Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

[bugkiller]

the message from a previous post to you:
the same as always, the Lord is our God and His will we will do, therefore, believe in Him. When we read the bible, we find that the message of who God is to us is preached by testimony, our actions say who God is. We find when Israel was faithful, it was blessed by the guidance and protection of the Almighty. when it wasnt, it had to deal with its own consequences. God walked away.
THIS WE SEE MORE DETAILED THROUGHOUT THE BOOKS OF KINGS AND CHRONICLES
On regard to God regret making man this says the Bible;
Genesis 6:7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Where it comes to a Covenant, it has always been the same, God's commitment to save humanity from itself. God has used different method but always with the same purpose it. Jesus being the last.

NOPE!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

But this is not the case with the lost of Romans 8:4-9 who "do not submit to the Law of God - neither indeed can they" --

Rather the saints have the 1 John 5:3-4 life -

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

Your idea of I John 5:1-3 directly violates Acts 15.

bugkiller

 

[Cribstyl]

Your idea of I John 5:1-3 directly violates Acts 15.

bugkiller

By posting 1 John 5:1-3 Bob is shamelessly substituting commandments of the New Covenant as if those texts are promoting the ten commandments.

 

[love2obey]

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Gal 5

What are you led by?

bugkiller

By the spirit, using the law as a guide. In the spirit of the moment my friend dont work as it is led to believe these days. Nothing new just a different way of doing it

 

[love2obey]

Nope!

bugkiller

therefore, it is not from God.

 

[love2obey]

Are we really trying to decide which lie to follow?

bugkiller

you hit the nail on the head. remember, satan greatest weapon is deception. it is the reason why there will be a judgment day.

 

[love2obey]

I don't think so. Those who were doing those things didn't understand they were doing them. Maybe this is because it was automatic.

bugkiller

Actually that is were been led by the spirit take place. On our own, we cant do nothing. Automatic by human standard is doing something by routine. This parable lets us understand that a new creature is born in us without our own knowledge.
It takes place when we surrender to the power in Jesus.

 

[love2obey]

But this is not the case with the lost of Romans 8:4-9 who "do not submit to the Law of God - neither indeed can they" --

Rather the saints have the 1 John 5:3-4 life -

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

the key being it is a guide not a deliver or savior.

 

[love2obey]

Why ? Did someone forget , since as it is written , the whole world refuses to repent of worshiping demons,
(except for the remnant, through the whole Bible right up to the end) ... ?

that remnant is not saved until then. we cant take it for granted

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

that remnant is not saved until then. we cant take it for granted

Maybe the remnant you know, if you know any, had a different experience than I did, but I doubt it.
I was saved from sin, from the penalty of sin, from the power of satan, from the power of the flesh, from the power of society and of the world, over 40 years ago.

 

[Bob S]

that remnant is not saved until then. we cant take it for granted

You certainly are not getting your information from scripture because Jesus said that if we believe in Him we have eternal life and won't even go through the judgment.

 

[bugkiller]

By posting 1 John 5:1-3 Bob is shamelessly substituting commandments of the New Covenant as if those texts are promoting the ten commandments.

Yeppers

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

By the spirit, using the law as a guide. In the spirit of the moment my friend dont work as it is led to believe these days. Nothing new just a different way of doing it

Amazing that you say the spirit uses the law as a guide. IOW the Holy Spirit refers us to the law. What a bunch of heuy. Yes we fully understand you don't think the NT is new. You think its a warmed over OC.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

you hit the nail on the head. remember, satan greatest weapon is deception. it is the reason why there will be a judgment day.

Yeah and you're not about to deceive me.

bugkiller

 

[1John2:4]

No I didn't. The law of love is all about morality. the 4th commandment of the 10 is about a ritual command. It has nothing to do with loving God or our fellow man. Israelites could and did observe the Sabbath command out of duty.


The laws of a nation deal with both civil and moral laws. The love law of 1Jn3:19-24 deals with our fellow man and have to do with morality period.


