Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

[BobRyan]

In short response to the first of your question, are the ten commandments still valid, of course they are. Jesus even said as much in his ministry. So too is the Sabbath the same day as that which Jesus celebrated. There's not a single scripture that changes that to Sunday.

I'd advise a different trajectory in a thread this long and full of conflict personalities.

What do you actually have to prove or defend against those opposed to the inspired written words of God? God said it! That's for longer than either of us have been alive what the Bible was seen to be. The inspired words of God.
Who argues that's a lie is a liar. Plain and simple.

you make a lot of good points - however my purpose is not to try and convince those who are determined to ignore the key bible texts that speak to the details of this topic.

My purpose is to use their posts as a helpful "contrast" with my posts - so that the objective unbiased reader can see the two sides clearly and make up their minds -- being informed by the texts - rather than having the key texts hidden in the shadows.

So while I do agree with you that my posts are never going to convince someone who is determined to ignore the texts that make the case - I also think that there are others who read and do not post -- or who read and seldom post that see the two sides of the debate - and then decide.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

you make a lot of good points - however my purpose is not to try and convince those who are determined to ignore the key bible texts that speak to the details of this topic.

My purpose is to use their posts as a helpful "contrast" with my posts - so that the objective unbiased reader can see the two sides clearly and make up their minds -- being informed by the texts - rather than having the key texts hidden in the shadows.

So while I do agree with you that my posts are never going to convince someone who is determined to ignore the texts that make the case - I also think that there are others who read and do not post -- or who read and seldom post that see the two sides of the debate - and then decide.

Hi, fairly new member here.
I'd ask you what would those people you're referring to then decide? To choose the side that argues against Jesus teachings? Is that really a choice as a Christian?
As a Christian it is a matter of what God, who was Jesus, stated. God gave his ministry in the old testament. Then he arrived to deliver a new covenant after becoming the final sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. Saving those who believe that and have their sins washed in that blood to become new creations that are spotless as the lamb that was slain to make it so.

People argue against the scriptures and then demand scripture proof that the ten commandments are still valid today? Don't you find that a bit odd? Does that ultimatum they provide to Christians in this thread reflect a knowledge of the Bible they attempt to dismiss in their argument against what it says?

What decide? The world has to decide already. Live condemned by their sin or find their way to the truth of Jesus Christ and be resurrected in the love and life of Christ free of their sin. Period!

Scriptural proof? Does it matter to those content to disavow what is already written?
Here goes just for the benefit of supporting the Christians here who read the Bible and trust Jesus.
Luke 16:17
Matthew Chapter five and particularly verses 17 and 18. Those that argue the ten commandments don't apply any more nor does the Sabbath still stand will use that scripture to argue Jesus fulfilled the law. While living on an earth that is still here. Jesus fulfilled the scripture in Matthew 3:13-16 by being Baptized. Verse15, Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.”

Is Baptism no longer applicable?

Let's continue shall we? These verses will link to the scripture itself if you click on the blue text that appears.

Matthew 22:37-40 The laws of God are laws of God and thus your neighbor as well. Did Jesus state that doesn't apply anymore? Or are the non-Jews here hoping to argue that Jesus only saved the Jews and therein only Jews are Christians? If that's their game then if they're not a Jew they're not a Christian.

Let's keep going because this particular passage is key. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
That right there shuts down those who argue the commandments of God that Jesus reiterated in the new covenant no longer apply. If they insist then the passage speaks to them and from Christ himself.
Let's continue along that line shall we? John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

And who of us forgets Jesus sermon on the mount in Matthew 5?

Not only did Jesus recall much of the ten commandments but he expanded upon them. Like when he spoke of the 6th commandment, thou shalt not murder, in Matthew 5:21-22. (*That no longer applies? If you meet a self professing Christian that doesn't think that prohibition applies, RUN!) And he expanded on the 7th commandment in Matthew 5:27-28.
Remember too that Jesus foresaw the great falling away from the truth of his word and the love of God. The law's Jesus recalled in his ministry, expanded upon, were rooted in God's love and the love of God's people for him. Matthew 24:12, And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

I would say that what you're saying when you believe you're presenting Godly scripture and arguments for the ten commandments against those opposed so that people may choose, was already addressed by Jesus himself and to the Pharisees that were about that very same arguments as are being made by the opposing side here, but in Jesus time.
Matthew 15:3-9 But he answered and said unto them, 3.Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4. For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.



