Seven Days: Why is "I don't know" unacceptable?

[-57]

Why do you think that unless its in the Bible God didn't do it? everything in the natural world that happens other than the things man does are due to the actions of God. The bible doesn't say God made supernovas. But the evidence for God making them is plain . . . supernova exist, God made everything, therefore God made supernovas.

It is the same with evolution. Evolution exists - the evidence for it is definitive. God made everything, therefore God made evolution.

If you cannot find, in your bible interpretations, a way to accomodate evolution, this is evidence that your bible interpretations are in error.

The bible doesn't talk about supernovas. On the other hand the bible does talk about special creation...and when talking about special creation it say God formed man out of the dust the women from mans rib. That's what the bible says...I didn't write it. I do understand that the religion of the Theo-Evos requires a re-write of many portions of scripture

As far as my interpretations being in error...the bible say's sin and death entered through one man....the T.O.E. would argue against that. Now getting back to science...science says when you die you stay dead on day 3. Sounds like a time for a theo-evo re-write.

Above you said "Evolution exists"...I say prove it. Secondly I say show me where the bible says God used evolutionism to create man.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The bible doesn't talk about supernovas. On the other hand the bible does talk about special creation...and when talking about special creation it say God formed man out of the dust the women from mans rib. That's what the bible says...I didn't write it. I do understand that the religion of the Theo-Evos requires a re-write of many portions of scripture

As far as my interpretations being in error...the bible say's sin and death entered through one man....the T.O.E. would argue against that. Now getting back to science...science says when you die you stay dead on day 3. Sounds like a time for a theo-evo re-write.

Above you said "Evolution exists"...I say prove it. Secondly I say show me where the bible says God used evolutionism to create man.

But the Bible doesn't describe the process of creating man from dust. You can't rule out evolution on that basis.

It is true that the SCIENCE of evolution (not the religion, it is not a religion) requires a RE-INTERPRETATION (not a re-write) of scriptures. And why could not Adam be simply the first of our species that God considered worthy of breathing in a spiritual life? Surely you don't think God couldn't do that, if God so chose.

Science doesn't say you there could never be a miracle of coming to life on the third day. Science merely says that if such an event occurred, it would be a miracle.

 

[Aman777]

But the Bible doesn't describe the process of creating man from dust. You can't rule out evolution on that basis.

Correction: You don't understand the following verse which describes the process:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God (YHWH) formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The word formed comes from the Hebrew word yatsar which means:

Strong's:>>Probably identical with יָצַר (H3334) (through the squeezing into shape)

The Lord squeezed the dust of the ground together, like a Potter molds clay and made the FIRST Human on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees, which were also made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Then He breathed life into Adam. EVERY other living creature was made on the 5th Day by the Trinity speaking and commanding that all other creatures be Created and brought forth from WATER.

Gen 1:21 And God (Elohim) created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

Adam was made the 3rd Day long before ANY other living creature making it impossible that man could have evolved from ANY other creature. This gives man a place in the Creation ABOVE Angels since Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY other living creature. Gen 1:28

 

[fat wee robin]

God hid His Truth in the scientific discoveries of the last days of this Earth. As they begin to be discovered, God's Literal Truth, which is shown in Genesis, will become clear, even to unbelievers. Then everyone will see the Literal Truth of God as He comes to Armageddon.

Very excellent Aman .

 

[-57]

But the Bible doesn't describe the process of creating man from dust. You can't rule out evolution on that basis.

It is true that the SCIENCE of evolution (not the religion, it is not a religion) requires a RE-INTERPRETATION (not a re-write) of scriptures. And why could not Adam be simply the first of our species that God considered worthy of breathing in a spiritual life? Surely you don't think God couldn't do that, if God so chose.

Science doesn't say you there could never be a miracle of coming to life on the third day. Science merely says that if such an event occurred, it would be a miracle.

Adam from the dust the Eve from his rib....not really evolutionism, is it?

 

[-57]

Correction: You don't understand the following verse which describes the process:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God (YHWH) formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The word formed comes from the Hebrew word yatsar which means:

Strong's:>>Probably identical with יָצַר (H3334) (through the squeezing into shape)

The Lord squeezed the dust of the ground together, like a Potter molds clay and made the FIRST Human on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees, which were also made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Then He breathed life into Adam. EVERY other living creature was made on the 5th Day by the Trinity speaking and commanding that all other creatures be Created and brought forth from WATER.

Gen 1:21 And God (Elohim) created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

Adam was made the 3rd Day long before ANY other living creature making it impossible that man could have evolved from ANY other creature. This gives man a place in the Creation ABOVE Angels since Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY other living creature. Gen 1:28

Adam was made on day six. Sorry.

 

[Aman777]

Very excellent Aman .

Thanks for the kind words. God Bless you.

 

[Aman777]

Adam was made on day six. Sorry.

Read carefully. Adam and Eve were BOTH "created" on the 6th Day AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:7 Adam could NOT have been "created" until the 6th Day since Eve was NOT made from his rib until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 Amen?

