Tbh, I kinda feel like you've been a bit disrespectful, intentionally. It felt like you weren't respecting the ability for other Christians to make sound choices about what we choose to watch, by interrogating about whether we should watch it. Just the way you phrased the 1st post about it, felt that way to me. This may not have been your intent but it's felt to me that you weren't just judging the show, you were judging the people who watch it by projecting your own problems w it onto us. That's just how I felt. When you haven't watched it to know the good stuff about it. Other people use discernment too, & protect their hearts. Your tone has come across as a bit belligerent, too.
Well, what shall I say to that? Evidently, had you paid closer attention to my statements, you would have realised that I was not, by any means, judging or disrespecting you who watch it or your choice to watch it. In my first post about it (post #60), I expressed my personal opinion (
‘I mean, there is quite some nudity, right? That alone would keep me out of it!’) and I asked you about your opinions (
‘Do you really think that it is a good programme for Christians to watch? […] What are your thoughts about this matter?’).
If expressing my opinion and asking you for your opinion makes you feel disrespected, what more shall I say? I have done nothing wrong! You are the one who is reading ‘judging and disrespecting’ into my statements.
You explained why it was unbiblical for you. I explained why it is not unbiblical for me. It's never caused me to lust, or feel or do anything that is sinful. I usually watch it w my mom & we ff through scenes that have nudity & violence. Even on my own, I just ff.
That is not what I mean. What I mean is that it is unbiblical to imply that, at some point in my life, I should be ready to watch nudity on TV, even though knowing it can lead to lust. I refuse to watch it, not because of my age, but because of my personal conscience, and I wish you could respect it, instead of saying that I am not ready.
Of course you should avoid a TV show that will cause you to sin. It causing you to sin doesn't mean it causes others to sin. A cooking show might make someone who struggles w gluttony sin. A personal conscience, is by definition personal.
In that case, respect personal conscience and do not say that I am too young or not ready.
Accusing other people of watching porn when they're not, is really offensive too.
Well, it displays nudity with the purpose of sexual excitement. It is basically porn. But, if you are not comfortable with that term, we may just replace it with ‘nudity’. Is that better?
Like I wrote before, you stung me. I apologized for accidentally hurting your feelings, but you didn't do the same in return. Do you care about how you make others feel or just how you feel?
Of course I care about how others feel! I do apologise if I have accidentally offended you. However, I do not see how I may have done it. Again, you implied that I was behaving like a 13-year-old — I think that is much more offensive than asking you for your opinion and expressing mine.
I remember the posts you'd made in a thread about women breastfeeding in public earlier this yr. You got pretty worked up about it. Not just the topic but other people disagreeing w you in that thread, like getting kinda huffy with them. You said women should feed their babies from a toilet so that it wouldn't cause men to lust.
That happened six months ago, but I honestly do not remember defending anything like that. I was not imposing that women should do that. What I said, if I remember accurately, was that they should take into consideration how they might make other men struggle with temptation. Fortunately, ChristianForums allows us to remember. In
post #33 of that thread, I made it abundantly clear that I was not imposing it, but only considering it as a matter of personal conscience, especially in the third paragraph:
Ultimately, I think it is a matter of personal conscience. There is nothing inherently wrong with public breastfeeding: it is not a sin (except if you do it to attract sexual attention, which does not seem to be the case). However, any woman concerned about leading men into sinful thoughts should think twice before doing it.
I clarified it later many more times, because many people had a hard time understanding this (e.g., in posts #77 and #97).
Most men I know just turn their heads & mind their own business. They don't make the woman feel responsible for keeping them from feeling lustful. They know the baby's needs are the priority, not theirs.
I would like to see just one quote where I said that women are responsible for the sins of men. It is already the third time that you are misrepresenting my opinions. This is getting serious. If you want to have an honest discussion with me, address accurately what I have said.
A younger boy would probably have a harder time keeping his eyes away. It's why I thought that if you had that strong of a negative reaction to moms breastfeeding, & you couldn't just look away & let them be, that you wouldn't have the self control to ff through scenes that would cause problems for you.
Here we go again! Since I have sexual desires which I sometimes find difficult to control, I must be 13 years old! Mind you, two guys liked the post where I said that, and they are apparently both married, so they cannot be 13 years old.
Nope. There's sex & violence in the Bible, too. That's not taught at Sunday School classes for kindergartners bc it's not appropriate for them. It's kept out of Children's Bible. It's still in the regular Bible. It has to do with maturity & how you process the content. There have always been things that have caused lust. Always. TheHehe is totally right that this is an argument that goes back centuries, with people arguing over what is & is not sinful.
That is not what I am talking about. I am talking about seeing female nudity.
Christians should stay out of things that cause them to stumble in their walk. What causes you to stumble, is not the same as what causes other people to.
Have I ever denied that?
Wow! You really get worked up. My standard is how something affects me & whether it causes me to stumble. That's basically the standard most reasonable people use. So yeah, by that standard, it's not for you, bc of how it effects you. By all means, be opposed to you watching it.
Ah! So, it has got nothing to with my age, has it?
You're older than I am, but by the way you get so worked up w the breastfeeding thing & then in your overreaction to my simple comment I thought you were younger.
See? There it is again! I am behaving like a 13-year-old! If I believe that a Christian woman should think twice before breastfeeding in public and that Christians should think twice before watching
Game of Thrones, I must be 13 years old!
Repeatedly you've been told that you shouldn't watch it, bc of how it could negatively impact you. Repeatedly it's been explained that it doesn't have the same impact on others.
Repeatedly I have explained that I have never denied any of that.
Your objection has been respected all along,
Except when you attributed its cause to my alleged young age and lack of preparedness.
but tbh I feel that you haven't really respected that other Christians don't have the same objections.
Like when? Show me one single quote in which I did not respect your acceptance of the programme.
You've come across as sanctimonious to me.
Even though I have never said anything that would suggest that.
I do think age is a factor, bc is shapes your maturity & how you handle things. It's why my brother isn't allowed to watch the show, but I am. Like I said, I never watch the very stuff you're objecting to bc I have the self-control to ff through it. I don't like violence. Sex scenes just don't interest me.
Yes, but a rejection to watch objectionable content does not mean that I am immature or young, does it? If not, then why did you attribute said rejection to said immaturity or young age? Old age does not justify lust. If, even in an old age, something makes me lust, I should keep from it without being accused of being young or immature.
For you, abstaining from it all together is the best form of self-control bc you said you can't just skip over the things that would be a stumbling block for you.
Which, according to your logic, must mean that I am 13 years old!
I didn't need the warning. I have parents who know me well & look out for me. I also am really careful about the choices I make for myself. I think most people are already aware of its content. It's been one of the most popular shows worldwide for yrs now, & it's talked about a lot. If they're not, then they'll become aware by the warning at the beginning of every episode about how it's for mature audiences. Most TV shows have something that somebody finds objectionable bc they think it's sinful.
I was bringing the objectionable content into a debate (as I have clarified, I am afraid that some Christians do not think about it). Is there anything so wrong with that?
Tell her to try to watch more stuff like that. Let her do something that will help develop her alternative form of thinking, without just sticking to that which is explicit.
I apologise for having ‘called’ you here accidentally! 
With that said, 