But those worldly teachers both then and now do that at their great peril as Jesus also forewarned in Matthew 13:41.
The ten commandments are about honoring God and not committing certain sins. When does that expire exactly?Because that is exactly what is being argued, that you claim can be a choice and really it can be because people choose to sin all the time, but not for the Christian it is not so.

Wherein does the permission to sin in the scriptures appear? If the ten commandments that address sin and honoring God no longer apply?

I love this verse. John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Are the ten commandments exempt from that making?
The commandments are the authority of God commanding the faithful to behave, right? When does that expire? When does right living, righteous living, no longer apply for the Christian, those who are in Christ?

Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Oh yes, it is a choice to follow Jesus! So too is it a choice to take him at his word.

 

[PsychoeDial]

Hi, fairly new member here.
I'd ask you what would those people you're referring to then decide? To choose the side that argues against Jesus teachings? Is that really a choice as a Christian?

I snipped for brevity. My grandchild sent me a make your own smiley link. I've wondered how I'd make use of that save to use it to thank her. Now I know. Bless your soul.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In short response to the first of your question, are the ten commandments still valid, of course they are. Jesus even said as much in his ministry. So too is the Sabbath the same day as that which Jesus celebrated. There's not a single scripture that changes that to Sunday.

What do you actually have to prove or defend against those opposed to the inspired written words of God? God said it! That's for longer than either of us have been alive what the Bible was seen to be. The inspired words of God.
Who argues that's a lie is a liar. Plain and simple.

Get it brother? You're arguing with people who are telling you they don't believe in God!

And they want you to defend why you do.

Oh really!? That's a pretty bold statement there friend.

Do you keep the Friday-Sat Sabbath that the apostate non-Christian Jews do? Just curious. Thanks

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/both-saturday-and-sunday-sabbath-are-wrong.7912989/
Both Saturday and Sunday Sabbath are Wrong

Almost all of the volumes of books arguing Sunday vs. Saturday Sabbath fail to understand that the Israelites used a calendar using a combination of the lunar and solar cycle.

Sir Robert Anderson used the 360 day calendar in some of his arguments about Bible prophecy. However, he failed to understand the Israelites made regular corrections to keep the calendar aligned with the solar calendar. If this had not been done, the time of planting would have been in Fall instead of Spring in less than 40 years.

The following article does an excellent job of explaining the Sabbath during ancient times and uses scripture to validate it's claims.

http://christianitybeliefs.org/the-falling-away/the-sabbath-was-changed-to-sunday/

If you are committed to keeping the Old Testament Sabbath, you will need a lunar calendar.

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We know the Roman calendar was changed a number of times, before the Julian calendar was devised.

At one time the Romans used a week of 8 days.

The Romans also used calendars at least partially based on the moon in the past.

We also know some of the Israelite feasts were based on the New Moon cycles.

The Israelites had to make corrections to their calendar periodically to make up for the difference between their year and the solar cycle of 365 1/4 days.

What you are claiming does not match up to the calendars from ancient times, such as the one in the link below.

http://www.crystalinks.com/romecalendar.html

This next link shows the use of the Lunar cycles by the Israelites.

http://www.crivoice.org/calendar.html

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[PsychoeDial]

Oh really!? That's a pretty bold statement there friend.

Do you keep the Friday-Sat Sabbath that the apostate non-Christian Jews do? Just curious. Thanks

I think you've confused your reply button in your quotes friend.

 

[BobRyan]

Oh really!? That's a pretty bold statement there friend.

Do you keep the Friday-Sat Sabbath that the apostate non-Christian Jews do? Just curious. Thanks

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Did Isaiah keep it - when in Is 66:23 HE predicted that for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"?

Did Christ keep it when in Luke 4:16 "according to His custom" He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath - in obedience to the Commandments of God - instead of in rebellion against them?

Is it because Isaiah and Jesus were evil apostates that they refused to be in rebellion against the Commandments of God?

