why do you care so much about what I believe?

Why is it important to you that I have chosen to put God above science?

Because, as I already said, the existence of the scientific community is not in doubt. So the only question that remains is whether it can be relied on for knowledge in biology. The existence of god is in doubt. So the question of whether a god can be relied on for knowledge in biology is thereby also in doubt.

 

[amariselle]

Because, as I already said, the existence of the scientific community is not in doubt. So the only question that remains is whether it can be relied on for knowledge in biology. The existence of god is in doubt. So the question of whether a god can be relied on for knowledge in biology is thereby also in doubt.

The existence of God is not in doubt as far as science is concerned. Science has no authority when it comes to the question of God's existence.

And since science has no authority on the question of God's existence, it also has no authority on the question of whether God can be trusted or relied on. These questions are not scientific questions.

And yes, obviously the existence of the scientific community is not in doubt. The honesty and accuracy of its claims on the other hand? That's another matter altogether.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The existence of God is not in doubt as far as science is concerned. Science has no authority when it comes to the question of God's existence.

And since science has no authority on the question of God's existence, it also has no authority on the question of whether God can be trusted or relied on. These questions are not scientific questions.

And yes, obviously the existence of the scientific community is not in doubt. The honesty and accuracy of its claims on the other hand? That's another matter altogether.

Yes, but it remains in doubt, even if we were to concede that "science has no authority when it comes to the question of God's existence."

 

[amariselle]

Yes, but it remains in doubt, even if we were to concede that "science has no authority when it comes to the question of God's existence."

I'm sure His existence is "in doubt" to some, but that isn't a question of science is all I was saying.

In any case, His existence is not in doubt to me.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I'm sure His existence is "in doubt" to some, but that isn't a question of science is all I was saying.

In any case, His existence is not in doubt to me.

But how life diversified on this planet is a scientific question. So why are you relying on sources whose existence is in doubt and whose authority has not been established in seeking an answer to that question?

 

[amariselle]

But how life diversified on this planet is a scientific question. So why are you relying on sources whose existence is in doubt and whose authority has not been established in seeking an answer to that question?

I just told you, God's existence is not in doubt to me. I believe I can rely on Him completely and on His word.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I just told you, God's existence is not in doubt to me. I believe I can rely on Him completely and on His word.

Okay, then argue for it. Why should we consider yours the "higher authority," when your authority seems to be based on a source whose very existence has yet to be established?

 

[Kenny'sID]

But how life diversified on this planet is a scientific question. So why are you relying on sources whose existence is in doubt and whose authority has not been established in seeking an answer to that question?

Whose authority has not been established??

You have got to be kidding. You are not the only person residing on this planet.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Whose authority has not been established??

You have got to be kidding. You are not the only person residing on this planet.

amariselle claims to be appealing to a higher authority, one whose purported authority has not been established.

 

[bhsmte]

What I don't think is that you can label someone unintelligent because of what they say on this forum.

Not everyone is good at clearly articulating their thoughts in writing, for instance.

And as for me, well, so I'm not some kind of technology expert, does that make me unintelligent overall?

You can most certainly, determine if someone is displaying ignorance on certain topics.

 

[Kenny'sID]

amariselle claims to be appealing to a higher authority, one whose purported authority has not been established.

Of course it's established, and by millions. Your beliefs and opinions are not the only ones that exist my friend.

 

[bhsmte]

How is the existence of God in doubt?

For me it is simple, no evidence to support this deity exists.

You see, I want to believe in as many true things as possible. To do so, I like to be in touch with well evidenced reality.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Of course it's established, and by millions. Your beliefs and opinions are not the only ones that exist my friend.

By millions of what?

 

[Kenny'sID]

By millions of what?

Sorry, more like billions. Of what? Take a guess.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Sorry, more like billions. Of what? Take a guess.

Billions of what?