LDS "There are save two churches only..."

[Jane_Doe]

Jesus never knew anyone who refused to repent.

Actually many people knew Jesus but refused to repent. Example A: the Pharisees.

 

[fatboys]

Name of said priesthood and evidence that Adam down through Aaron had it?

What priesthood do you think they had? Abraham paid tithes to the king of Salem. A man who was so righteous that the higher priesthood which called the The Holy Priesthood after the order of the Son. This priesthood was given to all of worthy children of Abraham which is how Moses received this priesthood at the hands of his father in law Jethro who was a midianite. The higher priesthood was the only priesthood on the earth until the time of Moses in which Israel was not able to live the higher law or work within the higher priesthood so the lower part of the higher priesthood was separated and called the aaronic priesthood

 

[Peter1000]

Mercy can't be conditional. We can't earn it.

He that believeth not shall be damned. See John Chapter Three.

Are you referring to John 3:15? You have to notice that this scripture sets 1 condition, 1)believe in him. If you don't, no mercy, am I right?

Now in Mark 16:16, Jesus sets a second condition. The 2 conditions are: 1)believe in him, 2)get baptized. If you don't believe in him, you will not get baptised, so you will be damned. No mercy.

The question is: which scripture is the true gospel of Jesus Christ? Does Mark 16:16 trump John 3:15? I would say it does because it sets a second condition that John does not. Or does John 3:15 trump Mark 16:16 because John is more respected than Mark.

Which is it, Mark or John? Let me know what you think.

 

[Rescued One]

Are you referring to John 3:15? You have to notice that this scripture sets 1 condition, 1)believe in him. If you don't, no mercy, am I right?

Now in Mark 16:16, Jesus sets a second condition. The 2 conditions are: 1)believe in him, 2)get baptized. If you don't believe in him, you will not get baptised, so you will be damned. No mercy.

The question is: which scripture is the true gospel of Jesus Christ? Does Mark 16:16 trump John 3:15? I would say it does because it sets a second condition that John does not. Or does John 3:15 trump Mark 16:16 because John is more respected than Mark.

Which is it, Mark or John? Let me know what you think.

He never said, "If you don't get baptized, you will be damned." Mark 16:16 agrees with John 3:36

";but he that believeth not shall be damned." Who shall be damned?

"...he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Who shall not see life?

 

[mmksparbud]

What priesthood do you think they had? Abraham paid tithes to the king of Salem. A man who was so righteous that the higher priesthood which called the The Holy Priesthood after the order of the Son. This priesthood was given to all of worthy children of Abraham which is how Moses received this priesthood at the hands of his father in law Jethro who was a midianite. The higher priesthood was the only priesthood on the earth until the time of Moses in which Israel was not able to live the higher law or work within the higher priesthood so the lower part of the higher priesthood was separated and called the aaronic priesthood

There was no formal Priesthood before the Aaronic priesthood set up by God through Moses. It was not a priesthood set up by Jethro who was the priest of Median---of the Medes (the Medes and Persians) Jethro did not pass the priesthood to Moses--Moses was not a priest. God ordained Aaron and his sons for the priesthood---not Moses.

Exo_3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.

Exo 18:10 And Jethro said, Blessed be the LORD, who hath delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of Pharaoh, who hath delivered the people from under the hand of the Egyptians.
Exo 18:11 Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.
Exo 27:21 In the tabernacle of the congregation without the vail, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the LORD: it shall be a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel.
Exo_28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Exo_29:21 And thou shalt take of the blood that is upon the altar, and of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon the garments of his sons with him: and he shall be hallowed, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

 

[rockytopva]

Where is the fold of Jerusalem, or the fold of Rome, of Antioch, of Alexandria, of Carthage, of Hippo, just to name a few other folds in Jesus's flock. Do you think there are only 7 folds? Not sure what you are saying. Clue us all in, Thanks.

There are seven folds to the flock of the Christ according to Revelation 1-3...