Is Paul evil when in Rom 3:31 HE says "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God"

Is Paul being "evil and apostate" in your view - when in 1 Cor 7:19 HE says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" when contrasting the ceremonial law of circumcision with the moral law of God that defines what sin is.

Is John being evil and apostate in your view - when in 1 John 3:4 he tells us that "SIN IS transgression of the LAW"?

Was Paul being "evil" in Acts 13 and 17 when he preached the Gospel Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath - to gentiles -- and also to Jews in the Synagogues? (No matter the opposition by the Jews).

Or in Acts 18 when HE did that "every Sabbath"?

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Are you interested in a "sola scriptura" comparison of the Bible Sabbath to week-day-1?

Yesterday at 7:54 AM #1

Just curious.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

I wanted to find a Hebrew calendar reference for days of the week being we're a faith that rises off the prophecies of the Jewish scriptures. This may inform the topic.
The Jewish Calendar Mindfulness of the Divine Rhythm



Goodnight, God grant you all peaceful rest.

 

[bugkiller]

Hi, fairly new member here.
I'd ask you what would those people you're referring to then decide? To choose the side that argues against Jesus teachings? Is that really a choice as a Christian?
As a Christian it is a matter of what God, who was Jesus, stated. God gave his ministry in the old testament. Then he arrived to deliver a new covenant after becoming the final sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. Saving those who believe that and have their sins washed in that blood to become new creations that are spotless as the lamb that was slain to make it so.

People argue against the scriptures and then demand scripture proof that the ten commandments are still valid today? Don't you find that a bit odd? Does that ultimatum they provide to Christians in this thread reflect a knowledge of the Bible they attempt to dismiss in their argument against what it says?

What decide? The world has to decide already. Live condemned by their sin or find their way to the truth of Jesus Christ and be resurrected in the love and life of Christ free of their sin. Period!

Scriptural proof? Does it matter to those content to disavow what is already written?
Here goes just for the benefit of supporting the Christians here who read the Bible and trust Jesus.
Luke 16:17
Matthew Chapter five and particularly verses 17 and 18. Those that argue the ten commandments don't apply any more nor does the Sabbath still stand will use that scripture to argue Jesus fulfilled the law. While living on an earth that is still here. Jesus fulfilled the scripture in Matthew 3:13-16 by being Baptized. Verse15, Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.”

Is Baptism no longer applicable?

Let's continue shall we? These verses will link to the scripture itself if you click on the blue text that appears.

Matthew 22:37-40 The laws of God are laws of God and thus your neighbor as well. Did Jesus state that doesn't apply anymore? Or are the non-Jews here hoping to argue that Jesus only saved the Jews and therein only Jews are Christians? If that's their game then if they're not a Jew they're not a Christian.

Let's keep going because this particular passage is key. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
That right there shuts down those who argue the commandments of God that Jesus reiterated in the new covenant no longer apply. If they insist then the passage speaks to them and from Christ himself.
Let's continue along that line shall we? John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

And who of us forgets Jesus sermon on the mount in Matthew 5?

Not only did Jesus recall much of the ten commandments but he expanded upon them. Like when he spoke of the 6th commandment, thou shalt not murder, in Matthew 5:21-22. (*That no longer applies? If you meet a self professing Christian that doesn't think that prohibition applies, RUN!) And he expanded on the 7th commandment in Matthew 5:27-28.
Remember too that Jesus foresaw the great falling away from the truth of his word and the love of God. The law's Jesus recalled in his ministry, expanded upon, were rooted in God's love and the love of God's people for him. Matthew 24:12, And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

I would say that what you're saying when you believe you're presenting Godly scripture and arguments for the ten commandments against those opposed so that people may choose, was already addressed by Jesus himself and to the Pharisees that were about that very same arguments as are being made by the opposing side here, but in Jesus time.
Matthew 15:3-9 But he answered and said unto them, 3.Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4. For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.



But those worldly teachers both then and now do that at their great peril as Jesus also forewarned in Matthew 13:41.
The ten commandments are about honoring God and not committing certain sins. When does that expire exactly?Because that is exactly what is being argued, that you claim can be a choice and really it can be because people choose to sin all the time, but not for the Christian it is not so.

Wherein does the permission to sin in the scriptures appear? If the ten commandments that address sin and honoring God no longer apply?

