LDS "There are save two churches only..."

[BigDaddy4]

Actually many people knew Jesus but refused to repent. Example A: the Pharisees.

Incorrect. The Pharisees did not "know" Jesus. They knew "of" him.

 

[BigDaddy4]

SORRY --- Shem had a father and mother!

Hebrews 7:3
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Wow, their false doctrine and beliefs never cease to amaze me. Shem is Melchizedek??? Yikes!

 

[fatboys]

Incorrect. The Pharisees did not "know" Jesus. They knew "of" him.

Good grief

 

[Rescued One]

I'm thinking the Lord is going to get a good chuckle out of that answer and then give you a frown

"...wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us.." 1 Peter 3:21

Does the water actually save us? Then we don't need Christ. And Mormons don't need temple marriage.

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


The flood killed a lot of evil people. The eight souls had faith in God and because of that faith they went into the ark.

Ephesians 2:8
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

 

[fatboys]

Does the water actually save us? Then we don't need Christ. And Mormons don't need temple marriage.

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


The flood killed a lot of evil people. The eight souls had faith in God and because of that faith they went into the ark.

Ephesians 2:8
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

How can I say it so you can understand. I'm not sure when you say things if you are serious or just trying to be playing a game. Yes I know you say it's no game but you say you were Mormon and you still come up with questions that person who suppose to have lived and learned the teachings should know the answer to.
Christ is the one that suffered for everyone's transgressions. They are paid for whether or not one believes in Christ or not. In the original church they were asked for a show of committment by first having faith in Jesus Christ. Second the person is asked to repent and change their life by following Jesus by baptism or the symbolic act of putting off the old man and putting on a new man. Then one is eligible to receive the gift of th Holy Ghost by the laying on the hands by those who have the authority to do so. So water alone does not save but the symbolism behind the act does

 

[BigDaddy4]

How can I say it so you can understand. I'm not sure when you say things if you are serious or just trying to be playing a game. Yes I know you say it's no game but you say you were Mormon and you still come up with questions that person who suppose to have lived and learned the teachings should know the answer to.
Christ is the one that suffered for everyone's transgressions. They are paid for whether or not one believes in Christ or not. In the original church they were asked for a show of committment by first having faith in Jesus Christ. Second the person is asked to repent and change their life by following Jesus by baptism or the symbolic act of putting off the old man and putting on a new man. Then one is eligible to receive the gift of th Holy Ghost by the laying on the hands by those who have the authority to do so. So water alone does not save but the symbolism behind the act does

The water did not save Noah and his family. It was the vessel that God provided (the ark). Water baptism does not save us, it is the vessel (Jesus Christ) that God provided that saves us.

 

[SkyWriting]

You ask, "How can there be only two churches?"

It sounds like a translation problem. I wouldn't go any further
unless you have multiple authors referring to the same topic.
That goes for any topic.

 

[fatboys]

The water did not save Noah and his family. It was the vessel that God provided (the ark). Water baptism does not save us, it is the vessel (Jesus Christ) that God provided that saves us.

The earth was baptized. The earth was saved as well as did the water save Noah by washing away the evil.

 

[mmksparbud]

The earth was baptized. The earth was saved as well as did the water save Noah by washing away the evil.

It washed way evil? The earth was baptized??? How come evil is till here? One of the first things that happened was Noah got drunk and Ham got cursed! No where does it say the earth was baptized, but an interesting metaphor---The bible says God destroyed the earth due to wickedness and violence. Baptism is death of the old and beginning of new life in Christ---one of the first things that happened on this newly baptized earth was Noah got drunk and Ham was cursed. The earth didn't exactly start to live in Christ. Not to mention there is no mention of baptism before or after the flood. The next baptism will be by fire and that remade earth will never see sin again.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

There is no mention of baptism until the New Testament John the Baptist, though the Essenes seem to have baptismal pools, which is more towards the Time of Christ anyway.

