Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment

[bugkiller]

I don't think anyone is free from deception (heresies), none of us are immune to Satan's trap, we should make sure that we are good Bereans and test everything to the whole Word of God.

Do you practice Christmas, Easter and Sunday tradition?

Are we then arguing about which deception to follow? Is that not evangelism of another?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

From some of your other posts, I simply expected you followed Jesus.
Now, since you said otherwise, I don't think so anymore.
LIke I said, I was seeking verification/ clarity.

What do you think following Jesus means?

Jesus said His Father would send the Comforter (Holy Spirit). Paul sys if we're led by the Holy spirit we're not led by the law.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

From some of your other posts, I simply expected you followed Jesus.
Now, since you said otherwise, I don't think so anymore.
LIke I said, I was seeking verification/ clarity.

Just where did I say otherwise? Jesus IS God. Jesus IS my Savior. Without Jesus we are all lost. Jesus IS enough. Those who think they still have to pay homage to Moses are going down the wrong path. Moses was for the Israelites only. God's plan for saving gentiles and Jews is Jesus. I am a new covenant believer and I am proud to announce it to all the World and I really do not care what you think I am brother.

 

[Meowzltov]

If you claim to be a New Testament Christian, that means you have a relationship with Jesus and dont have one with God,

Jesus IS God, and only Nicene Christianity is allowed to be taught here.

 

[Meowzltov]

Only by birth and then only 1/2.

Is it your mom who is a Jew or your dad?

 

[Bob S]

Is it your mom who is a Jew or your dad?

It is my Dad. He was not observant, loved the Christmas Holidays and raised us as Christians. He realized that Jews could not observe the Torah outside of Israel. Judaism today is a farce just as those who try to mimic Judaism. That system of belief ended at the Cross or close thereafter.

 

[SAAN]

Jesus IS God, and only Nicene Christianity is allowed to be taught here.

God is the Father
God sent his son Jesus aka Yahushah
God sent the Holy Spirit

Jesus can be considered a part of God, or like a cup of water taken from the ocean. we know where the water comes from and what it consist of.
But Jesus is NOT the Father. The Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus. God is NOT is own son.

-Jesus cried out to the father on the cross
Matthew 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying,“Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

-Jesus was sent to do the will of the father
John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

-Jesus said he was sent by the father
John 7:28-29
28 Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, “You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. 29 But I know Him, for I am from Him, and He sent Me.”

-Jesus said to pray to only the father

-Jesus is at the right hand of the father
Mark 16:19
19 So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
Acts 2:33
33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

-Jesus was given all power and authority by the father
Matthew 28:18
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

-Jesus will give all authority back to the father
1 Corinthians
24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

 

[Meowzltov]

It is my Dad. He was not observant, loved the Christmas Holidays and raised us as Christians. He realized that Jews could not observe the Torah outside of Israel. Judaism today is a farce just as those who try to mimic Judaism. That system of belief ended at the Cross or close thereafter.

Of course Jews can and do observe Judaism outside of Israel. Sounds like your dad was maybe making excuses for being assimilated? I'm very, very sad about that he didn't seem to care about being a Jew. His line was lost to our people through intermarriage, as so often happens.

Paul writes regarding the Jews that God's gifts and calling are irrevocable, so I wouldn't be so quick to write off the Jews and our covenant.

 

[Meowzltov]

Jesus can be considered a part of God, or like a cup of water taken from the ocean. we know where the water comes from and what it consist of.
But Jesus is NOT the Father. The Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus. God is NOT is own son.

SAAN: I'm a Trinitarian. I know that the Son, the Father, and the Spirit are one God, but three different persons.

Technically speaking, it is a mistake to say that the Father, Son, and HS are each PART of God. Each are fully God. The Trinity is a mystery.

 

[Bob S]

Of course Jews can and do observe Judaism outside of Israel.

I am sorry OH, but that is absolutely not true. There is no way to be observant. The Levites have been assimilated so there is no priesthood. Have you read the 613 laws of the Torah? No way my friend. You cannot police Jews for breaking the rules.

Sounds like your dad was maybe making excuses for being assimilated?

Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. He was wiser than most of his people. He knew the temple was destroyed and the whole system ended.

I'm very, very sad about that he didn't seem to care about being a Jew.

Pish posh, you must be sad about Jesus too because there is a gentile in His linage.

Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
His line was lost to our people through intermarriage, as so often happens.

Paul writes regarding the Jews that God's gifts and calling are irrevocable

Where does Paul write that?

, so I wouldn't be so quick to write off the Jews and our covenant.

Scripture is my source and I don't question scripture. God ended the covenant with Torah law at the Cross. It is now history my friend.

 

[Meowzltov]

I am sorry OH, but that is absolutely not true. There is no way to be observant. The Levites have been assimilated so there is no priesthood.