I love this verse. John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Are the ten commandments exempt from that making?
The commandments are the authority of God commanding the faithful to behave, right? When does that expire? When does right living, righteous living, no longer apply for the Christian, those who are in Christ?

Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Oh yes, it is a choice to follow Jesus! So too is it a choice to take him at his word.

Hmmm!

I read -

4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. I Tim

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Rom 7

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. JN 1

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Mat 26

What saith thou? If you need more let me know.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Did Isaiah keep it - when in Is 66:23 HE predicted that for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"?

Did Christ keep it when in Luke 4:16 "according to His custom" He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath - in obedience to the Commandments of God - instead of in rebellion against them?

Is it because Isaiah and Jesus were evil apostates that they refused to be in rebellion against the Commandments of God?

Were Isaiah and Jesus circumcised Israeli?

Is Paul evil when in Rom 3:31 HE says "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God"

Nope!! What do you think your trying to pull off?

Is Paul being "evil and apostate" in your view - when in 1 Cor 7:19 HE says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" when contrasting the ceremonial law of circumcision with the moral law of God that defines what sin is.

No more than when Paul says -

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Rom 7

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Gal 5

Is John being evil and apostate in your view - when in 1 John 3:4 he tells us that "SIN IS transgression of the LAW"?

No more than when John says -

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. JN 10

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. JN 14

Was Paul being "evil" in Acts 13 and 17 when he preached the Gospel Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath - to gentiles -- and also to Jews in the Synagogues? (No matter the opposition by the Jews).

Are you then evil because you don't attend the synagogue? Are you preaching to the lost or Christians? Why aren't you preaching Jesus instead of the law which didn't come by Jesus? See above JN 1:17.

Or in Acts 18 when HE did that "every Sabbath"?

Which Sabbath are you in the synagogue?

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Are you interested in a "sola scriptura" comparison of the Bible Sabbath to week-day-1?

Yesterday at 7:54 AM #1

Just curious.

Yeah me too. Are you interested?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

How bout Jeremiah 6:10?

http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/6-10.htm

Jeremiah 6:10?
To whom do I speak, and testify, and they hear? Behold! their ear is uncircumcised, And they are not able to attend.
Behold! a word of Jehovah hath been to them for a reproach, They delight not in it.

Acts 7:51
'Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and in ears! ye do always the Holy Spirit resist; as your fathers -- also ye;

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.

Forgot bout the heart. Ears are much easier to see.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

None of my statements require that gentiles become part of the literal Jewish nation or be circumcised, or offer animal sacrifices after the cross - to be saved.

Details matter.

What is more the Bible is very... very clear on this point.
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Jer 31:31-33 says the NEW Covenant is with the "House of Israel and the House of Judah" -- the people of God.
Heb 8:6-10 says the NEW Covenant is STILL with the "house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- the people of God.

Romans 2 say "HE is not a Jew who is one OUTWARDLY but he is a Jew who is one INWARDLY" -- the people of God.

Rom 2
27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Is 66:23 the Sabbath is for "ALL MANKIND" according to the text.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made FOR MANKIND not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of Creation WEEK - Bible Sabbath.

Those who "imagine" that not-taking God's name in vain -- (A commandment never quoted in the NT) is not for Christians - have imagined a vain thing.

For all eternity - after the cross -

Is 66:23 " FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made

Ex 20:8,11 Remember the Sabbath day to KEEP it holy..
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sbbath day and made it holy.

Is 56

2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
..
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND - not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of the MAKING of both in Gen 1-2:3



in Christ,

Bob

Then there is no requirement to observe the law for them.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

None of my statements require that gentiles become part of the literal Jewish nation or be circumcised, or offer animal sacrifices after the cross - to be saved.

Details matter.

What is more the Bible is very... very clear on this point.
===========================================

Jer 31:31-33 says the NEW Covenant is with the "House of Israel and the House of Judah" -- the people of God.
Heb 8:6-10 says the NEW Covenant is STILL with the "house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- the people of God.

Romans 2 say "HE is not a Jew who is one OUTWARDLY but he is a Jew who is one INWARDLY" -- the people of God.

Rom 2
27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Is 66:23 the Sabbath is for "ALL MANKIND" according to the text.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made FOR MANKIND not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of Creation WEEK - Bible Sabbath.

