Christian Nudists

[Dave-W]

Wouldn't that be "dress poker"?

You ain't gonna see me in a dress!

 

[D2wing]

Do not get this--I know it feels good when I'm alone and it's hot--but that's it! Even if I looked like Sophia Loren at her very best--nope. Soooo, did a word search--there are many, many verses these are just a few. It is not looked upon with kindness by God. In Leviticus, there are many, many verses. First thing Adam and Eve did, when they realized they were naked, was to cover up!---I don't know---I mean, there are certainly far worse things, and it is not one of the 10 commandments, but, come judgment day, and God asks me why I went contrary to these instructions----somehow, "It felt good" doesn't seem like an awfully good defense! If it had been OK with Him, He wouldn't have mentioned not doing it soooo many times, if at all. Plus, that's a part of that unique intimacy between husband and wife, and to be shared with no other. No getting around having to deal with a naked baby, there comes a time when they naturally do not want to be seen naked anymore--it's an invasion of their privacy. There is no one that I want to know that well, outside my husband.



(Gen 3:7) And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

(Gen 9:22) And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
(Gen 9:23) And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

(Exo 20:26) Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

(Exo 32:25) And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies

(Lev 18:6) None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.

(2Ch 28:14) So the armed men left the captives and the spoil before the princes and all the congregation.
(Isa 20:4) so shall the king of Assyria lead away the captives of Egypt, and the exiles of Ethiopia, young and old, naked and barefoot, and with buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.
(Isa 58:7) Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him, and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
(Hab 2:15) Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
(Rom 8:35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
(Rev 3:17) Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

(Rev 16:15) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

(Rev 3:18) I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

This is the truth. A big part of being Holy is being modest and innocent. Another thing is not doing anything that is offensive or embarrassing or shameful. Yes many people like being naked, it can even be exciting. That doesn't make it good. I have been at biker parties where it is common for people to give beads in exchange for seeing private parts. Many don't bother with the beads and strip, mostly females but males too. It is not a pretty sick, it is dirty. That is why it is done. It is dirty and defiant and sinful.
Also if you do around innocents you are corrupting them.
Too be honest, I have accepted beads form women, but at the time I knew I was not being a Christian.
In summary, it is not being a good Christian to be nude around anyone but your wife or if neccesary for good reason as in a medical situation or in a locker room. Even then I am not comfortable with it. I think I speak for Christians in general.
Now if you are a Christian and think is is ok to be nudist I am not your judge. You should judge yourself. If you lack, conscience or modesty or do not believe the word of God, that is up to you. I know it is not right, to me it is not a big deal since I am far from innocent, but to some it is horrible. I would not be nude around anyone not fully adult and consenting. It is clearly wrong around children and minors. If you are a dirty old man or like to be [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ty don't look for justification in the Bible. It is not there. If you don't believe the Bible, I would not like to be in your shoes. Conviction that the Bible is the word of God is part of being a Christian. If you think you are smarter than God and the Phophets again I would not like to be in your shoes.

 

[dayhiker]

Well, D2 ... I do believe the Bible and I don't justify my actions and I do think its good to be nude and love God and not hurt people .. what's more I don't don't think any of those things are contradictory.
As for holiness. The base meaning of holiness is speration. We are separated from the things the world worship and separated to God. That's the way I've lived my life for over 50 decades now. Everyone know knows me knows I'm a Christian and I love God. I've had Jewish people tell me I'm the first true Christian they have ever meet. I've had nonchristians tell me that the way I live my life is the right way to live ones life. So I am separated unto God and the people around me know it.
Then we have 1 Cor.1:30 that tells us that Jesus is our righteousness etc. There is a sense that we can't separate ourself from the world since we are born into this world and life our whole life in this world. So Jesus gives us his righteousness. Indeed, I count on God giving me what I need to life for God.