Ephesus - Messianic - Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Paul
Pergamos - Orthodox - Constantine
Thyatira - Catholic - Charlemange
Sardis - Protestant - Martin Luther
Philadelphia - Revived - John Wesley
Laodicea - Charismatic - DL Moody, the first to get rich off ministry.

Well... I can meet that challenge. Remember that a star can be a constellation. In that there are many stars filling that constellation. In the church at Smyrna for example, Foxes book of Martyrs sets the persecutions as ten...

Ye Shall Have Tribulation Ten Days...

67 AD Nero The Smyrna Church Age begins with Nero setting fire to Rome.
81 AD Domitian Declaration that no Christian should be exempt from punishment.
108 AD Trajan and Adrian Severe persecution against Christians from 108 to 138 AD
162 AD Marcos Aurelius commendable in study of philosophy, sharp and fierce towards Christians.
192 AD Severus This persecution was carried out by the will and prejudice of the people and extended into Africa.
235 AD Maximus Numberless Christians were slain without trial and burned indiscriminately in heaps
249 AD Decius Began because of the amazing increase in Christianity, and with the heathen temples forsaken.
257 AD Valerian The martyrs that fell during this persecution were innumerable, their tortures and deaths painful.
274 AD Aurelian A brief persecution that ended with the emperor's assassination.
303 AD Diocletian The last persecution ended with Constantine's triumph against Rome in 313 AD

Where is the fold of Jerusalem, or the fold of Rome, of Antioch, of Alexandria, of Carthage, of Hippo, just to name a few other folds in Jesus's flock.

In the times before Constantine there were only two churches...

Ephesus - Messianic
Smyrna - Martyr

If you were a Christian Jew you were part of the Messianic Ephesian flock, if you were a Christian Gentile you were part of the Smyrnaen Gentile flock.

 

[Rescued One]

In the times before Constantine there were only two churches...

Ephesus - Messianic
Smyrna - Martyr

If you were a Christian Jew you were part of the Messianic Ephesian flock, if you were a Christian Gentile you were part of the Smyrnaen Gentile flock.

The Book of Mormon says there are only two churches:
The Church of the Lamb of God (LDS)
The church of the devil (all of us)

 

[mmksparbud]

The Book of Mormon says there are only two churches:
The Church of the Lamb of God (LDS)
The church of the devil (all of us)

They got that backwards, too!!!

 

[Ironhold]

They got that backwards, too!!!

We're not the ones who got it backwards.

The actual theology is:

Church of the Lamb: everyone who truly believes

Church of the devil: everyone who opposes those who truly believe

It cuts across denominations and religious belief systems.

 

[fatboys]

There was no formal Priesthood before the Aaronic priesthood set up by God through Moses. It was not a priesthood set up by Jethro who was the priest of Median---of the Medes (the Medes and Persians) Jethro did not pass the priesthood to Moses--Moses was not a priest. God ordained Aaron and his sons for the priesthood---not Moses.

Exo_3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.

Exo 18:10 And Jethro said, Blessed be the LORD, who hath delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of Pharaoh, who hath delivered the people from under the hand of the Egyptians.
Exo 18:11 Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.
Exo 27:21 In the tabernacle of the congregation without the vail, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the LORD: it shall be a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel.
Exo_28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Exo_29:21 And thou shalt take of the blood that is upon the altar, and of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon the garments of his sons with him: and he shall be hallowed, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Melchizedek king of Salem.

 

[withwonderingawe]

He never said, "If you don't get baptized, you will be damned." Mark 16:16 agrees with John 3:36

";but he that believeth not shall be damned." Who shall be damned?

"...he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Who shall not see life?

ya know you're going to have to stand before God one day and try and run that passed him.

 

[Rescued One]

We're not the ones who got it backwards.

The actual theology is:

Church of the Lamb: everyone who truly believes

Church of the devil: everyone who opposes those who truly believe

It cuts across denominations and religious belief systems.

