The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

[Archaeopteryx]

The problem is, Haeckel's drawings were a key component in supporting the idea of a common ancestor. The fact that they were inaccurate should have been very damaging to that theory, but scientists have somehow managed to clean up that mess quite well.

They were never a "key component."

 

[amariselle]

Do you know what a strawman argument is?

Yep. It may surprise you (since you seem to think Christians cannot and will not think for themselves) but I did take a critical thinking class.

Most people here, however, throw that word around as a dismissal, not because they are thinking critically.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yep. It may surprise you (since you seem to think Christians cannot and will not think for themselves) but I did take a critical thinking class.

Most people here, however, throw that word around as a dismissal, not because they are thinking critically.

You presented a strawman. I called you out on it.

 

[bhsmte]

Yep. It may surprise you (since you seem to think Christians cannot and will not think for themselves) but I did take a critical thinking class.

Most people here, however, throw that word around as a dismissal, not because they are thinking critically.

How do you apply what you learned in that class?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

STRAWMAN!!!!! I am right you are wrong, now I can dismiss you!

It is a strawman since you said that lies were supported in science. They were not.

 

[amariselle]

Except if it's your religion.

Nope. There are innumerable problems in Christianity. I actually have way more concerns about that then I do about science. Hence the threads I have started and commented on on these forums. (And the personal study I am currently doing on the topic)

So, your assumption that I think my religion is "infallible" is absolutely incorrect.

 

[amariselle]

You can trust your personal interpretation of god as infalliable though, would that be correct?

I can trust God, and I can trust the most important thing, that I am forgiven through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

There are many lesser things I very well could be or am wrong about. And I am constantly seeking to learn and grow in my faith in this way.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The problem is, Haeckel's drawings were a key component in supporting the idea of a common ancestor. The fact that they were inaccurate should have been very damaging to that theory, but scientists have somehow managed to clean up that mess quite well.

The drawings themselves weren't accurate, but on closer examination, Haeckel's theory was shown to be right. That's why it's still used.
You can say that it was damaging to the theory of evolution, but you're just perpetuating a lie.

 

[bhsmte]

Nope. There are innumerable problems in Christianity. I actually have way more concerns about that then I do about science. Hence the threads I have started and commented on on these forums. (And the personal study I am currently doing on the topic)

So, your assumption that I think my religion is "infallible" is absolutely incorrect.

It seems you dont apply this same critical thinking to your personal interpretation of god though.

Why is that? You didnt learn in the critical thinking class that human perceptions (outside independent objective verification) can be unreliable?

 

[amariselle]

The drawings themselves weren't accurate, but on closer examination, Haeckel's theory was shown to be right. That's why it's still used.
You can say that it was damaging to the theory of evolution, but you're just perpetuating a lie.

He based his theory on what he thought was true, which he recorded in his drawings, which have long been known to be inaccurate. It kind of falls apart for me at that point, sorry.

 

[amariselle]

It seems you dont apply this same critical thinking to your personal interpretation of god though.

Why is that? You didnt learn in the critical thinking class that human perceptions (outside independent objective verification) can be unreliable?

Depends what you mean by my "personal interpretation of God." Perhaps you should clarify so I can address that to the best of my ability.

 

[bhsmte]

I can trust God, and I can trust the most important thing, that I am forgiven through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

There are many lesser things I very well could be or am wrong about. And I am constantly seeking to learn and grow in my faith in this way.

But you still have to personally interpret this god you speak of, no way around that.

Do you interpret in a infalliable way?

 

[bhsmte]

Depends what you mean by my "personal interpretation of God." Perhaps you should clarify so I can address that to the best of my ability.

Does someone else interpret god for you and magically insert this interpretation in your brain?

 

[amariselle]

But you still have to personally interpret this god you speak of, no way around that.

Do you interpret in a infalliable way?

I don't have to "interpret" that He died for me (and all mankind). I don't have to "interpret" that I can turn to Him and be forgiven and have eternal life.

The central and core beliefs of the Christian faith are not open to "interpretation."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

He based his theory on what he thought was true, which he recorded in his drawings, which have long been known to be inaccurate. It kind of falls apart for me at that point, sorry.

Then you obviously lack a serious ability to think, I'm sorry. His drawings were shown to be inaccurate, but his theory was studied closely and was shown to be accurate. That's why his drawings, which have been refined by other scientists since they were shown to be inaccurate, are still used today. How hard is this for you to understand?

 

[amariselle]

Does someone else interpret god for you and magically insert this interpretation in your brain?

No. We can all read the Bible for ourselves.

 

[amariselle]

Then you obviously lack a serious ability to think, I'm sorry. His drawings were shown to be inaccurate, but his theory was studied closely and was shown to be accurate. That's why his drawings, which have been refined by other scientists since they were shown to be inaccurate, are still used today. How hard is this for you to understand?

Your insult and condescension is duly noted. (Not that it helps your argument for science in the slightest)

And now, since it appears we have resorted to personal insults, questioning people's intelligence, I'm out of here.

I am not interested in engaging further with anyone who turns to disrespect to support their arguments.

Have a great afternoon/evening/night

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Your insult and condescension is duly noted. (Not that it helps your argument for science in the slightest)

And now, since it appears we have resorted to personal insults, questioning people's intelligence, I'm out of here.

I am not interested in engaging further with anyone who turns to disrespect to support their arguments.

Have a great afternoon/evening/night

I did apologise. But the fact that you will not address the fact that Haeckel's embryos were refined by scientists and shown to be ultimately right, and refuse to continually refuse to accept this, says so much about you and your thoughts regarding science.

 

[bhsmte]

No. We can all read the Bible for ourselves.

Reading requires, interpreting what you read.

10 christians can read scripture and come up with 10 different interpretations. And since the majority of christians agree with evolution, that tells me it is open to interpretation.

 

[Loudmouth]

The field of science is rife with fraud. This is a fact.

No, it isn't a fact. That is something you have made up. Finding one fossil that was a fraud does not make the tens of thousands of other fossils a fraud.

As I said, I have nothing more to say.

Then all you have is false claims.

I was asked for evidence to support my claim that scientists can be dishonest, and I have done so. (And there's much more out there)

Finding one scientist who is dishonest does not make all scientists dishonest. Simple concept, yet you can't figure it out.

Science is simply unreliable, I will put my faith and trust first and foremost in Jesus Christ.[/qutoe]

Then I hope you pray instead of going to the doctor.