Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

[Cribstyl]

the same as always, the Lord is our God and His will we will do, therefore, believe in Him.

You've ignored my question about your claim of Abraham's message of Salvation to the world.

When we read the bible, we fiNd that the message of who God is to us is preached by testimony, our actions say who God is.

We find when Israel was faithful, it was blessed by the guidance and protection of the Almighty. when it wasnt, it had to deal with its own consequences. God walked away.
what truth are you talking about? the Sabbath, sin
I dont believe in a god of many truths and according to man's need will change His teachings. I believe in God who is the same always and forever. His teachings are the same for all man to believe and follow. Otherwise, He is not God. He does not favor one over another. those who believe will be with Him and He with them. This has been the same from Genesis to Revelation and as well with Jesus. This is the key to having faith in God. Jesus knew that when He died, He would be resurrected. Furthermore, it is the only way that one can truly see God's true nature. Otherwise, I cant believe nor trust someone that keeps changing. Would You? Throughout time, as man has changed God has changed the ways He comes to man and His teachings are the same. If not, He would be a cruel and hateful being. It is like saying that God only spoke Hebrew. so, He didnt care for nor love the rest. God speaks all languages and teaches them to all who believe in Him to share His message to the rest of the World. Therefore, His teachings are the same for every person who so ever exist.
Gen 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
So you say that I dodge the questions. Well just because I refuse to get into the bible bowl to see who knows the Bible best win, it does not mean so. Finding biblical text to keep going and going to no where does not mean I know who God is, the truth. I know who He is because He is and will always be God and not just a being that needs to reinvent himself. In the beginning of the Bible, it is where we find God and man true nature. Thereafter in the bible, we see all that has happened since man decided to have its own god to believe in beside God. Let us see the truth that some of us is not willing to address.... and that is that since the devil will not ever again be in heaven, he does not want us either. How is he doing it? by creating false teaching about the Lord that has never been as he did with Eve.
You believe in what you do and that I will respect but I dont believe in just anything or anyone. He says in the bible that He does not changes His ways or His mind, therefore, I will not accept any changes as I read the bible or blessed myself in ways that I know He will not bless me. As I read the Bible, I must see God's character in all that I read about Him or I am not really seeing God in my understanding. The great Solomon realized that will all his knowledge by not uplifting God's name, he knew or did nothing. Wisdom comes from God and God only.
SAW ME WHY WOULD GOD TAKE THE BLESSING AND SANCTIFICATION FROM SOMETHING THAT HE CREATED?
not a trick nor a trap. see your answer if God's name is uplift it. One can truly say to someone with your answer: believe, trust, God will be with you always. Lets not look for another text for support. yet, this text Gen 2:3 should enable us to understand the other text better. It was first. Just like the OT supports the NT and not vise versa.

If God ever said that He regret making man, you have some explaining to do about God not changing His mind. If God ever said that He would give a new covenant unlike the one given to the fathers, you have some more explaining to do. This forum is about discussion of doctrines. Have a good day.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Is any doctrine right then ? CAN ANY doctrine be right then ?

 

[love2obey]

But you sin more than me, I'm not under the law, your under the law so you sin more.

read and analyze your statement. You are blaming the law for my sins and the law was given to man by God so God I am to blame for my sins. It is like blaming the law for my crimes. Your line of thought blames the cop for giving you a ticket for taking the red light or running a stop sign.

 

[love2obey]

Is any doctrine right then ? CAN ANY doctrine be right then ?

the one that uplift the name of God by passing the test from Genesis to Revelation since God was, is and will always be the same to all.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

the one that uplift the name of God by passing the test from Genesis to Revelation since God was, is and will always be the same to all.

Amein! It is so. Meanwhile, we have to put up with all the others ...... until God Himself says otherwise and/or takes action Himself....

 

[love2obey]

You've ignored my question about your claim of Abraham's message of Salvation to the world.




If God ever said that He regret making man, you have some explaining to do about God not changing His mind. If God ever said that He would give a new covenant unlike the one given to the fathers, you have some more explaining to do. This forum is about discussion of doctrines. Have a good day.

the message from a previous post to you:
the same as always, the Lord is our God and His will we will do, therefore, believe in Him. When we read the bible, we find that the message of who God is to us is preached by testimony, our actions say who God is. We find when Israel was faithful, it was blessed by the guidance and protection of the Almighty. when it wasnt, it had to deal with its own consequences. God walked away.
THIS WE SEE MORE DETAILED THROUGHOUT THE BOOKS OF KINGS AND CHRONICLES
On regard to God regret making man this says the Bible;
Genesis 6:7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Where it comes to a Covenant, it has always been the same, God's commitment to save humanity from itself. God has used different method but always with the same purpose it. Jesus being the last.

 

[Cribstyl]

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Your commentary is bent to make someone believe this text is a reference to the 10 commandments.

Eph 6:2 "HONOR your father and Mother ... this is the FIRST commandment with a promise"

Your point is there is still a 10.com. Paul does not teach that there is no law (ten commandments). Paul taught that Christian are not under the law (the ten commandment.)

1 John 5:"3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith."
Rom 3:31 "Do we then abolish the LAW by our faith - on the contrary we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"

Both texts above exposes deceptive intention. 1John 5:3 is not talking about the ten.
Rom 3:31 is reiteration a conclusion that faith is without the law Rom 3:21,Rom 3:28 and by keeping faith, the law is upheld. These tactics are why people should run away from SDA so-called truth.