 

[-57]

Read carefully. Adam and Eve were BOTH "created" on the 6th Day AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:7 Adam could NOT have been "created" until the 6th Day since Eve was NOT made from his rib until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 Amen?

Ah, Adam and Eve were Cains mommy and daddy.

 

[Aman777]

Ah, Adam and Eve were Cains mommy and daddy.

Amen and they were "created" in God's Image AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 This means that they were born again Spiritually at that time. ALSO, both Adam and Eve were made by Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) BEFORE they had Cain and Abel BUT they were "created" by God (Elohim).

It takes the agreement of the Trinity (Elohim) to CREATE a new Creature in Christ Spiritually and Eternally. Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16 Amen?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Correction: You don't understand the following verse which describes the process:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God (YHWH) formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The word formed comes from the Hebrew word yatsar which means:

Strong's:>>Probably identical with יָצַר (H3334) (through the squeezing into shape)

The Lord squeezed the dust of the ground together, like a Potter molds clay and made the FIRST Human on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees, which were also made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Then He breathed life into Adam. EVERY other living creature was made on the 5th Day by the Trinity speaking and commanding that all other creatures be Created and brought forth from WATER.

Gen 1:21 And God (Elohim) created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

Adam was made the 3rd Day long before ANY other living creature making it impossible that man could have evolved from ANY other creature. This gives man a place in the Creation ABOVE Angels since Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY other living creature. Gen 1:28

Well, there are two contradictory narratives in Genesis as to who was created first . . . Adam, or the other animals.

This means if we take the scripture literally, it contradicts itself.

Scripture doesn't contradict itself, so the literal is not the correct translation for Genesis 1 and 2.

Gen 1:25-26 God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." NASU

Shows man created after the other animals.

Gen 2:18-19 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him." Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.
NASU

Shows man created before the other animals

So we can use science to find out the truth and interpret Genesis in a non-literal manner, or else we are forced to see contradiction in scripture.

 

[-57]

Amen and they were "created" in God's Image AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 This means that they were born again Spiritually at that time. ALSO, both Adam and Eve were made by Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) BEFORE they had Cain and Abel BUT they were "created" by God (Elohim).

It takes the agreement of the Trinity (Elohim) to CREATE a new Creature in Christ Spiritually and Eternally. Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16 Amen?

No body teaches that nonsense.
Day 6 they were created and made in Gods image. Bible 101.

 

[-57]

Well, there are two contradictory narratives in Genesis as to who was created first . . . Adam, or the other animals.

This means if we take the scripture literally, it contradicts itself.

Scripture doesn't contradict itself, so the literal is not the correct translation for Genesis 1 and 2.

Gen 1:25-26 God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." NASU

Shows man created after the other animals.

Gen 2:18-19 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him." Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.
NASU

Shows man created before the other animals

So we can use science to find out the truth and interpret Genesis in a non-literal manner, or else we are forced to see contradiction in scripture.

That so-called contradiction doesn't work well.
Out of the ground the LORD God HAD formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky,

It doesn't show man was created before the animals.

Now, if you want to argue that point go ahead...you'll be spinning your wheels more than Mario Andretti.

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[Aman777]

Well, there are two contradictory narratives in Genesis as to who was created first . . . Adam, or the other animals.

This means if we take the scripture literally, it contradicts itself.

Not so. What it shows is the misunderstanding of ancient theologians with the diminished knowledge of people who lived 3k years ago.

*** Scripture doesn't contradict itself, so the literal is not the correct translation for Genesis 1 and 2.

Not so, which becomes apparent when you understand Genesis chapter One.

*** Gen 1:25-26 God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." NASU

Shows man created after the other animals.

Amen, but the time when this is fully realized, is FUTURE. At no time in the past has Adam (mankind) had rule over sharks, mosquitoes and Angels, 1Co 6:3 all of which are living creatures, as the fulfillment of God's words shows:

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The fulfillment of God's command comes AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of time. Gen 1:28-31 is PROPHECY.

*** Gen 2:18-19 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him." Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.
NASU

Shows man created before the other animals

Not so, since Adam (mankind) was "created" in God's Image or in Christ Spiritually AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Adam was first "formed" from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day before plants. Gen 2:4-7 Adam was there when the Lord made the beasts of the field and birds and named them. Notice that Adam was there already BEFORE he was "created", Spiritually and even BEFORE Eve was made. Gen 2:22

*** So we can use science to find out the truth and interpret Genesis in a non-literal manner, or else we are forced to see contradiction in scripture.

Not so. Only the people of the last days can truly understand the literal words of God in the first 34 verses of Genesis. That is because God hid His Truth from ancient men in order to insure that they could NOT understand until the last days as this verse shows:

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

God is currently revealing His Spirit (Spirit of Truth) to ALL flesh, which includes everyone, including unbelievers. He is doing this through the "increased knowledge" available to ALL mankind, in the present last days, online. God told Daniel HOW to accomplish this:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

This is understood best by using the KJV of Scripture, which is not as paraphrased, as the version you use. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

No body teaches that nonsense.
Day 6 they were created and made in Gods image. Bible 101.

