Both Saturday and Sunday Sabbath are Wrong

[BABerean2]

Show me where Jesus told us not to remember his Sabbath day and keep it holy.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


The first day of the week has never been the Sinai Sabbath and there is zero scripture which says the Sabbath was moved to the first day of the week.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.


The Sinai Sabbath was the "Sign" of a covenant fulfilled at Calvary.


Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Are you a part of the children of Israel, who lived about 2,000 years ago?
Are you part of the "obsolete" Sinai covenant? Hebrews 8:13


Christ fulfilled all of God's commandments.

Do not eat of the fruit of the tree...

Circumcise your male offspring...

On the Passover, offer a pure unblemished male Lamb...

Keep the Sabbath day...


You are either under the covenant of Works that brings death without perfect obedience or you are under the New Blood Covenant of Grace, in which Christ did the work for us. (Matthew 26:28)


Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Will you pick the works of the law or faith?

Under the Mosaic covenant anyone who picked up sticks on the Sabbath or traveled more than a mile on that day was to be stoned to death. It was literally a covenant of death.



1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


Love God and Love Neighbor. This is the foundation stone of the New Covenant.

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[Circle Christ]

Thank you. No such command from Jesus himself. Nor in 1st John.

I will stop here. You propose that someone can love God and yet not remember the Sabbath Jesus told us to keep as Holy. And so as to feel that bond, because the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27. You argue God took that away from us, while arguing to love God as Jesus said is paramount. Not only is that contradiction it is to speak against what is written.

Jesus did not say , not ever, not once, to forget the Sabbath he told us to remember. Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, and Luke 6:5.
“The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:28)
To share commentary of other than what the Lord of the Sabbath said is like unto posting someones personal opinion about the Sabbath texts and those being said to carry the authority of God. They were letters to the church at Ephesus. Those scriptures you refer to from Paul's textual writings. They were not Jesus repealing the Sabbath. Nor were they Paul saying all that the Sabbath is no longer applies given the Messiah had arrived and created the new covenant. The new covenant was at its heart and foundation exactly what Jesus said and intended even in the old. Love!

Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy. Shabbat, שבת.
I will presume that last writing in Hebrew will invite the charge again of Judaiser. That is not an insult because Jesus our Lord was a Jew. Why then would someone imagine to use it as an accusation against those who keep to God's words concerning his command to remember the Sabbath he made for us?


I find it suspect that anyone would believe Jesus told us not to do that any more. The Sabbath being created for us so that we may rest from our work and take the time to join with God in worship when we are now in new covenant joined with his spirit again.
The day of rest.When we may relax from our labors and worship God. That that is now said by so many in what I've found on this same topic throughout this site. The proposal argued in hopes of persuading concession to the opinion Christians are to no longer rest from their labors in the world and take the time to worship and be in the presence of God.

I wonder if those that make this proposal bother to worship God on Sunday? If they do their argument against the Sabbath is void. And they are teaching false when they argue Sabbath no longer applies . Because they believe Jesus who fulfilled the promise of Savior said he no longer needs to be worshiped particularly on the day he designated for the church remove themselves from the trials of the world and unite with their Father to give thanks. Especially for having died for them.

Now, the question becomes, why would someone who argues the Sabbath no longer is to be recognized go to church on a Sunday? And then return to a Christian's community and argue Jesus stated the Sabbath day is repealed?


I will not venture to guess. That will be something between them and God.

 

[BABerean2]

“The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:28)

You are making progress.

Christ is Lord of the Sabbath. If the Holy Spirit from God is living inside of you, then the Lord of the Sabbath is with you every day of the week. The Sinai Sabbath was the shadow of the rest in Christ.

You are hanging onto the shadow instead of grasping the real thing.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


If you want to keep the Sinai Sabbath...

Do not pick up a stick or travel more than a mile.

Otherwise, those who view the text as you, would need to stone you.



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[Hank77]

Since I stated I did not watch the video it is impossible for you to pose this critique or question in my direction.

