The problem of evil

[Hikarifuru]

I guess we are all psychopaths then. That definition includes every single person who has ever lived at one point or another.

No we aren't all psychopaths... you wouldn't hurt people just because god said I wouldn't either. Neither of us would think something is right just because someone said so. I'm just saying that who god is not relevant.

Resorting to insults and derogatory labeling again. Classy.

Saying that argument is psychopathic etc is not insulting you.

Wow, what an absurd hypothetical situation. Don't worry, it will never happen. I don't know what God you're talking about, but it's not "my God."

On the other hand, people choose to rape other people all the time. But, once again, if morality is entirely subjective, then all they need to say is that it felt right to them, and if it did, they did nothing wrong.

I guess you haven't read the story of God punishing David with having his wives raped and God sending rapists to destroy the babylonians in Isaiah 13? The bible specifically says your god does this.

There you go again claiming that my position is that those things are possibly ok.... wrong. My position is that humans arrive at their moral systems based on their feelings, my moral system says all those things are wrong.

 

[amariselle]

Saying that your belief is illogical is not an attack... The only reason we started talking about science is because you asked me why humans with subjective morality would care about things like guilt and forgiveness and I said its because of evolutionary biology and then you claimed that science wasn't valid... then we said it was and that we have no reason to believe in an illogical god and your response has only been attempts to claim that our beliefs aren't logical either... as if that would somehow make an illogical being logical.

Ha ha, way to twist my words.

Also, how do you know God is "illogical"? Science can neither prove nor disprove His existence. The best it can say is, "I don't know."

 

[Hikarifuru]

If that is what you think, you are reading into what I have been saying things I NEVER said.

I could just as easily make the same accusations against you. But explaining your viewpoint does not mean that you are demanding that someone else agree with you.

I have never once demanded that you believe in God, not once.

But you have been insisting that we accept that we're illogical like your belief that you aren't attempting to show is logical.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Ha ha, way to twist my words.

Also, how do you know God is "illogical"? Science can neither prove nor disprove His existence. The best it can say is, "I don't know."

Because like you said, it has to exist outside of science and logic. You said that earlier.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Ha ha, way to twist my words.

Also, how do you know God is "illogical"? Science can neither prove nor disprove His existence. The best it can say is, "I don't know."

Actually I said I don't know how I exist... we know that a god that can exist by itself, can do anything, has always existed and had no beginning and for no reason isn't logical.

But we're just repeating ourselves at this point and I'm getting tired, so I'm done talking about this.

 

[bhsmte]

The answer is you don't know . Or else you would be able to provide proof that will establish this fact without any room for doubt.

Hilarious.

Can you produce evidence, that I was not visited by aliens last night and they showed me how they created the universe and confirmed to me there was no God?

Here is the moral of the story, when you need to ask someone else to prove a negative, desperation has set in.

 

[bhsmte]

You mean, you don't know?

I don't know what you call "true science" no.

You brought it up, can you answer the question?

 

[bhsmte]

Ditto.

Still waiting for you to support your claim.

 

[bhsmte]

If you don't know with absolute certainty how life originated, and you can't provide evidence for questions asked of you, maybe this part of the forum isn't for you. Isn't that just what you told me?

When I don't know something, should I lie and make something up?

Is there something wrong with admitting you don't know something?

 

[bhsmte]

Actually I don't take it for granted, I put it in proper perspective. But thanks for telling me what I do or don't take for granted in life. I'm glad to hear you know me so well.

Let me give you an example. If you deny the theory of evolution, you take it for granted every time you visit a doctor and they treat you with medical science that is based on the theory of evolution.

Ever had a vaccination? Ever had a flu shot? Ever had antibiotics for an illness?

Next time you go to the doctor, ask them about the theory of evolution and how it is impacted medicine. Then, close your ears, because you won't like the answer.

 

[bhsmte]

Why should you accept what scientists claim either then?

Evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

No, it is a fact that science does not have all of the answers it claims to have.

Demonstrate this fact.

 

[bhsmte]

I am not talking about its root meaning, I am talking about the field of study and what science actually IS and what it DOES.

Explain what science is and what science does, according to you.

 

[bhsmte]

No, defending your own particular beliefs when they are being attacked is not demanding that others believe as you do.

If you interpret such defense of our beliefs as demands, then you are reading into the situation things that were never said.

Nobody is demanding you to believe anything.

What others are asking (which will happen when you make claims in this area of the forum) is for you to provide support for your claims.

So far, you have provided none.

 

[bhsmte]

May be you too, some people have eyes but they can't see, have ears but they can't hear

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And how do you determine and label these people who have eyes and can not see and ears but can not hear?

Would it have anything to do with them disagreeing with your religious beliefs?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I don't care what the article says, I care what the Bible says.

 

[amariselle]

But you have been insisting that we accept that we're illogical like your belief that you aren't attempting to show is logical.

Really? Okay, show me where I said that you need to accept that you're illogical.

 

[amariselle]

Ha ha....

 

[amariselle]

Still waiting for you to support your claim.

Likewise

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Ha ha....

That's not at all funny.