 

[D2wing]

Ouch, it was my intention to just share my view, not judge you. But I suppose I did. Or rather my words. I do not know what boundaries you set if any and do not want to know. I think boundaries are important as I am a parent. I do not apologize for my opinion as it honest. If you disagree that is up to you. And I do not think the approval of none Christians is a big endorsement because that contradicts what you said about being separate. Is being modest being separate? You do not have to answer to me. I will not agree with you on that matter. I accept that we do not agree. That does not mean I reject you as a Christian. It means little to me, but things like that like drinking, dancing, certain occupations. Those things can be a stumbling block, if not to you or me, to others. I appreciate that you read my opinion and responded. I assume that we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[toramei]

Once again time for a refresher.
Sin is doing something against GOD'S will.Adam and Eve sinned because they took from the tree they were told not to.Because of their disobeying they were escorted out of the Garden of Eden but before GOD made them exit the Garden he gave them something because GOD knew it will get cold and there will be thorns.
Just think if you lived in the arctic circle and had guests staying over when the weather was warm enough to go without a coat but the next day it was very cold outside.Would you let them leave without something to keep them warm? As a concerned host or hostess I do not think you would let them go without protection as GOD did for Adam and Eve.
Some people here on this forum think it is a sin to be naked.GOD created us naked.

So if one has to be clothed at all times then when you have your next surgery tell the doctor to make those cuts under the blanket and remove that cancerous tumor and stitch the same way.
When women are having child birth? Or mammograms,or UTI's.

How can someone get really clean taking a shower clothed?

Simple nudity as being naked in your home with your family when your electricity is off because of a summer storm.When your family is in a rush to get to church you shower together.When you visit the doctor you have your child with you or your grand kids as you have a complete physical being done.Going to a clothing optional beach with your family.

If it is to cold get warm put some clothes on.
If it is to hot take the clothes off.

Yours in CHRIST.

 

[D2wing]

Adam and Eve were created without the knowledge of good and evil. When they ate from the tree they became aware of good and evil and were ashamed of being naked. They made fig leave coverings themselves. God replaced the fig leaves with animal skins. It is amazing how sinner s twist and edit scripture to justify themselves.
I am amazed at how so many do not recognize the importance of modesty, purity and holiness. I don't care much about what you do but I do care about posting lies. That is a much bigger problem I think.

 

[toramei]

Adam and Eve were created without the knowledge of good and evil. When they ate from the tree they became aware of good and evil and were ashamed of being naked. They made fig leave coverings themselves. God replaced the fig leaves with animal skins. It is amazing how sinner s twist and edit scripture to justify themselves.
I am amazed at how so many do not recognize the importance of modesty, purity and holiness. I don't care much about what you do but I do care about posting lies. That is a much bigger problem I think.

So according to your words I am posting lies.Such as GOD created man in his image and saw that it was good.The man was naked.When Adam and Eve ate the fruit their eyes were opened and realized something.That something is that they disobeyed GOD and realized they must do something about that.So they sewed fig leaves and made aprons and covered their genitals and hid.They hid ( like a child would do when they did something wrong )
GOD created Adam and Eve naked and saw that it was good modest,pure and holy.
Where am I twisting the truth? Point it out that I maybe enlightened.
GOD commanded us to love HIM with all our being.Love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[D2wing]

No point in a discussion with a dishonest person. If you cannot see your error and misuse of the word you have serious problems. You need to pray and reexamine the Word. It is your own lusts that deceive you and you know that you have twisted what you first said to say something else. I have said all I have to say.

 

[Darkhorse]

Who has posted lies, and what are they? I haven't noticed any...


God created Adam and Eve naked, and declared His creation "very good";

They were "naked and not ashamed" before the Fall

After Adam and Eve ate the fruit they knew good from evil.

They were "ashamed because they were naked" after they ate the fruit.

So, the implication is that being naked was evil...but was it?

They were already married; is it evil to be naked in the presence of your spouse?

No other people existed yet.

They made fig-leaf clothes because they were ashamed, but God replaced these with animal-skin clothes.

Why?

Because they were to be expelled from Eden, into a cold, dangerous world of "thorns and thistles"

Fig leaves are not good protection against these hazards. They didn't know that. God did.

Nowhere did God tell them to wear clothes; that was their idea.

Nowhere in the entire Bible does God say "Thou shalt not be naked", or anything similar.