My question is about the Law that is written in the OT and spoken of in the NT. Not something that you can only find in a video.
Joh_7:22 because of this, Moses hath given you the circumcision--not that it is of Moses, but of the fathers--and on a sabbath ye circumcise a man;
Joh_7:23 if a man doth receive circumcision on a sabbath that the law of Moses may not be broken, are ye wroth with me that I made a man all whole on a sabbath?

There is the answer to that question. Circumcision took precedence over the Sabbath and Paul said that circumcision was nothing of value for those in Christ.

I was speaking to that one that claimed the moral covenant no longer applies.

The old covenant, which was from Moses at Sinai until the Seed should come. The Seed of Abraham, which is the Christ, came.
When do you think "the Seed should come", means?

 

[bugkiller]

Since I stated I did not watch the video it is impossible for you to pose this critique or question in my direction.

I was speaking to that one that claimed the moral covenant no longer applies.

What moral covenant are you talking about?

No, not when it is in a thread discussing the Sabbath. No, I speak from having read the new testament. And even referred to the passages wherein Jesus reiterated the ten commandments. And told his disciples, who would have been raised on the law, that the law's Decalogue all hinged on Love. He being Lord of the Sabbath that was made for man, man was not made for the Sabbath, is Jesus carrying over what he said in the old covenant. Moral righteousness remains in place.

What is moral about ritual?

Thinking it does not is merely opinion. And that which contradicts Jesus' teachings.

Which ones?

I think I know the retort that will post but I have to ask. What do you say? Being your opinion about the Sabbath and moral righteousness is already on the thread here.

Contrary statements are what make for a very confusing discussion. I'll attempt to wade through. You're saying here what you accused in my remarks prior. That the moral code of conduct is abolished is what you're saying here. And if that were the case then your arguing that the immoral opposite is allowed.

I don't think so. Sin was before the law. Wouldn't that mean immoral behavior was before the law? Who here is thumping immorality? The only people that I see even suggesting such a crazy idea are the law thumpers.

The moral covenant was not abrogated. That's why Jesus in life reiterated all of it. And then he died as the perfect sacrifice that proved what he said all those moral righteous behaviors, commands, hinged on. LOVE. Therefore, if one loves God they honor only him. If they love their neighbor as themselves they do not steal, covet, commit adultery with that neighbors spouse, they do not kill that neighbor.

What moral covenant are you talking about? I've never heard of it at least being called a moral covenant?

And of all the ten commands that tell us what not to do, there are two, as I have said, that tell us to remember. Show me where Jesus told us not to remember his Sabbath day and keep it holy.When he is the Lord that created that Sabbath to be honored so.

Right after you show us Jesus said or implied His followers are so obligated.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Thank you. No such command from Jesus himself. Nor in 1st John.

I will stop here. You propose that someone can love God and yet not remember the Sabbath Jesus told us to keep as Holy. And so as to feel that bond, because the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27. You argue God took that away from us, while arguing to love God as Jesus said is paramount. Not only is that contradiction it is to speak against what is written.

Please quote where Jesus said to keep the Sabbath anything - especially holy.

bugkiller

 

[Circle Christ]

Please quote where Jesus said to keep the Sabbath anything - especially holy.

bugkiller

Do you go to church?
How many here who claim the Sabbath day and all that it stands for in God's word go to church?

 

[BABerean2]

Do you go to church?
How many here who claim the Sabbath day and all that it stands for in God's word go to church?

My wife and I attend a service with our local body of believers on Sunday morning and participate in a home Bible study on Wednesday nights. They are both days of worship.

Neither of the buildings involved is a "church".

The Church is made up of those believers indwelled with the Holy Spirit from God.

If you want to try and keep the Sinai Sabbath, make sure you do not pick up any sticks and do not travel over a mile during the time of Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

Some people claim the Sabbath was changed to anytime Sundown. There is just one problem. This claim is not found in scripture. The Apostles did meet and preach on the Lord's Day, but they never called it the Sabbath.

Jesus Christ is our Sabbath Rest.

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[Bob S]

Do you go to church?
How many here who claim the Sabbath day and all that it stands for in God's word go to church?

