Dogs were domesticated not once, but twice

[joshua 1 9]

In Genesis Chapter One we see that man was told to: "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth". Interesting that the KJV people uses the word: "replenish" suggesting that there was something here before that needed replenished. We call these people hunter gathers and they domesticated hunting dogs.

Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. They also had domecticated dogs that they used for herding their animals. Somewhere along the way someone figured out that they did not have to travel around chasing the animals. They could pen the animals in and this is when farming began. Adam and Eve had two sons. Cain and Able. One took care of the plants and the other took care of the animals.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160602151723.htm

 

[Veera Chase]

Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden 6,000 years ago.

No they were not.

They also had domecticated dogs that they used for herding their animals.

Who trained them God?

Somewhere along the way someone figured out that they did not have to travel around chasing the animals.

How will we ever find out who that was?

They could pen the animals in and this is when farming began. Adam and Eve had two sons. Cain and Able. One took care of the plants and the other took care of the animals.

You're obviously lost in a world of someone else's making.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Where in the Genesis account does it mention Adam and Eve herding animals in the Garden of Eden?
Where does it say that Adam and Eve domesticated dogs?

And I actually want ACTUAL scripture from the Genesis account referring to the Garden of Eden ONLY.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No they were not.

God said it, I believe it and that settles it. Also I have overwhelming scientific evidence to show that Adam and Eve were real people and that the Garden in Eden was a real place. This is more then just the desire we all have to return to paradise.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Where in the Genesis account does it mention Adam and Eve herding animals in the Garden of Eden?

Genesis 4:2 Again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Where does it say that Adam and Eve domesticated dogs?

Not much in the Bible, you will have to go to science to study the domestication of dogs.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Genesis 4:2 Again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Able was born AFTER Adam and Eve were ejected from the Garden of Eden. Fail.

Not much in the Bible, you will have to go to science to study the domestication of dogs.

 

[CodyFaith]

haters gon' hate brah.

I personally don't see the scripture saying anything about domesticated dogs, but I believe they did it early on, very possibly at the very beginning. Man's best friend, would make sense was with man since the very beginning.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Able was born AFTER Adam and Eve were ejected from the Garden of Eden. Fail.

We are told that all things were created in Jesus. Also John tells us that: "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."

So the Bible does not contain everything. That is why we have science. Only the Bible is the way of redemption and salvation. We learn in the Bible how way we are to treat people. Jesus clearly says to treat others the way we want them to treat us. So IS that what you want? Do you want people to treat you the way you are treating them?


"16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him." Col 1:16

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

We are told that all things were created in Jesus. Also John tells us that: "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."

So the Bible does not contain everything. That is why we have science. Only the Bible is the way of redemption and salvation. We learn in the Bible how way we are to treat people. Jesus clearly says to treat others the way we want them to treat us. So IS that what you want? Do you want people to treat you the way you are treating them?


"16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him." Col 1:16

I don't want you preaching to me. I want you to show me, where in the Bible, it says that Adam and Eve domesticated dogs in the Garden of Eden. It's not that hard of a request to follow.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I personally don't see the scripture saying anything about domesticated dogs

This is why we have science: "researchers suggested that the Middle East was where dogs were first domesticated, said Dr Adam Boyko, an assistant professor at the Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine."

http://www.thenational.ae/uae/science/middle-easts-key-role-in-dogs-evolution

We are looking at what SCIENCE has to say about the domestication of all the ancient plants and animals IN the Middle East. Science considers the neolithic revolution VERY significant because this is when Man first became a food producer. This is when they first began to build cities and become civilized.

Dogs are considered unclean in the Bible. "Thou shalt not bring the hire of a harlot, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God." Deu 23:18

 

[joshua 1 9]

I don't want you preaching to me. I want you to show me, where in the Bible, it says that Adam and Eve domesticated dogs in the Garden of Eden. It's not that hard of a request to follow.

This is the second time I am telling you that we get this information from Science not the Bible. If you will look you will see that we are IN the science forum. Creation and Evolution.