I suppose if you are not saved and really claim the promises you would be right. I personally do not fear the Lord, I have claimed His promises. He has not ever asked me to observe ritual laws of the old covenant. You are way off base my friend, but you will not listen nor study the real truths of Scripture. I guess some are happy in their legalism. For me legalism is a plague.

I have heard this theology spoken
before, about the Shabbat being a ritual and is now no longer to be obeyed, yet I don't believe I have ever read this in the Bible. Do you happen to have scripture to back up this theology?

Shabbat is all about loving God and others, you love God by taking His Holy day and remembering what He did at creation and ceasing from your work as He did. (worship).

And loving others by allowing them time to worship God and giving them rest, not being greedy and working a person or animal 7 days a week. (moral)

I find it so sad that people call the commandments legalism just because they may not truly understand them.

The commandments can be legalistic if you do them without God, but if you truly embrace the command in order to worship and love God and others it is a wonderful blessing.

Blessed is the one who fears the Lord always, but whoever hardens his heart will fall into calamity. Proverbs 28:14

 

[BobRyan]

And the first Sabbath is in Gen 2:1-3 according to Ex 20:11 -- and there is no Jewish priest, no animal sacrifice -- and no sin.

What is more the fact that the first Sabbath is in sinless Eden is admitted to by a number of even pro-sunday scholars.

 

[Bob S]

I have heard this theology spoken
before, about the Shabbat being a ritual and is now no longer to be obeyed, yet I don't believe I have ever read this in the Bible. Do you happen to have scripture to back up this theology?

No, I have no scripture. I don't believe there is any scripture indicating the other nine are moral either. The nine are how we relate to God and our fellow man. the Sabbath is how the Israelires related to the command to rest and remember. It also stated that Israelites were to labor six days. Do all you Sabbath commandment observers labor six days?
Shabbat is the most important ritual observance in Judaism. It is the only ritual observance instituted in the Ten Commandments. It is also the most important special day, even more important than Yom Kippur. This is clear from the fact that more aliyot (opportunities for congregants to be called up to the Torah) are given on Shabbat than on any other day.
http://www.jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm
Is there something holy about using the word Shabbat in place of Sabbath?

Shabbat is all about loving God and others,

Please give me some scripture that tells us this. I thought Sabbath was about a day of rest, a day of commemoration of their freedom from bondage in Egypt and remembrance of creation.

you love God by taking His Holy day and remembering what He did at creation and ceasing from your work as He did. (worship).

How come God didn't ever ask any other nation to remember creation? We are all children of His creation. Why do you think that God wants gentiles today to do something He never asked them to do in all of history.

And loving others by allowing them time to worship God and giving them rest, not being greedy and working a person or animal 7 days a week. (moral)

No one is making people stop taking time to love others, worship God and rest. There is absolutely no way everyone in the World can observe Saturday by closing down everything and attending church. That could only happen in a totalitarian country like Israel was once.

I find it so sad that people call the commandments legalism just because they may not truly understand them.

Please show me where anyone has called the commandments legalism. I think even young children understand the commandments. What more is there to understand?

The commandments can be legalistic if you do them without God,

I don't believe that. It is people that become legalistic.

but if you truly embrace the command in order to worship and love God and others it is a wonderful blessing.

The problem is that God has never asked Christians to keep a day. Another fact, no one has ever really kept the Sabbath. Tryers fail every week.

Blessed is the one who fears the Lord always, but whoever hardens his heart will fall into calamity. Proverbs 28:14

Kinda reeks of telling those of us who do not buy into your brand of religion will have hard hearts and will come into calamity. I could post the same scripture to you, but I wouldn't do such a thing to anyone.

 

[love2obey]

You certainly are not getting your information from scripture because Jesus said that if we believe in Him we have eternal life and won't even go through the judgment.

Therefore, the redeeming power in Jesus is greater than the creating power of God. Jesus can do for humanity what God couldnt do, keep us from the condemnation of sin.

 

[bugkiller]

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[Bob S]

Therefore, the redeeming power in Jesus is greater than the creating power of God. Jesus can do for humanity what God couldnt do, keep us from the condemnation of sin.

It is as plain as the nose on my face that you do not understand the plan of Salvation nor do you have the correct understanding of the Godhead.