I do, I love to fellowship with believers. For 40 years I tried to "keep" Sabbath by turning my foot from doing my own pleasure. It was impossible and I failed every week. Everyone of you who are trying to win over converts to Sabbath observing churches know that you fail every week too yet you tell them they have to keep it in order to please God. Some even think that if we do not keep it we will loose our eternal inheritance. All of them depend on their hierarchy and peers for their knowledge because what they are slinging certainly is not Biblical. Thank God I was fortunate to see the real truth.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You are making progress.

Christ is Lord of the Sabbath. If the Holy Spirit from God is living inside of you, then the Lord of the Sabbath is with you every day of the week.
The Sinai Sabbath was the shadow of the rest in Christ.

You are hanging onto the shadow instead of grasping the real thing.

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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Great post!
Now if we can only get the unbelieving non-Christian Jews to understand it, Christianity will flourish even more.

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
Covenantle parable of Rich Man and Lazurus

......................The Jews pictured by the rich man in this parable are in their present state because of their unbelief, which ultimately manifested itself in the rejection of the Messiah, Yeshua. Unfortunately, this parable shows that the punishment and testing they would undergo would not immediately lead them to Yeshua.
Instead of calling on the Messiah, the rich man calls on his ancestor Abraham to help ease his suffering.

LUKE 16:
29 "Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' "
30 "And he said, 'Nay! father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though One rise from the dead.' "

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage.

Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!

http://www.nsbible.org/sits_ts/v0s1.htm

TABERNACLE
SHADOWS OF THE BETTER SACRIFICES

CHAPTER I

The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

THE Tabernacle which God commanded the people of Israel to construct in the Wilderness of Sin, and in connection with which all their religious services and ceremonies were instituted, was, the Apostle Paul assures us, a shadow of good things to come. (`Heb. 8:5; 10:1`; `Col. 2:17`) In fact, the whole nation of Israel, as well as its laws and its religious services and ceremonies, was typical.
This being true, our understanding of the plan and work of salvation now in progress, as well as their future development, cannot fail to be greatly enlightened by a careful study of those "shadows" which the Israelites, for our edification, were caused to repeat year by year continually until the Gospel age introduced their antitypes--the realities. `1 Pet. 1:11`; `Heb. 10:1-3`..................


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[Circle Christ]

The Christian that goes to church on what was the Roman pagan's day of sun worship, the sun's day, while arguing the Sabbath for all it is, prior to the law, ordained by God himself after creating all that he created, as a day of rest so that people could honor him, can never argue the Sabbath no longer applies. Though they do repeatedly. They even go so far in other places on the Net as to say Jesus promise of eternal Salvation isn't true either. Pitiable.

Those type folk that do go to church on the sun's day are doing exactly what the Sabbath prescribed when they go to that church. Taking time to rest and honor God.

But they're blaspheming God by worshiping on what was a pagan sun god's day of worship instead of by the original new moon calendar that identifies the Sabbath monthly.


Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He never renounced the Sabbath that he told us to remember in the old testament. It is without question we honor Jesus every day because we are indwelt by God's Holy Spirit. One day a week we are to take our rest from our labors in the world and honor God, be at one with the Father.Read the Bible. Pray. Reflect.


Cleave to Jesus who has that final word. John 14:6.

 

[BABerean2]

But they're blaspheming God by worshiping on what was a pagan sun god's day of worship instead of by the original new moon calendar that identifies the Sabbath monthly.

It looks like we are in good company since the Apostles of Christ worshipped on this same day, in the verse below.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

We are worshipping not on a Sabbath, but on the Son's day, the same day that He appeared after His resurrection from the dead.

Mar_16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Joh_20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

1Co_16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.



Some prefer to worship on Saturn's day, in an attempt to keep the "Sign" of a covenant of bondage that Paul compelled the Galatian church to "cast out" in Galatians 4:24-31.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(Hebrews 11:16)

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

This is the same "yoke" mentioned by Peter in Acts chapter 15, when dealing with the Judaisers.


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

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[BABerean2]

Now of we can only get the unbelieving non-Christian Jews to understand it, Christianity will flourish even more.