Anyways, what we are looking at is the passage that talks about: "Every Beast of the Field"

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Commentary
vs 20. the man gave names: We have here the exercise of man’s powers of discrimination and classification. This is the birth of science. Man’s first use of speech is in the naming of animals. The names describe their character or appearance. From the instance given in Genesis 2:23 of a name thus applied, it is clear that primaeval man was supposed to speak in the Hebrew language.

but for man] From this clause it appears, as indeed is shewn by Genesis 2:18-19, that the animals on being formed were brought to the man, in order that, if it were possible, some amongst them might be the help that his nature needed. The passage implies that the nature of the animals had a kinship with that of man; but, while full of sympathy with the animal world, it implies that companionship, in the truest sense, was not to be found by man in creatures destitute of the higher prerogatives of human nature. “An help meet for man” must be on a level with him in feeling, in intellect, and reason.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This is the second time I am telling you that we get this information from Science not the Bible. If you will look you will see that we are IN the science forum. Creation and Evolution.

Anyways, what we are looking at is the passage that talks about: "Every Beast of the Field"

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Commentary
vs 20. the man gave names: We have here the exercise of man’s powers of discrimination and classification. This is the birth of science. Man’s first use of speech is in the naming of animals. The names describe their character or appearance. From the instance given in Genesis 2:23 of a name thus applied, it is clear that primaeval man was supposed to speak in the Hebrew language.

but for man] From this clause it appears, as indeed is shewn by Genesis 2:18-19, that the animals on being formed were brought to the man, in order that, if it were possible, some amongst them might be the help that his nature needed. The passage implies that the nature of the animals had a kinship with that of man; but, while full of sympathy with the animal world, it implies that companionship, in the truest sense, was not to be found by man in creatures destitute of the higher prerogatives of human nature. “An help meet for man” must be on a level with him in feeling, in intellect, and reason.

And yet nowhere in that passage does it say that Adam and Eve domesticated dogs.
And also, your own link doesn't support your claim. It's not saying that dogs were domesticated a two different points in time. It's saying that dogs were domesticated at the different sides of the Eurasian continent.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And yet nowhere in that passage does it say that Adam and Eve domesticated dogs.

Adam is an archetype to some degree as all the Bible stores represent archetypes. This is the difference between a movie and a snap shot. Adam lived at a point in time around 6,000 years ago. Domestication took place over a period of time.

The point is that herding dogs "Dogs likely originated in the Middle East, not Asia or Europe, according to a new genetic analysis by an international team of scientists led by UCLA biologists. The research, funded by the National Science Foundation and the Searle Scholars Program,"

"Dogs seem to share more genetic similarity with Middle Eastern gray wolves than with any other wolf population worldwide," said Robert Wayne, UCLA professor of ecology and evolutionary biology and senior author of the Nature paper. "Genome-wide analysis now directly suggests a Middle East origin for modern dogs. We have found that a dominant proportion of modern dogs' ancestry derives from Middle Eastern wolves, and this finding is consistent with the hypothesis that dogs originated in the Middle East."

"We know that dogs from the Middle East were closely associated with humans because they were found in ancient human burial sites," Wayne said. "In one case, a puppy is curled up in the arms of a buried human."

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/dogs-likely-originated-in-the-155101

"The Canaan Dog is a pariah dog that has survived in the desert region of Israel for thousands of years. Believed to be the dog breed that the Hebrews used in biblical times to herd and guard their flocks and encampments, some are still used by Bedouins and Druse for this purpose today. In Europe and North America they are companion dogs and compete in dog sports such as conformation, agility, and obedience."

http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/canaan-dog#/slide/1

THE CANAAN DOG IS THE NATIONAL BREED OF ISRAEL.

Read more at http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/canaan-dog#G0kzOADi95m3kUIw.99

 

[Jimmy D]

In Genesis Chapter One we see that man was told to: "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth". Interesting that the KJV people uses the word: "replenish" suggesting that there was something here before that needed replenished. We call these people hunter gathers and they domesticated hunting dogs.

Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. They also had domecticated dogs that they used for herding their animals. Somewhere along the way someone figured out that they did not have to travel around chasing the animals. They could pen the animals in and this is when farming began. Adam and Eve had two sons. Cain and Able. One took care of the plants and the other took care of the animals.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160602151723.htm

Not this again.

From your own links:

Dogs were domesticated approximately 12000 years ago.
Sheep, goats, cattle and pigs approximately 9000 - 7000 years ago
Crops approx 12000 years ago link

According to you Adam and Eve were in Eden 6000 years ago, so what exactly was created in Genesis 1?

Neolithic communities were spread over Europe, Asia, America and the Middle East and happily farming thousands of years before then.

I appreciate that you're going to ignore these facts or move the goalposts yet again. Why can't you admit that your interpretation is flawed? Genesis is fairly specific about the order in which god created everything and it doesn't match your analysis in anyway unless you ignore large parts of it and twist out of recognition those parts you haven't ignored.

Do you remember that poster 777 something who used to claim the ark was some sort of spaceship biosphere that landed in Lake Van? You're starting to sound like him. I'd suggest you take a step back and think about what you're saying.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Adam is an archetype to some degree as all the Bible stores represent archetypes. This is the difference between a movie and a snap shot. Adam lived at a point in time around 6,000 years ago. Domestication took place over a period of time.

The point is that herding dogs "Dogs likely originated in the Middle East, not Asia or Europe, according to a new genetic analysis by an international team of scientists led by UCLA biologists. The research, funded by the National Science Foundation and the Searle Scholars Program,"

"Dogs seem to share more genetic similarity with Middle Eastern gray wolves than with any other wolf population worldwide," said Robert Wayne, UCLA professor of ecology and evolutionary biology and senior author of the Nature paper. "Genome-wide analysis now directly suggests a Middle East origin for modern dogs. We have found that a dominant proportion of modern dogs' ancestry derives from Middle Eastern wolves, and this finding is consistent with the hypothesis that dogs originated in the Middle East."

"We know that dogs from the Middle East were closely associated with humans because they were found in ancient human burial sites," Wayne said. "In one case, a puppy is curled up in the arms of a buried human."

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/dogs-likely-originated-in-the-155101

"The Canaan Dog is a pariah dog that has survived in the desert region of Israel for thousands of years. Believed to be the dog breed that the Hebrews used in biblical times to herd and guard their flocks and encampments, some are still used by Bedouins and Druse for this purpose today. In Europe and North America they are companion dogs and compete in dog sports such as conformation, agility, and obedience."

http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/canaan-dog#/slide/1

THE CANAAN DOG IS THE NATIONAL BREED OF ISRAEL.

Read more at http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/canaan-dog#G0kzOADi95m3kUIw.99

Can you show me that Adam domesticated dogs in the Garden of Eden?
I'm not asking for historical evidence of dogs being domesticated in the Middle East. I'm asking for historical evidence of Adam, and Adam ONLY, domesticating dogs in the Garden of Eden and the Garden of Eden ONLY.

 

[SkyWriting]

Genesis is fairly specific about the order in which god created everything and it doesn't match your analysis in anyway unless you ignore large parts of it and twist out of recognition those parts you haven't ignored.

Actually the "order" differs in two accounts indicating that the order is not the message intended.

 

[Jimmy D]

Actually the "order" differs in two accounts indicating that the order is not the message intended.

I wouldn't argue with that. Joshua would do well to listen to Bruce Lee..... “Its like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.”

 

[joshua 1 9]

Can you show me that Adam domesticated dogs in the Garden of Eden?

http://www.eldrbarry.net/marriage/pets.htm

 

[joshua 1 9]

Actually the "order" differs in two accounts indicating that the order is not the message intended.

If you do not understand the difference between Gen 1 & Gen 2
then you have a long way to go in your understanding of the Bible.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

http://www.eldrbarry.net/marriage/pets.htm

That's a story. That is NOT EVIDENCE.