There are plenty of Levites who know they are Levites. I have no idea what you are talking about. Indeed, there are plenty of Kohanim. They know who they are. If your father told you otherwise, he either lied to you are was terribly mistaken.

Have you read the 613 laws of the Torah? No way my friend. You cannot police Jews for breaking the rules.

I studied the 163 in depth. I was Orthodox for many years. You don't need Temple police for Judaism to work. Again, where did you get this idea from? Not from Jews who actually practice Judaism.

Pish posh, you must be sad about Jesus too because there is a gentile in His linage.

There was not a single Gentile in Jesus' lineage, although there were certainly CONVERTS such as Ruth and Rahab.

Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

These verses mean we are equal before God. I am not better than you simply because I am a Jew, nor are you better than me simply because you are a Gentile. We are all part of the family of God.

But that doesn't mean we stop being Jew and Gentile, just as we don't stop being men and women, and having our respective responsibilities for that. Goodness, all through his epistles, Paul addresses Jews and Greeks.

If it's okay, I'd like to explain something else to you. I have no intentions of becoming a Gentile just because I am a Christian. You father may have not cared about his Jewish Identity, but I care a great deal about mine. All of the disciples continued in keeping the Jewish laws and traditions, as did the thousands of believers in Jerusalem under James, who were zealous for Torah. They are my models. Paul says that those who are not circumcised should stay uncircumcised, and those who are circumcised should stay circumcised -- so that's what I'm doing: staying Jewish.

 

[bugkiller]

Jesus IS God, and only Nicene Christianity is allowed to be taught here.

You could sure fool me. Non Nicene Christianity is taught here daily.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

God is the Father
God sent his son Jesus aka Yahushah
God sent the Holy Spirit

Jesus can be considered a part of God, or like a cup of water taken from the ocean. we know where the water comes from and what it consist of.
But Jesus is NOT the Father. The Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus. God is NOT is own son.

-Jesus cried out to the father on the cross
Matthew 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying,“Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

-Jesus was sent to do the will of the father
John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

-Jesus said he was sent by the father
John 7:28-29
28 Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, “You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. 29 But I know Him, for I am from Him, and He sent Me.”

-Jesus said to pray to only the father

-Jesus is at the right hand of the father
Mark 16:19
19 So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
Acts 2:33
33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

-Jesus was given all power and authority by the father
Matthew 28:18
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

-Jesus will give all authority back to the father
1 Corinthians
24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

You're a little mixed up. Jesus is God, just not God the Father.

bugkiller

 

[Meowzltov]

God is the Father
God sent his son Jesus aka Yahushah
God sent the Holy Spirit

The Father is God
The Son is God
The HS is God
The three are all of the same essense.
And yet they are three persons.
That is standard trinitarianism. Basic Nicene Christianity.

 

[BobRyan]

What do you think following Jesus means?
Jesus said His Father would send the Comforter (Holy Spirit). Paul sys if we're led by the Holy spirit we're not led by the law.
bugkiller

Since your entire post consists of "you quoting --- you" I can see how that would be confusing to you.

By contrast we have these "much-to-be-avoided" posts that are both on the topic of the thread - and filled with the Bible details so unwanted by those at war with the Law of God -
Friday at 6:47 PM #376

In that post we have quotes from the actual Bible - such as the one from 1 John 5:3-4


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

 

[bugkiller]

Since your entire post consists of "you quoting --- you" I can see how that would be confusing to you.

What do you mean by "you quoting --- you"?

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

What do you think following Jesus means?
Jesus said His Father would send the Comforter (Holy Spirit). Paul sys if we're led by the Holy spirit we're not led by the law.
bugkiller

Since your entire post consists of "you quoting --- you" I can see how that would be confusing to you.

By contrast we have these "much-to-be-avoided" posts that are both on the topic of the thread - and filled with the Bible details so unwanted by those at war with the Law of God -
Friday at 6:47 PM #376

In that post we have quotes from the actual Bible - such as the one from 1 John 5:3-4


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

What do you mean by "you quoting --- you"?
bugkiller

Do you see you quoting anything but "you" in that post??

 

[bugkiller]

Since your entire post consists of "you quoting --- you" I can see how that would be confusing to you.

By contrast we have these "much-to-be-avoided" posts that are both on the topic of the thread - and filled with the Bible details so unwanted by those at war with the Law of God -
Friday at 6:47 PM #376

In that post we have quotes from the actual Bible - such as the one from 1 John 5:3-4

Yes and I already responded to that.

bugkiller

 

[Lady&TheCoatofmanycolors]

Romans 14:5
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Although I have been keeping actual Sabbath more often, I also attended services on Tuesday and Sunday.

If we want to get technical we better get our Friday night sunset countdown game on too

 

[Lady&TheCoatofmanycolors]

Romans 14:5
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Although I have been keeping actual Sabbath more often, I also attended services on Tuesday and Sunday.

If we want to get technical we better get our Friday night sunset countdown game on too

*attend