The fine tuning of the universe.

[Oncedeceived]

Nope.

Of course not because there are none and you know it.

 

[AirPo]

Now this to me is saying that you deny that the universe is fine tuned even though the consensus among scientists in the field claim it is. Why do you deny it?

The universe to come into existence needed very precise elements from the very beginning. So explain why you are denying this?

What they mean by "fined tuned" is not what you think it means. You keep erroneously using the word "need." Why are you doing this?

 

[HitchSlap]

Now this to me is saying that you deny that the universe is fine tuned ...

Classic Once response.

Good stuff.

 

[HitchSlap]

Of course not because there are none and you know it.

Except, we all know it.

Carry on.

 

[Oncedeceived]

What they mean by "fined tuned" is not what you think it means. You keep erroneously using the word "need." Why are you doing this?

You tell me what they mean by "fine tuned".

 

[Oncedeceived]

Except, we all know it.

Carry on.

Right, although you can't back it up with actual facts.

 

[HitchSlap]

You tell me what they mean by "fine tuned".

They mean "Goddidit," of course.

Lol.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Classic Once response.

Good stuff.

Hitch what this is saying to me and perhaps even to those that use rational argumentation rather than ad hominem arguments, is you have nothing to bring forward that counters what is being presented so you have to resort to this type of tactic to distract and muddy the conversation.

 

[Oncedeceived]

They mean "Goddidit," of course.

Lol.

Provide one time I ever claimed that the scientists that I have quoted or presented in any of my arguments that scientists mean "Goddidit". Again, you will have NOTHING. This is really sad actually.

 

[HitchSlap]

Right, although you can't back it up with actual facts.

Read any of your posts where you insinuate these scientists are flummoxed, and that they mean anything more than amused or credulous of the cdesign proponentsists claims of goddidit.

 

[AirPo]

You tell me what they mean by "fine tuned".

Basically that the universe is a very complex system that works.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Read any of your posts where you insinuate these scientists are flummoxed, and that they mean anything more than amused or credulous of the cdesign proponentsists claims of goddidit.

Actually that is not necessarily true. There are scientists that while not believers themselves think it is a valid argument, just not one they personally believe.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Basically that the universe is a very complex system that works.

Then you are misrepresenting what they are saying and not me.

 

[AirPo]

Then you are misrepresenting what they are saying and not me.

 

[HitchSlap]

Then you are misrepresenting what they are saying and not me.

I agree with AirPo. It's you who are flagrantly misrepresenting what they say to feed your own ego.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I agree with AirPo. It's you who are flagrantly misrepresenting what they say to feed your own ego.

This is just such a bizarre thing to say. What would it all have to do with my ego?

 

[HitchSlap]

This is just such a bizarre thing to say. What would it all have to do with my ego?

What other reason would one have to misrepresent another's position, if not to serve their own needs. If I were to venture a guess, looking for "scientific" evidence to bolster your religious views. Perhaps you think that if you can convince yourself that all these really smart individuals actually believed as you make them out to, then your beliefs are justified? But I'm just an armchair psychologist, what do I know.

 

[Oncedeceived]

What other reason would one have to misrepresent another's position, if not to serve their own needs. If I were to venture a guess, looking for "scientific" evidence to bolster your religious views. Perhaps you think that if you can convince yourself that all these really smart individuals actually believed as you make them out to, then your beliefs are justified? But I'm just an armchair psychologist, what do I know.

Well you get what you pay for so..... $0.00

There are some very intelligent individuals who do believe as I do, they however, are not the ones that I have used in my argument.

 

[HitchSlap]

Well you get what you pay for so..... $0.00

There are some very intelligent individuals who do believe as I do, they however, are not the ones that I have used in my argument.

Even intelligent people aren't immune to confirmation bias.
Listen to any neurocog. scientist, and they'll tell you the brain is very good at some things, and very bad at many things, and chief on the list is our ability to fool ourselves.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Even intelligent people aren't immune to confirmation bias.
Listen to any neurocog. scientist, and they'll tell you the brain is very good at some things, and very bad at many things, and chief on the list is our ability to fool ourselves.

I most certainly believe that considering the denial I am seeing here.