Are You Convinced?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If you are a Baptist you are a Christian.

Realize that's by definition here.
Not everywhere.

 

[-57]

I try to be. The only way I feel that I can sort it all out is by discussing it with other Christians and prayer.

One of the hardest things to do is not changing the context of a verse to make it fit your point of view.

 

[JM]

Realize that's by definition here.
Not everywhere.

It is assumed that a Baptist is apart of the Christian church...everywhere.

 

[JM]

Many sicologists(sic) would have a heyday with this (in the error of human entanglements though).

Still...... may be something deeper ...... in Christ! Learning Him !
Shalom,
jeff

I'm not into new sciences (sicologists?).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I'm not into new sciences (sicologists?).

Me either.
If it's not from and in line with and in harmony with God's Will and God's Plan and God's Word then we don't need it and shouldn't trust it.

note: (sic) means mis-spelled on purpose, often for legal or other reasons.
Just pronounce it out any which way - 'sick' or 'sike' ...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It is assumed that a Baptist is apart of the Christian church...everywhere.

For someplaces, it is defined that way. Can't change that.
Perhaps you assume that, and/or by your or the churches definition.
But I think that that's almost as dangerous as
when EVERYONE was declared BY LAW "Christian"....... it just didn't work.... (oh, it 'worked' for the power plan of the politicians and other pagan leaders; but NOT for the good of the people).

 

[JM]

But I think that that's almost as dangerous as
when EVERYONE was declared BY LAW "Christian"....... it just didn't work.... (oh, it 'worked' for the power plan of the politicians and other pagan leaders; but NOT for the good of the people).

That's not the manner in which it is being used. I'm not saying every person claiming to be a Baptist is a regenerated, born again, Bible believing Christian. That isn't in view. The use is in reference to a Christian denomination.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

One of the hardest things to do is not changing the context of a verse to make it fit your point of view.

? Why is that hard at all ?
or Who is that hard for ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That's not the manner in which it is being used. I'm not saying every person claiming to be a Baptist is a regenerated, born again, Bible believing Christian. That isn't in view. The use is in reference to a Christian denomination.

Good. No worries then. Love hopes and aims for the best for everyone!

 

[twin1954]

Me either.
If it's not from and in line with and in harmony with God's Will and God's Plan and God's Word then we don't need it and shouldn't trust it.

note: (sic) means mis-spelled on purpose, often for legal or other reasons.
Just pronounce it out any which way - 'sick' or 'sike' ...

I thought that it meant that when quoting another the spelling is left the way the author spelled it.

I checked and here is the definition given:
sic1
sik/
adverb

1. used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original, as in a story must hold a child's interest and “enrich his [ sic ] life.”.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Like a couple other english , hebrew, aramaic, and greek words,
"(sic)" also has long had a couple meanings >
(Often used the last several decades for numerous 'legal' reasons/ 'copyright' / 'lawsuits'/ etc )
ot(sic) wit:
from
online "Websters SINCE 1828"
sic
Definition of sic
1. : intentionally so written —used after a printed word or passage to indicate that it is intended exactly as printed or to indicate that it exactly reproduces an original...

 

[Leevo]

One of the hardest things to do is not changing the context of a verse to make it fit your point of view.

Yep

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

One of the hardest things to do is not changing the context of a verse to make it fit your point of view.

Yep

Why is that hard ?
Or,
who is that hard for ?

 

[Leevo]

Why is that hard ?
Or,
who is that hard for ?

I think one example could be the use of verses John 6 to teach transubstantiation in the Catholic Church. I have to admit though, they make a strong case based upon these scriptures. However Jesus does seem to clarify himself when he says "it is the spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing"

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think one example could be the use of verses John 6 to teach transubstantiation in the Catholic Church. I have to admit though, they make a strong case based upon these scriptures. However Jesus does seem to clarify himself when he says "it is the spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing"

That kind of deception (twisting Jesus Words) is on purpose and is easy, not hard.
Jesus Himself protects His children from that kind of thing every day,
and delivers everyone from it who calls on Him,
simply when they read His Word for themselves, and believe Jesus, and trust Jesus.
So, those who trust Jesus and follow Jesus,
find the TRUTH , like little children who trust their Father,
and Jesus Way , Jesus says even His commandments, are light, and not burdensome ('easy').

So, both twisting Jesus words, and learning the Truth, are easy.... it's a matter of choice which one a person will do.
Then, what is hard, is if someone trusts in anyone who has twisted Jesus' words,
for them to ever learn the truth. (since they trusted in a lie).
Perhaps this is what 57 meant to say...

 

[-57]

Why is that hard ?
Or,
who is that hard for ?

One example would be when people pull this verse out of context...

Matt 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

 

[-57]

? Why is that hard at all ?
or Who is that hard for ?

Another example would be trying to make the bible not contradict with evolutionism.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Another example would be trying to make the bible not contradict with evolutionism.

That's a good example of a bad example.
No one in the Bible believed in evolutionism except hasatan(who taught man about the idea).
The author of the Bible can handle it (them deceived, and liars) though,
and He is.

 

[twin1954]

First: Either you believe that Bible is the Word of God or you do not. There is no middle ground. We cannot pick and choose what we will believe or what we will not. It is all or nothing.

Second: Either you believe that the Baptist Distinctives are according to the Word of God or you do not. If you do not then you are not a Baptist. Again there is no middle ground. These are what make Baptists distinct among all other denominations.

Third: It is impossible for just anyone to grasp the truths of the Scriptures. God has called and equipped men to preach and teach those things that are only spiritually discerned in the Scriptures. Many heresies occur when men think that they can understand the Scriptures by themselves. The Pharisees had more knowledge of the Scriptures than anyone yet missed Christ because of their understanding. The Scriptures are Spiritually discerned and not for individual opinion. That is one of the many faults of the so-called Bible studies today. Everyone is asked what their opinion is of a passage of Scripture and then left to assume that their opinion is the correct one. That in no way means that those men who go to a seminary are actually equipped to know the truth of the Scriptures. Only those who are truly called and taught by the Spirit are His true preachers. We know them by what they preach. They all preach Christ in all His glorious Person and work.

Fourth: All those who are called of God and put in the ministry are simple servants of Christ and His people. They feed the flock over which they have been placed, guard them from heresies and false doctrine and seek to always point them to Christ alone by the Gospel. They never point men to themselves for anything nor do they beg money. They live as examples of faith before those over whom they have been placed and simply trust in the Lord to do all that is necessary to build His church.


Fifth: The church is not a business to be ran or a place in which we seek to build the church. Christ alone will build His church and we wait on Him to add daily such as should be saved. Pastors are not CEO's or at the beck and call of the folks in the church. They are ministers of God's Word and under no authority but Christ. They are neither hired or fired. They are called and placed by Christ to minister where He places them. They do not send our resumes or seek a job as pastors but wait on the Lord to call them to His appointed place.

 

[Sola1517]

Do you know what a Baptist believes about scripture and are you convinced? If so, why do you use "Christian" or "Non-Denominational" as your "Faith?" Are you really not a Baptist and just thought you'd drop in and post?

Thanks,
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jm

I got to church and work at a Baptist Church.

If you are a Baptist you are a Christian.

I've asked before in a thread titled "Is this a Baptist Forum?" because so many denominations are allowed to post here it's ridiculous.

Maybe they have an opinion on Baptist beliefs and practices, or they might have a question about it.