The fine tuning of the universe.

[HitchSlap]

I most certainly believe that considering the denial I am seeing here.

What am I denying, exactly? The fact that you're trying reeeeeally hard to convince us that that all these smart guys think there's an intelligent designer?
To what end? So you can feel better about your personal religious views, I suspect.

 

[Oncedeceived]

What am I denying, exactly? The fact that you're trying reeeeeally hard to convince us that that all these smart guys think there's an intelligent designer?
To what end? So you can feel better about your personal religious views, I suspect.

You are so focused on that part of the thread that you are denying all of it. Are you afraid of what a fine tuned universe might mean?

 

[HitchSlap]

You are so focused on that part of the thread that you are denying all of it. Are you afraid of what a fine tuned universe might mean?

I'm not "afraid" of anything... lol.
The world is as we find it, and I have the courage to accept whatever the evidence suggests, without resorting to wish-thinking.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I'm not "afraid" of anything... lol.
The world is as we find it, and I have the courage to accept whatever the evidence suggests, without resorting to wish-thinking.

Yet, you are denying what scientists say about the fine tuning of the universe. That looks a lot like wishful thinking.

 

[HitchSlap]

Yet, you are denying what scientists say about the fine tuning of the universe. That looks a lot like wishful thinking.

See there you go again, playing fast and loose with the facts to support your banal assertions. I'm not denying anything these scientists say, I'm denying your assertions that they mean anything more than they intended them to be.
Your behavior is why real scientists tend to not trust creationists, as they have a penchant for lying for Jesus. It gets old.

 

[Oncedeceived]

See there you go again, playing fast and loose with the facts to support your banal assertions. I'm not denying anything these scientists say, I'm denying your assertions that they mean anything more than they intended them to be.
Your behavior is why real scientists tend to not trust creationists, as they have a penchant for lying for Jesus. It gets old.

What facts were being played fast and loose? lol What am I lying about?

 

[HitchSlap]

What facts were being played fast and loose? lol What am I lying about?

sigh... you stated I was "denying what scientists say."

Are you even aware you do this?

 

[Oncedeceived]

sigh... you stated I was "denying what scientists say."

Are you even aware you do this?

You have been arguing about what I've presented scientifically for fine tuning, what else would I think?

 

[HitchSlap]

You have been arguing about what I've presented scientifically for fine tuning, what else would I think?

LOL... 9/10 troll level!

 

[Oncedeceived]

LOL... 9/10 troll level!

Does this type of thing make you feel superior in some twisted way?

 

[HitchSlap]

Does this type of thing make you feel superior in some twisted way?

I'm not sure what else to make of it. Either A) you're trolling (i.e. telling me I'm denying what scientists say), or B) you're delusional, and think you're actually interacting in an honest way.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I'm not sure what else to make of it. Either A) you're trolling (i.e. telling me I'm denying what scientists say), or B) you're delusional, and think you're actually interacting in an honest way.

Ok Hitch. If you wish to discuss the topic of the thread in a rational way without making unfounded accusations against me I will try to discuss this with you, otherwise if you just want to make personal jabs at me then I am done with that.

 

[HitchSlap]

Ok Hitch. If you wish to discuss the topic of the thread in a rational way without making unfounded accusations against me I will try to discuss this with you, otherwise if you just want to make personal jabs at me then I am done with that.

For starters, you should stop telling me, Airpo, and others that we're denying what the scientists say. Secondly, you could actually acknowledge that you're intentionally giving the impression that scientists somehow mean more than they really do when they talk about "fine tuning."

If you're willing to back off and be real for a moment, you might find the discussion to be a bit smoother.

 

[Oncedeceived]

For starters, you should stop telling me, Airpo, and others that we're denying what the scientists say. Secondly, you could actually acknowledge that you're intentionally giving the impression that scientists somehow mean more than they really do when they talk about "fine tuning."

If you're willing to back off and be real for a moment, you might find the discussion to be a bit smoother.

Airpo clearly said what he thought Fine tuned meant and it was not what scientists call fine tuning. So when someone is wrong they are wrong. Since you have done nothing but argue against fine tuning, it is not surprising that I would think you deny its reality. I have not in anyway implied or claimed something that the scientists themselves have not themselves claimed. You are unable to show any examples of me doing so, and actually refused to do so knowing full well I had not. So I repeat: I will be more than willing to continue our dialog if you want to discuss the topic at hand and stop making unfounded accusations and personal jabs. Otherwise our conversation is over.

 

[HitchSlap]

Airpo clearly said what he thought Fine tuned meant and it was not what scientists call fine tuning. So when someone is wrong they are wrong. Since you have done nothing but argue against fine tuning, it is not surprising that I would think you deny its reality. I have not in anyway implied or claimed something that the scientists themselves have not themselves claimed. You are unable to show any examples of me doing so, and actually refused to do so knowing full well I had not. So I repeat: I will be more than willing to continue our dialog if you want to discuss the topic at hand and stop making unfounded accusations and personal jabs. Otherwise our conversation is over.

Lol. Enjoy your conversation with yourself, then.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Lol. Enjoy your conversation with yourself, then.

Have it your way.

 

[HitchSlap]

Have it your way.

 

[bhsmte]

You're deliberately misrepresenting what these scientists assert and believe.

Everyone here has called you on it, but in typical Once fashion, you double down and keep pushing that Trojan horse forward.

It's like watching the same episode of Gilligan's Island for the 35th time.

 

[HitchSlap]

It's like watching the same episode of Gilligan's Island for the 35th time.

Exactly!
The script never changes and you know exactly how it ends.

 

[AirPo]

So when someone is wrong they are wrong.

Take your own advice.