Genesis, how are women supposed to be treated?

[aiki]

Just so you know. Paul did not write 1 Timothy. Not 2 Timothy or Titus either.

Just so you know: This is hardly a settled matter. I think the evidence pretty solidly establishes Paul as the author of both 1 and 2 Timothy.

Selah.

 

[Hoghead1]

Just so you know: This is hardly a settled matter. I think the evidence pretty solidly establishes Paul as the author of both 1 and 2 Timothy.

Selah.

Well, Aiki, you better have some strong evidence to provide here. I think the evidence shows Paul didn't write these. One major reason is that the literary style, use of clauses,etc., is very different from the genuine Paulines.

 

[aiki]

Well, I sympathize with womens lib. So I don't agree with a thing you have to say. It just reflects the myths chauvinists have about women.

I'm don't mean to be rude, but it matters not at all to me whether or not you agree with me. I have shared a biblical perspective on women, which, given your obvious liberal bias, you would describe as chauvinistic and mythological. I expect nothing else from people of your sort.

Selah.

 

[ScottA]

Well, I sympathize with womens lib. So I don't agree with a thing you have to say. It just reflects the myths chauvinists have about women.

I am not a chauvinist, but there is an obvious difference between men and women and a purpose which is God's and not that of men. Are you saying that it all should be ignored or marginalized, or that men are taking advantage? Because, if they can or do...then it cannot be said that they are equal.

We should be looking at God's part in gender...not that of men and women, as quarreling children.

 

[Hoghead1]

I'm don't mean to be rude, but it matters not at all to me whether or not you agree with me. I have shared a biblical perspective on women, which, given your obvious liberal bias, you would describe as chauvinistic and mythological. I expect nothing else from people of your sort.

Selah.

That makes tow of us. I expect thong else from people of your sort, either.

 

[Hoghead1]

I am not a chauvinist, but there is an obvious difference between men and women and a purpose which is God's and not that of men. Are you saying that it all should be ignored or marginalized, or that men are taking advantage? Because, if they can or do...then it cannot be said that they are equal.

We should be looking at God's part in gender...not that of men and women, as quarreling children.

Yes, I find that these "differences" are often grossly exaggerated to depict the woman as somehow inferior. God's purpose with women was definitely not to make them inferior to men.

 

[JackRT]

I'm don't mean to be rude, but it matters not at all to me whether or not you agree with me. I have shared a biblical perspective on women, which, given your obvious liberal bias, you would describe as chauvinistic and mythological. I expect nothing else from people of your sort.

Selah.

I think that Jesus himself had a very obvious liberal bias.

 

[ScottA]

Yes, I find that these "differences" are often grossly exaggerated to depict the woman as somehow inferior. God's purpose with women was definitely not to make them inferior to men.

That is true in and of ourselves as people, but as children of God created in His image for His purpose, we do have roles to play: In His image, men depict God, and women depict humanity. We were taken out of God, just as the creation story tells of Eve being taken out of Adam. We are now the bride in waiting - and so our roles are to depict God as the Groom and the bride. This is the reason that men are placed above women in the church, and that women are to even be silent - so that we depict that every word is from God and not from men. This is our service. We are a light upon a hill - but if we elevate women as being equal to men, our role is of no service to God, and our light is darkness - of which we have been warned not to do.

 

[aiki]

I think that Jesus himself had a very obvious liberal bias.

Well, you would say that, wouldn't you, being of a liberal bent yourself. Jesus couldn't possibly disagree with what you think, right?

Selah.

 

[Hoghead1]

That is true in and of ourselves as people, but as children of God created in His image for His purpose, we do have roles to play: In His image, men depict God, and women depict humanity. We were taken out of God, just as the creation story tells of Eve being taken out of Adam. We are now the bride in waiting - and so our roles are to depict God as the Groom and the bride. This is the reason that men are placed above women in the church, and that women are to even be silent - so that we depict that every word is from God and not from men. This is our service. We are a light upon a hill - but if we elevate women as being equal to men, our role is of no service to God, and our light is darkness - of which we have been warned not to do.

No, no. I don't think the Bible should be abused as an excuse to deny women equal rights.

 

[Hoghead1]

I think that Jesus himself had a very obvious liberal bias.

I agree. He definitely did respect women.

 

[ScottA]

No, no. I don't think the Bible should be abused as an excuse to deny women equal rights.