The following man is taking the first step by using Isaiah chapter 53. Based on Jeremiah 31:31-34, the Jews should have been looking for a New Covenant to replace the Sinai covenant they had broken. As revealed by the angel Gabriel in Daniel chapter 9, the Messiah would come before the second temple was destroyed.

Forbidden Chapter in the Tanakh (Jewish Evangelism)

 

[Bob S]

The Christian that goes to church on what was the Roman pagan's day of sun worship, the sun's day, while arguing the Sabbath for all it is, prior to the law, ordained by God himself after creating all that he created, as a day of rest so that people could honor him, can never argue the Sabbath no longer applies. Though they do repeatedly. They even go so far in other places on the Net as to say Jesus promise of eternal Salvation isn't true either. Pitiable.

Those type folk that do go to church on the sun's day are doing exactly what the Sabbath prescribed when they go to that church. Taking time to rest and honor God.

But they're blaspheming God by worshiping on what was a pagan sun god's day of worship instead of by the original new moon calendar that identifies the Sabbath monthly.


Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He never renounced the Sabbath that he told us to remember in the old testament. It is without question we honor Jesus every day because we are indwelt by God's Holy Spirit. One day a week we are to take our rest from our labors in the world and honor God, be at one with the Father.Read the Bible. Pray. Reflect.


Cleave to Jesus who has that final word. John 14:6.

What is this "we" stuff? It was the Israelites only that were told to observe the Sabbath in remembrance of their delivery out of slavery. Jesus has never told Christians, through the Apostles, to observe any day. Oh the foolish ones listening to some misguided soul that has led people down a path that is a dead end.

The fact is that we are told by the Apostle Paul that Sabbath was a temporary law and is now nothing more than a shadow. I, for one, do not chase shadows nor will I ever get sucked in to a cult again. Jesus may be lord over the Sabbath, but He has never asked anyone except the Israelites to observe it.

 

[bugkiller]

Do you go to church?
How many here who claim the Sabbath day and all that it stands for in God's word go to church?

I've no idea why you ask those questions.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The Christian that goes to church on what was the Roman pagan's day of sun worship, the sun's day, while arguing the Sabbath for all it is, prior to the law, ordained by God himself after creating all that he created, as a day of rest so that people could honor him, can never argue the Sabbath no longer applies. Though they do repeatedly. They even go so far in other places on the Net as to say Jesus promise of eternal Salvation isn't true either. Pitiable.

Those type folk that do go to church on the sun's day are doing exactly what the Sabbath prescribed when they go to that church. Taking time to rest and honor God.

But they're blaspheming God by worshiping on what was a pagan sun god's day of worship instead of by the original new moon calendar that identifies the Sabbath monthly.


Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He never renounced the Sabbath that he told us to remember in the old testament. It is without question we honor Jesus every day because we are indwelt by God's Holy Spirit. One day a week we are to take our rest from our labors in the world and honor God, be at one with the Father.Read the Bible. Pray. Reflect.


Cleave to Jesus who has that final word. John 14:6.

I see trouble.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

I see trouble.

bugkiller

I see brainwashing at its highest level.

 

[BobRyan]

It looks like we are in good company since the Apostles of Christ worshipped on this same day, in the verse below.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

We are worshipping not on a Sabbath, but on the Son's day, the same day that He appeared after His resurrection from the dead.

Mar_16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Joh_20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

1Co_16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

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Sadly the only one of those texts specifying that something be done every week-day-1 has a few problems for the worship-on-every-weekday-1-but-not-God's-Sabbath group.
1. It does not call week-day-1 the new Sabbath.
2. It does not call week-day-1 the Lord's Day
3. It does not call for worship on week-day-1
4. it does not declare week-day-1 holy
5. It does not say that week-day-1 there is a gathering of any kind. "Lay by himself alone - in store" as some have pointed out.

yet it is the ONLY text in ALL of scripture saying to do something on every week-day-1!!!

 

[BobRyan]

I see brainwashing at its highest level.

I would think you see that a lot.

 

[Travis93]

Does this new covenant sound like abolishing the law?

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.