Those who "imagine" that not-taking God's name in vain -- (A commandment never quoted in the NT) is not for Christians - have imagined a vain thing.

For all eternity - after the cross -

Is 66:23 " FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made

Ex 20:8,11 Remember the Sabbath day to KEEP it holy..
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sbbath day and made it holy.

Is 56

2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
..
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND - not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of the MAKING of both in Gen 1-2:3



in Christ,

Bob

Thought you just said one doesn't that one have to become a Jew and yet you empathize who the covenant is made with while ignoring Acts.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Read the first page then - and don't skip the Bible texts.

How many times does one need to read the first page?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Of course the Ten commandments are still valid. There is a difference, you see, between what is commonly called "The Ten Commandments" and the actual Judaic "Law"- The Law was a series of 613 statutes that all Jews had to obey in order to be seen in right standing with God, whereas the Ten Commandments were ten specific things the Lord had pointed out that stood out as things to seriously not do (chief among them worshipping any god other than the one true God). Just because we no longer have to follow all 613 Laws of the old covenant doesn't mean that the Ten Commandments are invalid. It is still a sin to murder someone, just as it is still a sin to cheat on your wife or steal or bow down to a satanic idol. God can, will, and has forgiven all these things through the Cross, but that doesn't mean you should just go out and do whatever you want because "you're forgiven." That just proves you're still deceived.

Who says anyone here is doing that? The only people I know that make such statements are SDA. You're just trying to get people to keep the law, er well your amended law cause you don't keep the 4th as written in Ex 20:8-11.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

How many times does one need to read the first page?

bugkiller

once will do -- try it.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

once will do -- try it.

Arguing with people that don't go to church, preach that you shouldn't go to church, and interpolate the scriptures using venom and sarcasm to make an ungodly point is not productive.

The Sabbath was created before there were Jews in the world. When you happen on someone who is anti-Sabbath you'll know they have never cracked open a Bible. They have no idea what is in Genesis or they'd know that and they would then be found out by those who have read the Bible so as to know what it says about Sabbath. Old and new testaments.

You're wasting your time here brother. Bugkiller has no intention of changing their mind. Why worry? They're arguing against God's word. Do you realize that? They're saying God didn't say what he did say that is in writing in both the old and new testaments.
They're not about learning the truth. They're about mocking your faith and the truth of God.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

This may be helpful to this discussion.
Ask Pastor Mike – Legalism - 4/29/2016 = Audio sermon Link
God’s Word is clear—there is nothing we can to do to earn, buy or borrow God’s forgiveness. But does that mean it doesn’t matter how we live now? We’ll discuss that question with Mike Fabarez and look at Scripture’s patterns for obedience in light of God’s grace. It’s on this edition of “Ask Pastor Mike.”

I'm going to share this in the other threads I've participated in wherein the issue of the moral laws of God and the Sabbath are contested. I hope this audio sermon helps those who seek deeper answers. At least that is my prayer.

 

[bugkiller]

once will do -- try it.

Are you accusing me of not reading it? It is because it didn't convert me to your view point?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Arguing with people that don't go to church, preach that you shouldn't go to church, and interpolate the scriptures using venom and sarcasm to make an ungodly point is not productive.

I never told anyone not to go to church. My points aren't ungodly because I don't agree with you. In fact my points are in agreement with all the Scripture.

The Sabbath was created before there were Jews in the world. When you happen on someone who is anti-Sabbath you'll know they have never cracked open a Bible. They have no idea what is in Genesis or they'd know that and they would then be found out by those who have read the Bible so as to know what it says about Sabbath. Old and new testaments.

Nope, it wasn't.

You're wasting your time here brother. Bugkiller has no intention of changing their mind. Why worry? They're arguing against God's word. Do you realize that? They're saying God didn't say what he did say that is in writing in both the old and new testaments.
They're not about learning the truth. They're about mocking your faith and the truth of God.

It really doesn't matter what we say. Your type simply refuses to believe even Moses as demonstrated here.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Are you accusing me of not reading it? It is because it didn't convert me to your view point?
bugkiller

I am simply looking for substantive response to the details raised from the actual Bible.