 

[Rescued One]

Seems to me this is exactly what Phoebe is purposing, she keeps posting quotes from Mormon leaders which say 'you must be obedient to God's commandments in order to be saved' with the idea that there is something unchristian about that idea.

We're not talking about ideas. We look to God's word. Obedience doesn't save. Jesus does; that is why we are told He is our Savior. There isn't anything unchristian about obedience. Telling someone that Jesus only partially saves and won't save the ungodly is unchristian.

Romans 9:16
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[withwonderingawe]

We're not talking about ideas. We look to God's word. Obedience doesn't save. Jesus does; that is why we are told He is our Savior. There isn't anything unchristian about obedience. Telling someome that Jesus only partially saves and won't save the ungodly is unchristian.

Romans 9:16
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Heb 5
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Mmmmm

You quoted it
2 Nephi 28
6 Behold, hearken ye unto my precept; if they shall say there is a miracle wrought by the hand of the Lord, believe it not; for this day he is not a God of miracles; he hath done his work…..

8 And there shall also be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God.

Shoe fits where it !

 

[Rescued One]

This is one of those questions which puzzles us Mormons because if you were Mormon and know Mormonism so well you should know the answer.

If you are Mormon and if you understand English so well you should understand the question. Are you done being rude?

Was Lehi a descendant of Manasseh or was he not? Was Nephi a descendant of Manasseh also?

2 Nephi 28
2 And the things which shall be written out of the book shall be of great worth unto the children of men, and especially unto our seed, which is a remnant of the house of Israel.

Where are the offspring of Nephi and his siblings and cousins?

 

[Rescued One]

Heb 5
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Mmmmm

You quoted it
2 Nephi 28
6 Behold, hearken ye unto my precept; if they shall say there is a miracle wrought by the hand of the Lord, believe it not; for this day he is not a God of miracles; he hath done his work…..

8 And there shall also be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God.

Shoe fits where it !

N/A Apparently you didn't read my post or didn't understand it.

 

[Rescued One]

It sounds like a translation problem. I wouldn't go any further
unless you have multiple authors referring to the same topic.
That goes for any topic.

I haven't the slightest idea of what you are trying to say.

 

[withwonderingawe]

If you are Mormon and if you understand English so well you should understand the question. Are you done being rude?

Was Lehi a descendant of Manasseh or was he not? Was Nephi a descendant of Manasseh also?

2 Nephi 28
2 And the things which shall be written out of the book shall be of great worth unto the children of men, and especially unto our seed, which is a remnant of the house of Israel.

Where are the offspring of Nephi and his siblings and cousins?

Changed subjects pretty quickly there.

Your problem is you don't read the whole word of God but only pick out a few passages which fit your dogma.

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Paul was not writing this to you personally but to the Gentile world as a whole. In Chapter 1 verse 1-10 Paul is talking about "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him". The whole human family will be gathered into one body.

Started in verse 11 speaking to brand new Gentile Christian members he explains;
11In whom also we/Jews have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we/Jews should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye/Gentiles also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The Jews were preordained to preach the Gospel to the Gentile.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us/ both Jews and Gentile
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye/Gentiles are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Why are the Gentiles save by grace?

8 For by grace are ye/Gentiles saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we/Jews are his workmanship/being preordained, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The majority of the Jews had rejected Jesus (see John 1:11) but the Gentile showed forth a great deal of faith. The Roman centurion who sent to Jesus asking for a healing on his servant said;

"Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed....
When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him,and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." Luke 7

Over and over again the Gentile are the ones who show faith in the Savior and so because of their faithfulness and so;

"For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;....
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.....Now therefore ye/Gentiles are no more strangers and foreigners,but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God"

So the door was opened for the Gentile world to have the Gospel taught to them not because they did some great work but because they showed faith even enough faith to be healed.