Paul did say "dress modestly", but his emphasis was on "modestly", not on dress;

He contrasts "modesty" with braided hair, gold jewelry, expensive clothes, etc., not with uncovered skin.

What could be more humble than nudity?

 

[E-LO]

THIS!!! Right here.... Amazing.

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

Can anyone give me a verse that opposes social naturism ( which is family friendly btw ) , cause I dont find one in the Holy Scriptures .

 

[toramei]

No point in a discussion with a dishonest person. If you cannot see your error and misuse of the word you have serious problems. You need to pray and reexamine the Word. It is your own lusts that deceive you and you know that you have twisted what you first said to say something else. I have said all I have to say.

Once again I ask you where have I twisted the truth? As far as being lustful I have been married to my wife for forty wonderful blessed years.Where am I dishonest?
I see that you want me to reexamine the Word of GOD.Well then let us do it.
Do you agree that GOD created Adam and Eve modest pure and holy and saw that it was good?
Do you agree that Adam and Eve disobeyed the LORD?
Do you agree that Adam and Eve made a judgement call and took action upon themselves without talking to GOD?
Who's place is to judge? Certainly not us.
Heavenly Father help us to better understand your will for our lives.You created us naked and saw that it was good.HOLY SPIRIT help us to understand the Holy Scriptures.
Dear LORD many want to condemn us for simple nudity on hot days.Dear LORD I want to thank you for my wife in our forty years of marriage and our children and grand children and great grandchildren.
This little light of mine I am going to let it shine.
For in your SON'S name we pray.Amen

 

[dayhiker]

Hi D2,
I'm with you on posting our opinions, points of view and experiences. Those are all welcomed here. I also notice that you haven't posted that many posts yet.
I find it can take a few hundred to a couple thousand posts to learn how to express ones opinion without getting words of judgement into our posts. That seems to go for everyone.
Some even then don't figure it out. The main thing to learn is to talk with I statements. We learn to speak different from the preaching we here that is meant to lean
to conviction and get people to the alter. For the most part here we aren't preaching, we are sharing our personal love with God. Then we pray the Holy Spirit
will speak to people according to what God wants to do in their life.

I also see boundaries a so important in loving God and people. That's why none of us would walk around our town naked. We go to places where its acceptable to be naked.
Like clothing optional beaches or naturalist resorts.
I see you as a brother in Christ as well. I know its not comfortable to get jumped on the way you were. We haven't learned not to do that yet.

Ouch, it was my intention to just share my view, not judge you. But I suppose I did. Or rather my words. I do not know what boundaries you set if any and do not want to know. I think boundaries are important as I am a parent. I do not apologize for my opinion as it honest. If you disagree that is up to you. And I do not think the approval of none Christians is a big endorsement because that contradicts what you said about being separate. Is being modest being separate? You do not have to answer to me. I will not agree with you on that matter. I accept that we do not agree. That does not mean I reject you as a Christian. It means little to me, but things like that like drinking, dancing, certain occupations. Those things can be a stumbling block, if not to you or me, to others. I appreciate that you read my opinion and responded. I assume that we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Grandpa4]

Adam and Eve were created without the knowledge of good and evil. When they ate from the tree they became aware of good and evil and were ashamed of being naked. They made fig leave coverings themselves. God replaced the fig leaves with animal skins. It is amazing how sinner s twist and edit scripture to justify themselves.
I am amazed at how so many do not recognize the importance of modesty, purity and holiness. I don't care much about what you do but I do care about posting lies. That is a much bigger problem I think.

I do not believe it was their bodies the were ashamed of as much s they were ashamed of their sin of disobedience when they ate of the forbidden fruit. I also believe that they covered themselves with leaves in a feeble effort to hide from God among the foliage. God's question was not "Why are you naked?" It was "Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" God's concern was that they had eaten of the forbidden fruit--not that they were naked. Also, He clothed them with the skins not because He was suddenly ashamed of or offended by their nakedness, but because He was casting hem out of a perfect environment into a harsh, cruel world He had just cursed with thorns and other hazards to the body. He didn't command them to always be covered after that.