No, I spoke to a missionary about this, his companion, and a third Priesthood holder. There are ONLY two churches. If you do not accept and obey the laws and ordinances of the LDS church, you cannot have eternal life (Mormons also refer to eternal life as exaltation). Salvation is ONLY available in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You can kick and scream all you want; the facts of what Mormon scripture says are right there in black and white print in your scriptures!

 

[withwonderingawe]

Name of said priesthood and evidence that Adam down through Aaron had it?

doing so editing here;

Heb 7
what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

The word order means a fix succession, a troop

To offer up the sacrifices one had to be a priest.

Gen 4
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

Now we believe Adam was that priest. God the Father ordained Yahweh/Jesus who ordained Adam.

Gen 8
20 ¶And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Noah would have received it from his father or perhaps his grandfather Methuselah.

Now here's something interesting

Gen 12
7 And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him.
8 And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Beth-el, and pitched his tent, having Beth-el on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the Lord, and called upon the name of the Lord.

This is the first time Abram builds an altar but he does not offer up anything but his prayers. It's not until after he meets with the priest Melchizedek that he begins to offer up burnt offerings. The only one which the Bible mentions is in Gen 22 when he is commanded to offer up Isaac but reading though the lines Isaac seems to know what is going on and asks "but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?" so obviously it wasn't something new to him.

It is believed that Melchizedek was Shem, he was alive and still kicking when Abraham was born. We're not the only ones who believe this it's kind of a common belief.

 

[Rescued One]

ya know you're going to have to stand before God one day and try and run that passed him.

Tell you what, show us the verse that says, "He who is not baptized shall be damned." You can't claim that the Bible says something that it clearly does NOT say.

Psakm 119:11
Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

I believe God will commend me for searching the scriptures just as the Berean Jews did. But I'm an unprofitable servant because I only did what was my duty.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Tell you what, show us the verse that says, "He who is not baptized shall be damned." You can't claim that the Bible says something that it clearly does NOT say.

Psakm 119:11
Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

I believe God will commend me for searching the scriptures just as the Berean Jews did. But I'm an unprofitable servant because I only did what was my duty.

I'm thinking the Lord is going to get a good chuckle out of that answer and then give you a frown

"...wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us.." 1 Peter 3:21

 

[BigDaddy4]

What priesthood do you think they had? Abraham paid tithes to the king of Salem. A man who was so righteous that the higher priesthood which called the The Holy Priesthood after the order of the Son. This priesthood was given to all of worthy children of Abraham which is how Moses received this priesthood at the hands of his father in law Jethro who was a midianite. The higher priesthood was the only priesthood on the earth until the time of Moses in which Israel was not able to live the higher law or work within the higher priesthood so the lower part of the higher priesthood was separated and called the aaronic priesthood

An lds made the statement, you tell me. From Adam down, what was the priesthood that the lds claim existed?

 

[BigDaddy4]

An lds made the statement, you tell me. From Adam down, what was the priesthood that the lds claim existed?

See below for the lds statement:

There were people on the earth who held the priesthood from Adam until now. No time when there was nobody who held the priesthood. Otherwise lucifer and the gates of hell would have prevailed agianst Jesus, the Lamb of God.

 

[Rescued One]

I'm thinking the Lord is going to get a good chuckle out of that answer and then give you a frown

"...wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us.." 1 Peter 3:21

God doesn't laugh at His creation.

Now please show us the verse that says, "He who is not baptized shall be damned."

And, while you're at it, show us how many are saved by being baptized.

 

[mmksparbud]

Melchizedek king of Salem.

Yes I know, I just posted a whole thing on that somewhere!

 

[Rescued One]

It is believed that Melchizedek was Shem, he was alive and still kicking when Abraham was born. We're not the only ones who believe this it's kind of a common belief.

SORRY --- Shem had a father and mother!

Hebrews 7:3
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.