You have explained your own feelings on equality...but what about what is right by God? I would never suggest or agree with the idea of using the scriptures as a licence for abuse, but God has assigned us roles that depict Lordship...not equality. Do you mean to say that you feel it more important to respect women that to respect God? And what light are we set upon a hill, if we show something other than a marriage relationship that depicts God's own marriage with us? Who do we serve?

 

[Hoghead1]

You have explained your own feelings on equality...but what about what is right by God? I would never suggest or agree with the idea of using the scriptures as a licence for abuse, but God has assigned us roles that depict Lordship...not equality. Do you mean to say that you feel it more important to respect women that to respect God? And what light are we set upon a hill, if we show something other than a marriage relationship that depicts God's own marriage with us? Who do we serve?

I realize that Scripture assigns males the superior role. I do hot agree, however, that is really what God wants. I don not hold with an inerrant Scripture. Divinely inspired as it may be, Scripture is still the product of a chauvinist culture, written by males. Believe, me, if women had written Scripture , it would be a very different story. You have to remember there are many laws attributed to God, in Scripture that we would find abhorrent to hold with. Do you follow any of the dietary laws? Are you going to permit slavery by the excuse the OT sanctifies it, as we find in Exod. 21?

 

[ScottA]

I realize that Scripture assigns males the superior role. I do hot agree, however, that is really what God wants. I don not hold with an inerrant Scripture. Divinely inspired as it may be, Scripture is still the product of a chauvinist culture, written by males. Believe, me, if women had written Scripture , it would be a very different story. You have to remember there are many laws attributed to God, in Scripture that we would find abhorrent to hold with. Do you follow any of the dietary laws? Are you going to permit slavery by the excuse the OT sanctifies it, as we find in Exod. 21?

There you go again, not giving God credit for having providence over His word.

So...what then...do you not even believe that God is male?

 

[hedrick]

There you go again, not giving God credit for having providence over His word.

So...what then...do you not even believe that God is male?

I honestly can't tell whether this post is serious or sarcastic. You seem to favor traditional gender roles, but the last sentence is sufficiently over the top that it makes your post look satirical.

 

[aiki]

I realize that Scripture assigns males the superior role. I do hot agree, however, that is really what God wants.

And how, exactly, do you know what God wants if the Bible is ruled out as untrustworthy?

Divinely inspired as it may be, Scripture is still the product of a chauvinist culture, written by males.

Well, which is it now: a divinely-inspired text or a product of chauvinist cultures? They seem rather contrary to me. And how do you decide what is divinely-inspired and what is not? As soon as you make yourself, or some other human agent, the final arbiter of what parts of the Bible are and aren't divinely-inspired, the Bible is emptied of its authority, becoming nothing more than a mirror of the social and moral preferences of the people and times in which it is read.

Believe, me, if women had written Scripture , it would be a very different story.

And it would be different still if adolescents had written it, or children. God, however, is the Author of Scripture, not men, women or children.

You have to remember there are many laws attributed to God, in Scripture that we would find abhorrent to hold with. Do you follow any of the dietary laws?

Sinners often find the ways and commands of a holy, sovereign God abhorrent. And it is a gross misapplication of Old Testament scripture to ask a New Covenant believer if he adheres to laws of separation given solely to the Chosen People of God, the Israelites.

Are you going to permit slavery by the excuse the OT sanctifies it, as we find in Exod. 21?

Is-Ought fallacy.

Selah.

 

[ScottA]

I honestly can't tell whether this post is serious or sarcastic. You seem to favor traditional gender roles, but the last sentence is sufficiently over the top that it makes your post look satirical.

Yeah, it's the last line of several indicating an emotional departure from scripture (seriously).

 

[Hoghead1]

And how, exactly, do you know what God wants if the Bible is ruled out as untrustworthy?



Well, which is it now: a divinely-inspired text or a product of chauvinist cultures? They seem rather contrary to me. And how do you decide what is divinely-inspired and what is not? As soon as you make yourself, or some other human agent, the final arbiter of what parts of the Bible are and aren't divinely-inspired, the Bible is emptied of its authority, becoming nothing more than a mirror of the social and moral preferences of the people and times in which it is read.



And it would be different still if adolescents had written it, or children. God, however, is the Author of Scripture, not men, women or children.



Sinners often find the ways and commands of a holy, sovereign God abhorrent. And it is a gross misapplication of Old Testament scripture to ask a New Covenant believer if he adheres to laws of separation given solely to the Chosen People of God, the Israelites.



Is-Ought fallacy.

Selah.

Again, let me ask you if you follow all the OT rules? And don't give some evasive answer this time. Do you or do u not fallow absolutely all of them?