But we each must go though the saving process which is faith, repentance, baptism and then receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. Then if you want to receive Eternal Life Heb 5 applies;
Heb 5
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

 

[Alla27]

Does the water actually save us? Then we don't need Christ.

Obedience is important for salvation. If "to be baptized" is a commandment of Christ, then by obeying this commandment I obey Christ.
Only those who have faith and obey Christ can be saved by His blood/by grace.
If Christ didn't atone for us then baptism would NOT save us.
If Christ did not atone for me and I got baptized it would be waste of time and water.

 

[Alla27]

Obedience doesn't save. Jesus does;

I agree, obedience does not save.
But here is the good news: Jesus SAVES those who ARE OBIDIENT.
If you do not obey His commandments you are not saved in God's Kingdom, you will not have eternal life.

 

[Alla27]

If you are Mormon and if you understand English so well you should understand the question. Are you done being rude?

Was Lehi a descendant of Manasseh or was he not? Was Nephi a descendant of Manasseh also?

2 Nephi 28
2 And the things which shall be written out of the book shall be of great worth unto the children of men, and especially unto our seed, which is a remnant of the house of Israel.

Where are the offspring of Nephi and his siblings and cousins?

God knows where they are. God sends His missionaries in many places. Among those people who are taught by the missionaries there are descendants of Lehi.

 

[Alla27]

Tell you what, show us the verse that says, "He who is not baptized shall be damned." You can't claim that the Bible says something that it clearly does NOT say.

".. even baptism doth also now save us.."
1 Pet 3: 21

Wow, baptism SAVES us. to be saved is opposite of being damned.

 

[withwonderingawe]

If you are Mormon and if you understand English so well you should understand the question. Are you done being rude?

Was Lehi a descendant of Manasseh or was he not? Was Nephi a descendant of Manasseh also?

2 Nephi 28
2 And the things which shall be written out of the book shall be of great worth unto the children of men, and especially unto our seed, which is a remnant of the house of Israel.

Where are the offspring of Nephi and his siblings and cousins?

Gen 48
17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father’s hand, to remove it from Ephraim’s head unto Manasseh’s head.
18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

More than likely Lehi thought he was a Levite, all through the story he is preforming sacrifices and later they build a temple and live the Law of Moses. Once Nephi obtains the Brass Plates Lehi seems surprised to learn he's a descendant of Joseph through Manasseh. He was probably like the group of Levites who returned from captivity in Nehemiah 7 and Ezra 2. They knew they were Levites but could not prove it because their records were missing, ah the plates of Brass.

Neh 7
63 And of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai, which took one of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite to wife, and was called after their name.
64 These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but it was not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.

Gilead was a descendant of Manasseh and one of his descendants was "Zelophehad the son of Hepher had no sons, but daughters: and the names of the daughters of Zelophehad were Mahlah, and Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah", Num 2.

If one were to marry one of these daughter's descendants their family geology would be added to Manasseh's so if a Levite married into this line his records would be kept on Manasseh's records even though he was still considered able to hold the priesthood.

Part of Joseph's blessing in Gen 49 states "Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall" The word translated bough is "ben" which means son and the word branch or bath in the Hebrew means daughter, I don't know why they translated it that way. It should read "Joseph is a fruitful son, even a fruitful son by a well; whose daughters run over the wall/broader"

According to Strong's the wall was the boarders of Palestine "More correctly … is placed where Suez now stands. The desert extending from the borders of Palestine to Shur" The Suez canal connects the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea. Joseph's daughters would go over that wall.

One of the trips back to Jerusalem which Lehi's sons made was to fetch themselves some wives the daughter's of Ishmael who was a descent of Ephraim. So here we have Lehi a descent of Manasseh through the daughters of Zelophhad but also a Levitie and Ishmael's a descant of Ephraim daughters marrying the sons of Lehi bring the two tribes together as they travel over that wall. They traveled down the Red Sea and beyond.

As to where their seed is now, well I'm one of them!