Not so, since Adam was "formed" of the dust on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7
Eve was NOT made from Adam's rib until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22

Both Adam and Eve were "created" Spiritually at the SAME time, which was AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Amen?

 

[Aman777]

That so-called contradiction doesn't work well.
Out of the ground the LORD God HAD formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky,

It doesn't show man was created before the animals.

Now, if you want to argue that point go ahead...you'll be spinning your wheels more than Mario Andretti.

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Un-scriptural since one MUST add the "HAD" to what is actually written. Below is the proper understanding.

The first 34 verses of Genesis tells the complete HISTORY of the Creation of the perfect Heaven, including the future events shown in Gen 1:28-31. ALL of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to one of the Seven Days of the Creation shown in these 34 verses. That is WHY some see two contradictory versions of God's Holy Word. Amen?

 

[-57]

Not so, since Adam was "formed" of the dust on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7
Eve was NOT made from Adam's rib until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22

Both Adam and Eve were "created" Spiritually at the SAME time, which was AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Amen?

You're still wrong. Adam and Eve were both created on day 6.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them,
Skip down to verse 31
God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day

My bible gives an accout of Adam and Eve BOTH being created on day 6.

Gen 5:11 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created.

Lets look at the parallels in the 2 peices of scripture:

God created man in his own image------------>in the likeness of God
male and female he created them.------------>He created them male and female
God blessed them------------------------------>He blessed them

Just because it is re-capped in verse 5 and placed after verse 4 which talks of Cain and Able doesn't tell me that was the order. The purpose of verse 5 is to tell of the descendents from Adam to Noah. It tells of the covenent line of Seth and how sin esculated on the earth.

So far you have demonstrated nothing to me.

 

[-57]

Un-scriptural since one MUST add the "HAD" to what is actually written. Below is the proper understanding.

The first 34 verses of Genesis tells the complete HISTORY of the Creation of the perfect Heaven, including the future events shown in Gen 1:28-31. ALL of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to one of the Seven Days of the Creation shown in these 34 verses. That is WHY some see two contradictory versions of God's Holy Word. Amen?

That's your claim it was added. I have no reason to believe it doesn't mean God had previously formed the animals.

 

[Aman777]

That's your claim it was added. I have no reason to believe it doesn't mean God had previously formed the animals.

The word "had" was added to SOME versions of Scripture but not most of them. Here are some versions which do NOT add the word "had". New Living Translation, New American Standard Bible, King James Bible, Holman Christian Standard Bible, International Standard Version, NET Bible, JPS Tanakh 1917, New American Standard 1977, Jubilee Bible 2000, King James 2000 Bible, American King James Version, American Standard Version, and many more. Can you explain WHY most of the other versions did NOT add the word? From the site you posted only 4 added the word.

It certainly appears that the added word "had" is confusing. Amen?

 

[-57]

The word "had" was added to SOME versions of Scripture but not most of them. Here are some versions which do NOT add the word "had". New Living Translation, New American Standard Bible, King James Bible, Holman Christian Standard Bible, International Standard Version, NET Bible, JPS Tanakh 1917, New American Standard 1977, Jubilee Bible 2000, King James 2000 Bible, American King James Version, American Standard Version, and many more. Can you explain WHY most of the other versions did NOT add the word? From the site you posted only 4 added the word.

It certainly appears that the added word "had" is confusing. Amen?

Because God had already made the animals. That's not confusing at all.

To help with your confusion, here are 4 commentaries that help explain why your view is in error. So far I have no reason to accept your view on the order of creation.

Commentary 1:
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
The arrangement may be explained on the supposition, that the writer, who was about to describe the relation of man to the beasts, went back to their creation, in the simple method of the early Semitic historians, and placed this first instead of making it subordinate; so that our modern style of expressing the same thought would be simply this: "God brought to Adam the beasts which He had formed."

Commentary 2:
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air,.... Or "had formed them" (e) on the fifth and sixth days; and these were formed two and two, male and female, in order to continue their species; whereas man was made single, and had no companion of the same nature with him:

Commentary 3:
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
Out of the ground.—The adâmâh; thus the physical constituents of the animals are the same as those of the body of man. Much curious speculation has arisen from the mistaken idea that the order here is chronological, and that the animals were created subsequently to man, and that it was only upon their failing one and all to supply Adam’s need of a companion that woman was called into being. The real point of the narrative is the insight it gives us into Adam’s intellectual condition, his study of the animal creation, and the nature of the employment in which he spent his time.

Commentary 4:
Pulpit Commentary
It is not the time, but simply the fact, of the creation of the animals that the historian records. The Vav. consec. does not necessarily involve time-succession, but is frequently employed to indicate thought-sequence (cf. 2:8; 1 Kings 2:13, &c.). The verb (pret.) may also quite legitimately be rendered "had formed (Bush). "Our modern style of expressing the Semitic writer's thought would be this - 'And God brought to Adam the beasts which he had formed (Delitzsch). It is thus unnecessary to defend the record from a charge of inconsistency with the previous section, by supposing this to be the account of a second creation of animals in the district of Eden.