Rom 8
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

It seems to me that you cant even get 1 fact correct anymore. Why is that?
Your rejection of key facts in context are always expected.
Rom 8:1 says; There is no condemnation for those is Christ. Why??? (because they're not under the law)
Rom 8:2 law of the spirit makes you free from the law of sin and death (the 10 commandments is the law of sin and death.)
Rom 8:3 What the law could not do...... (this verse spells out that the law could not give life, it only labeled sin and brought condemnation(death))[/quote]

 

[bugkiller]

But you sin more than me, I'm not under the law, your under the law so you sin more.

 

[Bob S]

Amein! It is so. Meanwhile, we have to put up with all the others ...... until God Himself says otherwise and/or takes action Himself....

Sounds like you would really like to trash all who do not share your brand of whatever, too bad. Jesus loves all His children and we are commanded to do the same.

 

[love2obey]

Amein! It is so. Meanwhile, we have to put up with all the others ...... until God Himself says otherwise and/or takes action Himself....

Let us never forget that until the end, anyone can give into temptation. Jesus was tempted until the end. Had He give into temptation, all would had been lost, including Him.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Acts 2:40 biblegateway

AMPC
And [Peter] solemnly and earnestly witnessed (testified) and admonished (exhorted) with much more continuous speaking and warned (reproved, advised, encouraged) them, saying, Be saved from this crooked (perverse, wicked, unjust) generation.
BRG
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
CEB
With many other words he testified to them and encouraged them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.”
CJB
He pressed his case with many other arguments and kept pleading with them, “Save yourselves from this perverse generation!”

Amein! It is so. Meanwhile, we have to put up with all the others ...... until God Himself says otherwise and/or takes action Himself....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Let us never forget that until the end, anyone can give into temptation. Jesus was tempted until the end. Had He give into temptation, all would had been lost, including Him.

Why ? Did someone forget , since as it is written , the whole world refuses to repent of worshiping demons,
(except for the remnant, through the whole Bible right up to the end) ... ?

 

[disciple1]

read and analyze your statement. You are blaming the law for my sins and the law was given to man by God so God I am to blame for my sins. It is like blaming the law for my crimes. Your line of thought blames the cop for giving you a ticket for taking the red light or running a stop sign.

1 Corinthians chapter 15 verse 56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

But you ignoring the bible to put in your own opinion. That bible verse shows exactly the way it is.
Your a slave to sin, I'm not, I'm a slave to love, and I sin very little not that it matters, you sin a lot because your controlled by the sinful nature.

 

[BobRyan]

Let us never forget that until the end, anyone can give into temptation. Jesus was tempted until the end. Had He give into temptation, all would had been lost, including Him.

But this is not the case with the lost of Romans 8:4-9 who "do not submit to the Law of God - neither indeed can they" --

Rather the saints have the 1 John 5:3-4 life -

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

 

[bugkiller]

therefore, there was no grace with Christ to share with all His disciples?
you bring to light a biblical reference to support your beliefs. You are living out the life of Jesus Christ
which is what I see in the save by grace doctrines. Such doctrine as far as I have seen, in its quest to void the law
it is leaving out Jesus Christ. Salvation can only come to man by what happen in MT Calvary. A gift to man from God
that no one is worthy of, grace. I will also tell you that some times SDA teachers are so into the law that they are leaving out what God has given humanity with Jesus, no one being worthy of, grace.
now let us look at what Jesus Himself says to those who read the scriptures and leave Him out of their beliefs: John 5:39,40
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
When we put aside that Jesus is the living God and the living sacrifice, we are negating our true salvation. Instead, we are looking for salvation else where.
Jesus is the culmination of the new covenant. With Jesus, God rest from further attempt to keep His people from being lost. Moreover, He clearly says that "He would put the law in our mind and write it in their heart". I dont know about you but when I think of what Jesus did for me on the cross, I hurt. So, I dont want to do what I did that cause Jesus to die for me, break the law. John 15:10.
I dont get your point with this text... It clearly state that out of love for God, one keeps His commandments. it is the core of the gospel today when one dearly appreciates what Jesus has done for us.

I used to respond to this type of post line by line. I don't much anymore because its simply useless. I understand you have to much interest in your false doctrines and apparently have problems with English to have any profitable discussion.

So very sorry for you.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

are we then blaming the law for our sins?

I'm not.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Again, I ask is then the law the reason for our sins or something bad for us? I read a blessing and thank God for the law in this sinful world that helps us in our sinful nature.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Gal 5

What are you led by?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Before the law there was sin, for we know since Adam and Eve were found in sin.
By quoting this you are preaching that one can be saved by doing good things. And the bible clearly speaks against that.
What you just quoted is the testimony of those who have believed in Christ whose lives have changed by the power of the Holy Spirit. When we rebuke sin, we dont fall into temptation, we are empower to live a different life since God cant be an accomplice to our sins.

I don't think so. Those who were doing those things didn't understand they were doing them. Maybe this is because it was automatic.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Is any doctrine right then ? CAN ANY doctrine be right then ?

Are we really trying to decide which lie to follow?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

the one that uplift the name of God by passing the test from Genesis to Revelation since God was, is and will always be the same to all.

Nope!

bugkiller