 

[D2wing]

In response, I called you dishonest and in error because you misquote scripture. And you claim it says something it does not say. Also I disagree about the second part. Also the pretty clear meaning is that they became aware that they were naked and were ashamed. It says nothing about protection. Also the rest of the Bible has many references that the shame of being naked. To infer that the Bible says it is ok to be in front of others contradicts the rest of the Bible. Now if you are truely Christian I would expect you to examine the Scripture, pray and be honest with God. I don't care if you agree with me. I am stating my opinion.
Also I think I am right. The number of posts has no bearing on the truth. I notice that this forum is full of non Christians as in self professed atheists and people of questionable doctrine. I am not looking for consensus, or approval. I am expressing my honest opinion as a Christian. If I am not welcome that is fine with me. I have been banned before. If the Word of God sounds judgemental to you so be it. It is not my intention to judge you, just point out what I see as Scriptural errors. It is hard for me to accept that Christians do not respect the Bible as written. To misquote or spin the scriptures to suit private ideas is wrong in my book.
I would not say these things if I did not care about your spiritual health.
Again, the issue is not nudity but distorting scripture and unsound doctrine.

 

[dayhiker]

I think D2 that each of us hear also respect your right to your view of the Bible.
I know that I've looked at ever verse in the Bible that speaks of nudity. I agree that nudity and shame are often in the same verse or paragraph.
But I see none of those referring to a person being ashamed just for being naked. They are ashamed because of sin or because they didn't have the strength to
protect their family from the disgrace that came with foreign invasions. If you have followed the way ISIS has treated the women they have captured then you
can understand that.

 

[D2wing]

I have no idea how you can read the scriptures and come to those bizarre conclusions but that is your deal. I have said my peace. You are wrong and that is it. No more responses. Nothing left to discuss.

 

[dayhiker]

Gee, you could have picked a scripture and showed your interpretation of it!

 

[D2wing]

Glad you mentioned it.
The correct way to interpret scripture is don't.
The Bible means what it says and says what it means.
What you need to know is written plainly.
Mark Twain said something so profound that bears sharing. " It's not the parts of the Bible I don't understand that bother me, it's the parts I do.
The best way to study the Bible is carefully and prayerfully each day. Do it with an open mind and heart and ask God to show you the truth. Once in awhile the profound truth of something will just hit you.
God says he is the rewarded of those that diligently seek him.
The pure in Heart will see the Kingdom of God.
He also said For those that love not the truth, I will send a strong lie.
Another thIng he said is men are deceived of their own lust.
Now I have been in the world enough to know that nakedness is shameful, my words would be nasty. I also have been studying the Scripture for many years. Oh and I have been a great sinner as well, I know all about nasty. Don't try to bs me like you have bs'd yourself.
I warn you against making more snide remarks for your sake.
But do what you will. It is up to you. Remember life is just a test.
I am only responsible to tell what I am pretty sure is right, after that any decisions you make or what you think of me is on you. I hope you receive this as friendly advice from a brother.

 

[D2wing]

I do not believe it was their bodies the were ashamed of as much s they were ashamed of their sin of disobedience when they ate of the forbidden fruit. I also believe that they covered themselves with leaves in a feeble effort to hide from God among the foliage. God's question was not "Why are you naked?" It was "Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" God's concern was that they had eaten of the forbidden fruit--not that they were naked. Also, He clothed them with the skins not because He was suddenly ashamed of or offended by their nakedness, but because He was casting hem out of a perfect environment into a harsh, cruel world He had just cursed with thorns and other hazards to the body. He didn't command them to always be covered after that.

I would like to point out that the weather did not change or conditions before that came up. After they ate of the fruit they were clearly ashamed of their nakedness because they knew suddenly that it was shameful. There is no mention of weather or any other explanation except they became aware of good and evil. You explaination is pretty silly and clearly the Bible doen't say what you say it says, nor does it inference anything else, furthermore it is consistent with the laws, and all the other page ages that deal with nakedness. You might bs yourself be I am irritated that you thing I am that dumb.